Tyler O’Neill to Baltimore

[markedman5]

 

[TURBO]

This is a bit surprising to me.  

BAL is as tight as they come, and full of young talent offensively.  I would have expected them to spend on starting pitching if they were going to spend money.

[sveumrules]

14 minutes ago, TURBO said:

BAL is as tight as they come

Angelos sold the team last year.

New owners traded for Burnes and bumped OD payroll by $32M in their first season so they’ve shown some signs of being a bit more aggressive.

[Scooterfletcher]

Solid move .   Now to figure out a Coby Mayo deal for the brewers…

[jay87shot]

Probably a cheaper replacement for Santander. I think that is a an overpay but for a 40 potential hr guy not crazy. They also just gave Gary Sanchez 8.5 for 1 year which seems like a lot as well. My guess is that they will add at least 1 if not 2 solid starter and some relief help.

[Devinep]

After getting O’Neil and Sanchez, I wonder if Baltimore would be open to trading Ryan Mountcastle to Milwaukee to improve 1B and DH Hoskins 

[BrewerFan]

18 minutes ago, Devinep said:

After getting O’Neil and Sanchez, I wonder if Baltimore would be open to trading Ryan Mountcastle to Milwaukee to improve 1B and DH Hoskins 

What for?

Devin Williams as a hedge against Bautista? Give them another HL reliever? He should be back and healthy for next year, but it's a walk year for Williams. He may be willing to be a lights out SU man on a contender for a year. 

The two systems don't really match up as neither has MLB ready arms save for Misiorowski, so it'd be a tough sell to get, but Mayo may be the guy who replaces Mountcastle. 

[Devinep]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

What for?

Devin Williams as a hedge against Bautista? Give them another HL reliever? He should be back and healthy for next year, but it's a walk year for Williams. He may be willing to be a lights out SU man on a contender for a year. 

The two systems don't really match up as neither has MLB ready arms save for Misiorowski, so it'd be a tough sell to get, but Mayo may be the guy who replaces Mountcastle. 

With so many prospects graduating recently, Baltimore’s top farm system is no longer that. So Mountcastle for prospects may be appealing for that reason. Plus it would create an opening for Mayo and save a bit of $ to go after a starting pitcher in the Manea/Flaherty level. 
 

or maybe a simple cheap acquisition of Ryan O’Hearn if they can’t get what they want for Mountcastle

[BrewerFan]

On 12/8/2024 at 7:44 AM, Devinep said:

With so many prospects graduating recently, Baltimore’s top farm system is no longer that. So Mountcastle for prospects may be appealing for that reason. Plus it would create an opening for Mayo and save a bit of $ to go after a starting pitcher in the Manea/Flaherty level. 
 

or maybe a simple cheap acquisition of Ryan O’Hearn if they can’t get what they want for Mountcastle

Yeah, I guess that's true, but so many of their players are guys who just not eligible for prospect status, but still have 6 years there...like Holliday, Kjestad, Cowser, Westburg...

I have to say, if they need to use Mountcastle to free up money...as a fan, I'd be so disappointed. That may be the route they go, it has been for a long time, but these new owners should really be willing to spend. 

I'd be looking at the next 3-4 years as a legitimate shot at winning a WS. Re-sign Burnes, look to trade for another arm maybe, 

C: Adley Rutschman

1B: Ryan Mountcastle, Ryan O'Hearn/Mayo

2B: Jackson Holliday

SS: Gunnar Henderson

3B: Jordan Westburg/Mayo

OF: Cedric Mullins, O'Neill, Colton Cowser

DH: Heston Kjerstad, O'Hearn

That is a stacked lineup. I think Holliday breaks out this year. 

 

How are they letting Burnes walk without a fight? They'll have a cheaper payroll that the Brewers. You've got the chance to win 2-3 WS. Perhaps they'll come out and announce big extensions for Holliday, Adley, Gunnar, but I suspect all of those will be more difficult now with the size of these contracts for a guy in his mid 20s. I feel like 10/500 is the new 10/300 for a superstar like Gunnar...so might as well just go for it now!

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, I guess that's true, but so many of their players are guys who just not eligible for prospect status, but still have 6 years there...like Holliday, Kjestad, Cowser, Westburg...

I have to say, if they need to use Mountcastle to free up money...as a fan, I'd be so disappointed. That may be the route they go, it has been for a long time, but these new owners should really be willing to spend. 

I'd be looking at the next 3-4 years as a legitimate shot at winning a WS. Re-sign Burnes, look to trade for another arm maybe, 

C: Adley Rutschman

1B: Ryan Mountcastle, Ryan O'Hearn/Mayo

2B: Jackson Holliday

SS: Gunnar Henderson

3B: Jordan Westburg/Mayo

OF: Cedric Mullins, O'Neill, Colton Cowser

DH: Heston Kjerstad, O'Hearn

That is a stacked lineup. I think Holliday breaks out this year. 

 

How are they letting Burnes walk without a fight? They'll have a cheaper payroll that the Brewers. You've got the chance to win 2-3 WS. Perhaps they'll come out and announce big extensions for Holliday, Adley, Gunnar, but I suspect all of those will be more difficult now with the size of these contracts for a guy in his mid 20s. I feel like 10/500 is the new 10/300 for a superstar like Gunnar...so might as well just go for it now!

Your general point is a good one. If you are the O's, aren't you thinking, "We don't need Soto, we should simply resign Santander and Burnes."

That would be a perfectly excellent offseason. I suppose they may be looking at big numbers for their superstars in upcoming seasons, and they don't want to tie up payroll in Burnes.

[tmwiese55]

5 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

Your general point is a good one. If you are the O's, aren't you thinking, "We don't need Soto, we should simply resign Santander and Burnes."

That would be a perfectly excellent offseason. I suppose they may be looking at big numbers for their superstars in upcoming seasons, and they don't want to tie up payroll in Burnes.

Fair.  But could probably argue now is the time to spend on someone like Burnes and/or another SP (assuming 6-7 years at most) due to all those guys still being so cheap on their rookie deals.   The Catcher and SS are coming due in the next 3-4 years, but you have this window while they're all cheap.    You're not wrong in that assume a 6-7 year deal for Burnes there will be a couple years of overlap with him and C/SS new contracts, but it should be minimal and perhaps you can structure Burnes as front heavy now and have it go down later. 

I would probably look at this as a reason to hold off on Santander though, age 30. Your offense should be plenty good with all those young guys so don't need to force having 25 mil tied up in a 35 year old guy falling apart at the time you need that money for others. So O'neil makes a lot of sense as an alternate due to only 3 years. 

[Playing Catch]

18 hours ago, tmwiese55 said:

Fair.  But could probably argue now is the time to spend on someone like Burnes and/or another SP (assuming 6-7 years at most) due to all those guys still being so cheap on their rookie deals.   The Catcher and SS are coming due in the next 3-4 years, but you have this window while they're all cheap.    You're not wrong in that assume a 6-7 year deal for Burnes there will be a couple years of overlap with him and C/SS new contracts, but it should be minimal and perhaps you can structure Burnes as front heavy now and have it go down later. 

I would probably look at this as a reason to hold off on Santander though, age 30. Your offense should be plenty good with all those young guys so don't need to force having 25 mil tied up in a 35 year old guy falling apart at the time you need that money for others. So O'neil makes a lot of sense as an alternate due to only 3 years. 

Yeah, I don't disagree. I was merely trying to logic a reason why the Orioles perhaps wouldn't spend more now. I'm loathe to jump to the cheap owners being cheap rationale.

[TURBO]

Dodgers continue to spend, spend, spend...

[BrewerFan]

16 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

Yeah, I don't disagree. I was merely trying to logic a reason why the Orioles perhaps wouldn't spend more now. I'm loathe to jump to the cheap owners being cheap rationale.

They have new owners, so if they're going to keep Gunnnar, Adley, Jackson Holliday, they have a BIG window and then fine. I don't know if they will though.

Also...how does Max Fried get 218M? I guess maybe Burnes is just gonna get that much money. The 7/200 projections(that were always low) must be closer to Cole type numbers now. 

A year younger, pretty similar, but Burnes has been healthier and he's a little more dominant when both are on.