Cardinals (Gray) vs Brewers (Rea): 9/4/24, 6:40pm

[brewfanmn]

17 minutes ago, shanedog19 said:

It sure seems like this team’s downfall will be its offense by year’s end like many of our teams in recent years.

Going into tonight, the Brewers have been a top-5 run scoring team over the last week, two weeks, month, and for the season.

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, brewfanmn said:

Going into tonight, the Brewers have been a top-5 run scoring team over the last week, two weeks, month, and for the season.

And yet that's going to mean next to nothing in the playoffs when we actually have to score against a Justin Verlander type starter.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

Disappointing that the Brewers have lost several series to mediocre/inferior teams. Yet the Cardinals have been playing better against the stronger teams as of late.

[HarveysWBs]

3 minutes ago, brewfanmn said:

Going into tonight, the Brewers have been a top-5 run scoring team over the last week, two weeks, month, and for the season.

This is true, but recent history being what it is, it’s going to take more than a few games pounding on weak bullpens and position-players pitching to convince people around here that this is a fundamentally better offense than the one that flamed out of the last few postseason appearances.

[Austin Tatious]

Batting order matters and tonight’s order was madness.  It may have cost them the game and I love Murphy.  

Pity because it overshadowed how lights out DL Hall was.   Between Hall and Ashby that has the potential to be a major infusion of juice to the staff.  

Would love to see Yoho come up for Peguero.  Hudson hopefully gets a quick tweak and comes back for Milner.  

[HarveysWBs]

2 minutes ago, Austin Tatious said:

Batting order matters and tonight’s order was madness.  It may have cost them the game and I love Murphy.  

Pity because it overshadowed how lights out DL Hall.  Between Hall and Ashby that has the potential to be a major infusion of juice to the staff.  

Would love to see Yoho come up for Peguero.  Hudson hopefully gets a quick tweak and comes back for Milner.  

Yeah, and I believe it’s still possible to get Yoho on board for the postseason if they wanted to get nuts. They can petition the league office to allow it as an injury swap, if I understand it correctly.

But I don’t expect them to try it.

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Good managers do there work before the game starts. Murphy lineup decisions are killing this team every night.

No one had hits tonight except Turang, Chourio, Hass, and Mitchell.  Unless your talking about the Hoskins wiff in the 10th.  Our biggest weakness is first base I think, neither Hoskins or Bauers can hit.  Submit your lineup to us please. I would love to see what changes you think should be made. 

[wiguy94]

27 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Is anyone really going to be all that surprised if we get swept in the WC round again this year?

Not really. I feel like on paper we won't be the favorites over the Braves in the NLWC series especially if Riley and Albies are back by then.

Just look at the potential pitching matchups.

Peralta vs Sale (2024 NL Cy Young)

Montas vs Lopez (2024 NL ERA King)

Rea/Civale/Myers/bullpen game vs Fried (multi time Cy Young vote receiver) 

[wiguy94]

Murphy pulling Payamps after 4 pitches because he "didn't have the juice" is hilarious. 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

27 minutes ago, willie key said:

Milner and Elvis.   Why are we going back to that early season crap

 

 

As for Milner, it's because Hudson isn't here right now & with the heavy BP usage they need 3 LHP in the pen (I know Hall is a fourth, but the way I suspect he's going to be used he often won't be a late-inning option). Peguero hasn't been good at all, no arguments there.

Milner faced a dead pull hitter, kept the ball away & gave up a ground ball that snuck through the non-pull side of the SS. I know he's had a subpar year, but where did you think Milner fell short tonight regarding pitch selection & location?

[Marc Newfield of Dreams]

Apparently Payamps was all tuckered out after those four pitches...

 

 

[Brian]

6 minutes ago, Recovering Chicagoan said:

Disappointing that the Brewers have lost several series to mediocre/inferior teams. Yet the Cardinals have been playing better against the stronger teams as of late.

Yes, it does seem the Brewers compete to the level of the team there playing against. Crappy team and they play like crap also. etc.

[yourout]

7 minutes ago, Brian said:

No one had hits tonight except Turang, Chourio, Hass, and Mitchell.  Unless your talking about the Hoskins wiff in the 10th.  Our biggest weakness is first base I think, neither Hoskins or Bauers can hit.  Submit your lineup to us please. I would love to see what changes you think should be made. 

Can Hass play first at all? 

I mean he couldn't be any worse than what we've been getting.

[treego14]

23 minutes ago, Brian said:

Hoskins didn't even play tonight except for his pinch hit wiff in the 10th. 

He has Bauers/Hoskins hitting behind Chourio more than once in this past week which is silly.

[yourout]

6 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

As for Milner, it's because Hudson isn't here right now & with the heavy BP usage they need 3 LHP in the pen (I know Hall is a fourth, but the way I suspect he's going to be used he often won't be a late-inning option). Peguero hasn't been good at all, no arguments there.

Milner faced a dead pull hitter, kept the ball away & gave up a ground ball that snuck through the non-pull side of the SS. I know he's had a subpar year, but where did you think Milner fell short tonight regarding pitch selection & location?

The difference is he really struggles to get balls passed a hitter compared to Pyamps and with a runner at second I'll take the guy that is more able to strike out guys and not risk a dribbler through the middle.

[treego14]

7 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

As for Milner, it's because Hudson isn't here right now & with the heavy BP usage they need 3 LHP in the pen (I know Hall is a fourth, but the way I suspect he's going to be used he often won't be a late-inning option). Peguero hasn't been good at all, no arguments there.

Milner faced a dead pull hitter, kept the ball away & gave up a ground ball that snuck through the non-pull side of the SS. I know he's had a subpar year, but where did you think Milner fell short tonight regarding pitch selection & location?

Milner falls short in general nearly always because he has no velocity to speak of and has been very hittable all season.

[folly412]

1 minute ago, yourout said:

Can Hass play first at all? 

I mean he couldn't be any worse than what we've been getting.

No, but he does have enough experience in left.   Considering the ABs we're getting from OFs not named Chourio, it might offset the downgrade in defense to put him out there.

[brewfanmn]

20 minutes ago, yourout said:

And yet that's going to mean next to nothing in the playoffs when we actually have to score against a Justin Verlander type starter.

Based on what exactly? They're a top-5 offense for the season, and have scored 4.8 runs per game vs. above-.500 teams, and 5.0 runs per game vs. below-.500 teams. As a team they've played at a 92-win pace vs. above-.500 teams.

[Bulldogboy]

11 minutes ago, Brian said:

No one had hits tonight except Turang, Chourio, Hass, and Mitchell.  Unless your talking about the Hoskins wiff in the 10th.  Our biggest weakness is first base I think, neither Hoskins or Bauers can hit.  Submit your lineup to us please. I would love to see what changes you think should be made. 

Haase is a better hitter than Jake Bauers. There is no lineup where Haase hitting 9th and Bauers third makes sense if you want to score runs. This continues to happen every night. This is a simple example 

[Brian]

4 minutes ago, yourout said:

Can Hass play first at all? 

I mean he couldn't be any worse than what we've been getting.

He did play 1st base one game with Detroit. That one time in the MLB is all I seen. 

[treego14]

28 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

That was Bauers tonight (0.195).

Bauers/Hoskins have been batting behind Chourio lately ... complete madness.

[brewfanmn]

10 minutes ago, Brian said:

Yes, it does seem the Brewers compete to the level of the team there playing against. Crappy team and they play like crap also. etc.

Lol in the span of 10 minutes in this thread, there are people suggesting that a team with a top-3 record and run differential in MLB both can't beat good teams, and also plays down to the level of bad teams.

I will never understand people tying themselves in knots just to be pessimistic. If you're going to distort reality, at least do it to be optimistic

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 minute ago, treego14 said:

Milner falls short in general nearly always because he has no velocity to speak of and has been very hittable all season.

Like I said, he hasn't been good this year. But his velocity is pretty much the same as previous years, when he's been mostly very good. Velo doesn't have much to do with whether he's effective or not.

Like I said, I think he worked Baker textbook, re what to throw & where to put it. If Baker pulls it on the ground to Adames--and he's largely a pull hitter--he's suddenly not a bum. And he also located well to get the K in the following AB, although understandably most weren't paying as close attention at that point. Whether that continues I don't know, but IMO he deserved a better fate tonite.

 

[Bulldogboy]

This team next season without Adames in the lineup could be in line for a collapse unless Chourio is going to make a run at mvp.

[adambr2]

Bauers hitting 3rd is indefensible. No matter how much we can all disagree about everything else, I think we can all agree with that. 

He's not good and he never was. It's not like he's just a good player having a bad year. He's more of a DFA candidate than a 3 hole hitter.