Cardinals (Matz) vs Brewers (Civale): 9/3/24, 6:40pm

[edfunderburk]

This loss is on Murphy 

Why give up an out in a tie game in the 10th inning?

[adambr2]

Just now, edfunderburk said:

This loss is on Murphy 

Why give up an out in a tie game in the 10th inning?

I hate the sac bunt. It was a terrible decision. 

[RobertCrawley]

Just now, kevinisaname said:

I'd trust Hoby more with inherited runners than Elvis. Or DL if he was available. Oh well, tough loss. Get ;em back tomorrow.

Depends on how well Hoby recovered from his "injury." He was getting hit before his IL.

[treego14]

Revenge tomorrow!

[BCF]

Elvis gave up one hit with EV of 68. The walks and wild pitch/theowing error killed him 

[willie key]

1 minute ago, edfunderburk said:

This loss is on Murphy 

Why give up an out in a tie game in the 10th inning?

How about a hitter doing his job and getting the guy home for god sakes

[RobertCrawley]

Just now, BCF said:

Elvis gave up one hit with EV of 68. The walks and wild pitch/theowing error killed him 

He's got good stuff, but good stuff is bad stuff without control.

[brewfanmn]

4 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Hudson Hall for two. Even Hoby. We know Peguero can't pitch with men on base.

Peguero has a higher K%, lower BB%, higher GB%, lower HR/9, and higher soft contact% with men on base than with bases empty this year. 

[Simba2020]

6 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

It's going to be hard seeing Rhys Hoskins for 162 more games next year. 

Agreed. I don't care much for hitters that just can't hit and he's never even hit .250 in a full season. He doesn't draw walks anymore either which at least made his OBP tolerable in the past. And he can't run. And he can't field. The whole package.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

4 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Right now this offense feels like Adames Chourio and pray for rain.

Yep!

[willie key]

We better not lose back to back series to these guys.   

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, willie key said:

How about a hitter doing his job and getting the guy home for god sakes

Easier to do when you get 3 outs in an inning instead of 2.

[kevinisaname]

Just now, brewfanmn said:

Peguero has a higher K%, lower BB%, higher GB%, lower HR/9, and higher soft contact% with men on base than with bases empty this year. 

That's all well and good, but the man cannot strand inherited runners. I don't know what his stats are on that now, but it feels like every time he's in he allows the runner(s) to score.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Tough one tonight.

The way I look at it is that we're a significant underdog for the bye no matter how you slice it. Philly is better roster wise and has an easier schedule, plus the inside track on the tiebreaker should that come into play. Our hopes for that really come down to sweeping the Phils. Two of three that series just probably isn't going to be enough, especially when that series comes right after a west coast trip. We actually go @Giants, @DBacks, home Phils, home DBacks, which is just a murderous stretch. During that same run, Philly has home Rays, home Mets, @Brewers, @Mets. That's tough, but not quite as bad, I don't think. They also close with the Nats, while we'll get the likely to be scrapping for their lives Mets.

Point is: I want to wrap the division and then be as fresh as we can. Would love to see the Mets and Braves having to gut everything to win that last WC. I'm not giving up on the bye, but we're probably 2.5 to 1 underdogs for that no matter how you slice it. Foot on the gas for now. Champagne is coming.

[RobertCrawley]

3 minutes ago, brewfanmn said:

Peguero has a higher K%, lower BB%, higher GB%, lower HR/9, and higher soft contact% with men on base than with bases empty this year. 

That's all well and good, but he loses games for us.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

2 minutes ago, Simba2020 said:

Agreed. I don't care much for hitters that just can't hit and he's never even hit .250 in a full season. He doesn't draw walks anymore either which at least made his OBP tolerable in the past. And he can't run. And he can't field. The whole package.

Seems like a good guy, but, yeah, he's been a disappointment for sure. 

[Bulldogboy]

8 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Hudson was sent down.

He should not have been is my point. Peguero is not better than him.

[willie key]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Easier to do when you get 3 outs in an inning instead of 2.

They did have three outs.    They literally didn’t need a hit to score that inning

[Bulldogboy]

5 minutes ago, kevinisaname said:

That's all well and good, but the man cannot strand inherited runners. I don't know what his stats are on that now, but it feels like every time he's in he allows the runner(s) to score.

I knew someone would find some stats to try to say he's actually Mariano Rivera with guys on base.

[brewfanmn]

7 minutes ago, kevinisaname said:

That's all well and good, but the man cannot strand inherited runners. I don't know what his stats are on that now, but it feels like every time he's in he allows the runner(s) to score.

If I wanted a pitcher to strand runners, I'd want them to strike more guys out, walk fewer, and get more weak contact. If they accomplished that and it didn't work, I probably wouldn't blame the pitcher.

[Brian]

Brewers playing for a BYE and PHIL is now 1 1/2 ahead of us for the BYE. 

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, willie key said:

They did have three outs.    They literally didn’t need a hit to score that inning

They had 2 outs because they willingly chose to give one of the 3 outs away, which is known to usually be a bad idea. 

[adambr2]

7 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

Tough one tonight.

The way I look at it is that we're a significant underdog for the bye no matter how you slice it. Philly is better roster wise and has an easier schedule, plus the inside track on the tiebreaker should that come into play. Our hopes for that really come down to sweeping the Phils. Two of three that series just probably isn't going to be enough, especially when that series comes right after a west coast trip. We actually go @Giants, @DBacks, home Phils, home DBacks, which is just a murderous stretch. During that same run, Philly has home Rays, home Mets, @Brewers, @Mets. That's tough, but not quite as bad, I don't think. They also close with the Nats, while we'll get the likely to be scrapping for their lives Mets.

Point is: I want to wrap the division and then be as fresh as we can. Would love to see the Mets and Braves having to gut everything to win that last WC. I'm not giving up on the bye, but we're probably 2.5 to 1 underdogs for that no matter how you slice it. Foot on the gas for now. Champagne is coming.

The bye being out there is kind of a double edged sword right now. I don't think we're going to get it, but we're close enough where we kind of have to keep trying. Which is a little problematic because we're worn down and tired and it would be better to focus on just getting healthy and rested this month. 

I hate the new 6 team playoff. I can't shake the worry that our season will end quickly in October just like the last one. 

[wiguy94]

7 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

He should not have been is my point. Peguero is not better than him.

Hudson wouldn't have been available to pitch either way tonight. Win the game before you need to use your 6th RP of the 7 available RP.

[RobertCrawley]

7 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

He should not have been is my point. Peguero is not better than him.

His velo is down. They are getting him rest and a tune up for the final stretch and playoffs.