Orioles at Brewers; Wednesday, May 21 @ 12:10 p.m.: Chad Patrick (3.35 ERA, 3.66 FIP) vs. Tomoyuki Sugano (3.08 ERA, 4.85 FIP)

[SomewhereInTime]

2 hours ago, Brian said:

Also, Tyler Alexander has pitched 7 of the past 10 games. not only is that stupid it also could ruin Alexander's career.  Murphy is by far the worst active game manager in baseball today. 

While I agree to an extent, there's at least 20 other fanbases that will also say their manager is the worst in the league at managing a pitching staff.

[Brian]

All my opinions, Yelich the should be facing only playing in about 50% of the games right now. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

I think it's super easy to jettison a guy like Payamps. Even if he turns it around he's a sure thing non-tender candidate in the offseason considering he'd be set to make like $5M in Arb 3 which the Brewers will never pay for a middle reliever. DFA'ing him is risking losing 4 months of a solid relief pitcher albeit one that can't be option and that Murphy currently doesn't trust to pitch leverage spots unless all the leverage arms are unavailable. DFA him and bring up someone who can shuttle so we always have fresh middle relief arms if Murphy isn't going to trust them.

I was thinking more along the lines of him bringing at least a lottery ticket from someone later in the summer, provided he stayed on the same track as his last month or so. But his last few times out are putting a damper on that. In that event yeah, a DFA is certainly in the cards.

[wiguy94]

8 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I was thinking more along the lines of him bringing at least a lottery ticket from someone later in the summer, provided he stayed on the same track as his last month or so. But his last few times out are putting a damper on that. In that event yeah, a DFA is certainly in the cards.

I mean there's still a chance you can get a lottery ticket in a waiver trade after DFA'ing him.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Zamora?  Black once he's had a few more ABs (knowing hes already on the 40 man)??  Even pushing Wilken - there are other bats worth giving a look to fill positions that are currently an offensive black hole in Milwaukee if the poor production persists at 3rd and SS.

 

Not saying there's an obvious offensive savior who the Brewers have been holding back in the minors - but to me that means there should be less concern on the brewers' point of view on when a player they add to the 40 man would become a free agent 6-7 seasons later.

I mentioned Zamora a week or so ago. Apparently he has no extra-base pop, which wouldn't deter me as long as he put up #s even remotely similar to what he's doing AFA avg & OBP are concerned. But it looks like the FO has little to no confidence those numbers would translate. He makes contact. If he continues to reach base I personally wouldn't dismiss him but it seems unlikely.

I think the Black-3B ship has long since left the harbor. And they're going slowly with Wilken, which I think is smart given his career path to this point.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I mean there's still a chance you can get a lottery ticket in a waiver trade after DFA'ing him.

That's a seven day window, correct?

[edfunderburk]

3 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

3 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

 

I don’t see your post or mine … is that intentional or an accident. 

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

That's a seven day window, correct?

That or 5. Can't remember.

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

Murphy has no clue

This beautifully summarizes my view of our manager 

[edfunderburk]

2 hours ago, Brian said:

Murphy is just a plain old block head

Again, beautifully written critique of our manager 

[edfunderburk]

2 hours ago, karl said:

Cubs demoted Swanson to 8th in the order, lots of pride there as well, yet CC did what a manager is supposed to do, and Swanson has been raking ever since

 

I’m sure what I’m about to write will be unpopular in this forum, but I believe Murphy is a great interview & cheerleader while Coun$ell is the better game manager. I don’t believe it is close in either category. I prefer our former leader by light years even though I hate “how” he left the team & “where” he landed. 

[adambr2]

3 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

 

As for the hitters, Murphy has a load of crap to work with including 3 regulars hitting under .200 after 50+ games. He’s a manager not a magician

Just days ago, in defense of the managerial staff, I brought up the point that the lineup couldn't hit its way out of a wet paper bag and that Arnold didn't do a good enough job assembling this roster. At that time you said it's basically the exact same roster that won 90+ games last year. 

[endaround]

15 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Just days ago, in defense of the managerial staff, I brought up the point that the lineup couldn't hit its way out of a wet paper bag and that Arnold didn't do a good enough job assembling this roster. At that time you said it's basically the exact same roster that won 90+ games last year. 

Yes but that day he was arguing with you. Today he is arguing with someone else so he needs to say something different to start an argument.

[brewmann04]

Yelich and Ortiz are almost 2 automatic outs 

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

While I agree to an extent, there's at least 20 other fanbases that will also say their manager is the worst in the league at managing a pitching staff.

Probably a low estimate.

People complained about CC incessantly regarding the same thing. And Ken Macha. And Ned Yost.

So very much of this would be drastically improved if our starters could average just a couple more outs per game. I say "just", but that would put us in the top 5 or 6 in starters' IP, and right now I believe we're around 25th. It's that important.

[SomewhereInTime]

2 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Probably a low estimate.

People complained about CC incessantly regarding the same thing. And Ken Macha. And Ned Yost.

So very much of this would be drastically improved if our starters could average just a couple more outs per game. I say "just", but that would put us in the top 5 or 6 in starters' IP, and right now I believe we're around 25th. It's that important.

Either that or having a multi inning setup man or two.  Like how they used Hudson and Koenig last year.  The one inning reliever strategy was great for the 2011 Brewers who had four qualifiers, three guys over 200 innings, and a 5th starter who threw 161.2 innings.  Four starters averaged over 6 innings per start.  You can't use that bullpen strategy in 2025 when not a single starter will come close to 200 innings or 6 innings per start.

[Jopal78]

10 hours ago, endaround said:

Yes but that day he was arguing with you. Today he is arguing with someone else so he needs to say something different to start an argument.

Haha nice try. It is the same team that won 90 games minus Wily Adames. The point is those players are playing like crap now. What is Murphy supposed to do? Pull the plug on their 26 million dollar man, for Isaac Collins? Bench a key piece from the Burnes trade for Monasterio? 
 

I don’t know what is so hard to understand. The talent level is the same players who won 90+ games yet but for a handful of players they have all played poorly. 

[jay87shot]

It was nice to see Durbin have a really solid game (I missed a few innings so hopefully that is accurate). I think the main mistake yesterday was that Grant Anderson only threw 4 pitches, if he goes back for the 7th then it Mears 8th and Megill 9th. There would be no stretching Mears for a 2nd inning and bring Payamps in the middle of the order. It would also make Payamps available in extras, Pitching McGee a second inning with Alexander being so overworked probably would have been a good idea. My guess is that Alexander gets either like 3 days off or has a phantom IL stretch.

I will give Murph a little pass on the position players not hitting well, I do agree he needs to move Yeli down the order to make a point. I haven't had to many issue with the bullpen management, yesterday wasn't good. 

[Jopal78]

14 hours ago, Brian said:

My point is... If Alexander is a stiff why does he pitch him 7 of the past 10 games. Murphy is just a plain old block head. 

 

14 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

So what about him riding Abner Uribe like he's rubber armed Hoby Milner? Since Uribe was activated from his suspension he's 1st in G and 13th in IP among relievers. Yesterday he had Uribe throw for the 3rd day in a row despite throwing 35 pitches the previous two days.

His SP typically has been good for about 90 pitches in his young career. Yesterday that got him through 4 2/3 innings. I’m sure Murphy didn’t plan to use Alexander yesterday but after covering 4 1/3 with the bullpen the game went to extras and he had no choice. Alexander’s role at the moment is to eat innings early in the game and when they are behind. Two things that have been happening more often now, so his appearances have spiked. 
 

Conversely, Uribe might be Murphy’s only relief ace and pitches almost exclusively late in games they are winning. Sure he pitched 3 days in a row  (all games they won) but before that he had three days off.

It seems like Murphy is working right out of the Manager 101 textbook .

[Jim French Stepstool]

9 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Either that or having a multi inning setup man or two.  Like how they used Hudson and Koenig last year.  The one inning reliever strategy was great for the 2011 Brewers who had four qualifiers, three guys over 200 innings, and a 5th starter who threw 161.2 innings.  Four starters averaged over 6 innings per start.  You can't use that bullpen strategy in 2025 when not a single starter will come close to 200 innings or 6 innings per start.

I like the BP guys that can go a couple innings or more but it seems like they're becoming scarcer, the exception being 5th inning or earlier if you're trailing. I know the Brewers seem to make a big deal about preventing a reliever from pitching, then sitting & pitching again. It seemed to make a big difference with Mears yesterday.

But yeah, having at least one guy with a Seth McClung-type workload wouldn't be a bad thing. Closest to that is Anderson I suppose.

[SomewhereInTime]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I like the BP guys that can go a couple innings or more but it seems like they're becoming scarcer, the exception being 5th inning or earlier if you're trailing. I know the Brewers seem to make a big deal about preventing a reliever from pitching, then sitting & pitching again. It seemed to make a big difference with Mears yesterday.

But yeah, having at least one guy with a Seth McClung-type workload wouldn't be a bad thing. Closest to that is Anderson I suppose.

Well if everyone gets healthy they're about to have more starters than they need.  Chad Patrick could be someone who does this, maybe DL Hall.  Could even get a call up of jacob misiorowski.  Remember how Corbin Burnes and Brandon Woodruff were used in 2018.