Phillies at Brewers; Thursday, September 4 @ 3:10 p.m.: Freddy Peralta (2.58 ERA, 3.60 FIP) vs. Ranger Suárez (3.02 ERA, 3.04 FIP)

[Brian]

59 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Well again as I have said I would love for Sal to be able to take a day off. I would love for Contreras to have a day off. The problem is they have a bench of Jansen Perkins Siegler and Bauers. That's not my fault. It's not even Murphy fault. The Phillies picked up Bader and they now have Casellons on the bench. He played the other day and had two hits. You can build a bench if you want. Brewers choose not to so guys have to play nicked up until we clinch imo.

That's on Mark Attanasio then. But we are ok. Look for yourself.   https://www.mlb.com/standings/wild-card# 

[Jim French Stepstool]

32 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

My guess is this is currently the worst 4 man bench in baseball and it isn't close.

If you reach full strength health-wise----which is what they're trying to do----come playoff time either Hoskins or Vaughn will be on the bench. Perkins, an elite defender, will be on the bench. Monasterio, who is now hitting almost .300, will be on the bench. Jansen, who despite your hating on him because he's done nothing since coming here but has 11 HRs on the year, will be on the bench. Luis Urias, who had modest numbers at Oakland but has a season OBP of .315-----the MLB average is .316-------is at Nashville & may quite possibly be on the bench. Yelich may very well not see LF for the remainder of the year, but if he does either Collins or Frelick is on the bench.

For all the wailing (from some) about the trade deadline, contenders have picked up pieces since then that have been put on waivers. Due to our W-L record, other teams have gotten first crack at these people, while we've had to sit at the back of the line. 

Again, I'd be happy to give my opinion as to who we should've traded for, provided I know what it would've taken.

[Brian]

47 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Did anyone else find it a bit silly that Murphy refused to say which reliever is going on the IL tomorrow? 

Do you need to tell his family first, or are you waiting to make the big reveal on the Pat McAfee show? Good grief, man.

Is a new one on here? https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-injuries-and-roster-moves

[SomewhereInTime]

1 hour ago, Samurai Bucky said:

I don't know if I would go that far.  However, I would be very disappointed if they don't get a first-round bye.

I think about Barry Alvarez's Wisconsin Badger football teams.  The goal was to win the Rose Bowl.  There was never any talk about winning a national championship.  I get taking care of business within the conference.  I would like to see some more banter about getting a first round bye vs. only winning the division.  Get a first round bye, and the division comes along for the ride.

Sure but the first actual national championship game was played in 1999.  Before that, the best thing they could actually win on the field was the Rose Bowl.

[SomewhereInTime]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

My guess is this is currently the worst 4 man bench in baseball and it isn't close.

Then that would be one of the worst guesses I've ever read in my life.  Take a look around the league and tell me which teams have a bench full of great power hitters and guys batting .300.

[SomewhereInTime]

2 hours ago, willie key said:

Yeah.   We are in playoffs.    But you have to get a bye or regular season is a failure

What if they win the WC series?  Then they would be in the same spot as they would if they got a bye.  Either way they have to win the NLDS and NLCS to get to the WS.  There is no way around that no matter how these last 21 games go.  Every team's chances of winning a postseason series against any other team is going to be close to 50%.

[treego14]

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[SomewhereInTime]

3 hours ago, Brian said:

We could lose 10 of our remaining 21 games after todays loss and still be a wild card and I doubt we do that. 

If they lost all 21 remaining games they would still be a wild card.

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

If they lost all 21 remaining games they would still be a wild card.

Brewers would be 86-76 not sure if that would cut it.  All depends on how the WC teams finish. 

[Bulldogboy]

50 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Then that would be one of the worst guesses I've ever read in my life.  Take a look around the league and tell me which teams have a bench full of great power hitters and guys batting .300.

Name one by war that is worse. I dare you. Nobody said a bench full of anything. You cannot have a single player with a positive war? 

[Bulldogboy]

39 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

What if they win the WC series?  Then they would be in the same spot as they would if they got a bye.  Either way they have to win the NLDS and NLCS to get to the WS.  There is no way around that no matter how these last 21 games go.  Every team's chances of winning a postseason series against any other team is going to be close to 50%.

As we can see now they need the bye for health. If they have to play they are dunzo 

[Bulldogboy]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

If you reach full strength health-wise----which is what they're trying to do----come playoff time either Hoskins or Vaughn will be on the bench. Perkins, an elite defender, will be on the bench. Monasterio, who is now hitting almost .300, will be on the bench. Jansen, who despite your hating on him because he's done nothing since coming here but has 11 HRs on the year, will be on the bench. Luis Urias, who had modest numbers at Oakland but has a season OBP of .315-----the MLB average is .316-------is at Nashville & may quite possibly be on the bench. Yelich may very well not see LF for the remainder of the year, but if he does either Collins or Frelick is on the bench.

For all the wailing (from some) about the trade deadline, contenders have picked up pieces since then that have been put on waivers. Due to our W-L record, other teams have gotten first crack at these people, while we've had to sit at the back of the line. 

Again, I'd be happy to give my opinion as to who we should've traded for, provided I know what it would've taken.

Luis Urias? Come on man. He was dfa for a reason. He's not good. Jansen had two opportunities to change the game today. He couldn't bunt them over and he couldn't hit a sac fly. My challenge for you is to name something positive He's done since being acquired. As I said Phillies got Bader for a bag of balls. Would he look better than Perkins in center? I'm saying yes.

[greenlawler]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

If you reach full strength health-wise----which is what they're trying to do----come playoff time either Hoskins or Vaughn will be on the bench. Perkins, an elite defender, will be on the bench. Monasterio, who is now hitting almost .300, will be on the bench. Jansen, who despite your hating on him because he's done nothing since coming here but has 11 HRs on the year, will be on the bench. Luis Urias, who had modest numbers at Oakland but has a season OBP of .315-----the MLB average is .316-------is at Nashville & may quite possibly be on the bench. Yelich may very well not see LF for the remainder of the year, but if he does either Collins or Frelick is on the bench.

For all the wailing (from some) about the trade deadline, contenders have picked up pieces since then that have been put on waivers. Due to our W-L record, other teams have gotten first crack at these people, while we've had to sit at the back of the line. 

Again, I'd be happy to give my opinion as to who we should've traded for, provided I know what it would've taken.

I have been a Brewers fan for 40 plus years. I joined the site years ago but only started posting this year. My welcome to the site was when I posted that I thought we should have made a play for a bat at the trade deadline. I was downvoted.

Now we see that maybe we should have traded for that bat..

I hope it does not matter and our bats wake up, but tonight made me think of those first posts I made here. 

[HarveysWBs]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

Did anyone else find it a bit silly that Murphy refused to say which reliever is going on the IL tomorrow? 

Do you need to tell his family first, or are you waiting to make the big reveal on the Pat McAfee show? Good grief, man.

This bothered me a little bit, too, since there are really only two ways this can go, and both look silly. Firstly, if it is a major injury that will likely take whoever suffered it out for the regular season or beyond, then let's just rip the bandaid off and be out with it.

But on the other hand, if it is a lesser injury that looks like it could require a minimum absence, being coy like this makes it sounds like we're just playing the IL shuffle game. And look, I'm not naive enough to argue that doesn't or even shouldn't happen under the current rules and enforcement regime by the league. But if you're going to play games with injuries, can you at least do it with a straight face and not be so cute about it?

[SomewhereInTime]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

Brewers would be 86-76 not sure if that would cut it.  All depends on how the WC teams finish. 

San Francisco would have to go 15-7 just to tie them with the Mets also going at least 11-11 and the Padres at least 10-12.  Or replace San Francisco with Cincinnati going 16-6 or St. Louis going 16-5.

And mind you, this is with the Brewers not winning a single game the rest of the way.

[SomewhereInTime]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

Name one by war that is worse. I dare you. Nobody said a bench full of anything. You cannot have a single player with a positive war? 

If we were to assume our current bench consists of Perkins, Bauers, Seigler, Jansen, Monasterio.  They have a combined bWAR of 0.9 this year.  The Colorado Rockies entire baseball team has a bWAR of -3.8 for all position players combined.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

Luis Urias? Come on man. He was dfa for a reason. He's not good. Jansen had two opportunities to change the game today. He couldn't bunt them over and he couldn't hit a sac fly. My challenge for you is to name something positive He's done since being acquired. As I said Phillies got Bader for a bag of balls. Would he look better than Perkins in center? I'm saying yes.

Santana & IKF were DFA'd for a reason, too. And they were both snapped up. And there have been others. I tried to point out to you, Urias has an OBP at the league average. We're talking about a bench guy here, right? Lots of bench guys around MLB are below that. Jansen hasn't been good since coming here, true. But you're engaging in hindsight. At the time, he was considered a clear upgrade over Haase & probably still is, as Haase being waived through baseball not once but twice proves. Jansen has 85 HRs in his career, with 13 sac flies. He CAN'T hit a sac fly? How about 'he's been a disappointment w/the bat so far'. Wouldn't that be just a little more accurate?

You're wrong about Bader. He was acquired for Hendry Mendez, a 21 year old OF who used to be in the Brewers' system. He's at the AA level & hitting just under .300 w/an OBP of .384. Also included was a 16-yr-old pitcher from Venezuela. That package is nothing like a 'bag of balls'.  

You know, Philadelphia signed Harper, Schwarber, Castellanos to hefty FA contracts. That bumps some pretty good talent to the bench, and in the Phillies' world you can pay THEM, too. And since you can simply throw money at your holes on the roster you can deal prospects w/o giving it a second thought. Milwaukee has to be smarter. As in Isaac Collins. As in seeing something in Durbin, or Monasterio, or Vaughn. Or yes, Perkins, who has won them games over the years. Or Megill, Koenig, Priester, Zastryzny, Colin Rae for a couple years. These people (except Durbin) cost little or nothing in player capital..........but I guess your response to all that is you need to be mistake-free at the deadline, too. 

They've done more with less than anyone else out there. Because they HAVE to. They deserve more than to be scrutinized every time they're hit by an injury bug, or someone underperforms.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, greenlawler said:

I have been a Brewers fan for 40 plus years. I joined the site years ago but only started posting this year. My welcome to the site was when I posted that I thought we should have made a play for a bat at the trade deadline. I was downvoted.

Now we see that maybe we should have traded for that bat..

I hope it does not matter and our bats wake up, but tonight made me think of those first posts I made here. 

Sounds good. But who are we talking about, and what would the cost have been? No one ever seems to be able to answer that question, because of course they can't. None of us are on the phones or in the office on deadline day. And really that's the only way to ascertain if they should make a deal, otherwise it's just a bunch of "MOVE THE NEEDLE!!!!" noise with no substance or point of reference.

I'll admit, I get disappointed too when the team may not be improved to the extent I hoped it would. But we just don't know the whole story, and the prospect capital is more important to us than most other teams. It has to be. I remember in '08, being excited about the chance to grab Sabathia, being happy with the deal, but wishing like hell we'd have been able to pull it off w/o including Mike Brantley.

I'm more concerned about the overall health of the pitching staff, to be honest. In the last six games, all vs playoff teams, we've scored 7, 4, 4, 8, & 6 runs.....and today we get shutout by a guy who's had a terrific year & had a wide zone to boot, and reading some of these posts you'd think we've scored 3 runs all week. Get Chourio & Yelich healthy, Get Megill & Anderson back, figure out roles moving forward for Miz, Gasser, Patrick, and they'll be fine.

Keep posting!!!!!

[adambr2]

3 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

If they lost all 21 remaining games they would still be a wild card.

If they lose their 21 remaining games, they would enter the playoffs at 86-76 and on a 22 game losing streak with a total of 1 win in the month of September.

I cannot possibly imagine the train wreck that would have to take place for this to come to fruition but I’m pretty sure at this point that I’d be desperately waiting for it to come to its merciful end and not grabbing a bowl of popcorn and sitting in my favorite chair to watch them in the Wild Card round.

[BruisedCrew]

If the Brewers lost their last 22 in a row it would accomplish a few things:

1. The team would be remembered forever for the greatest collapse of all time 

2.We would never again declare a division race over in mid August because the projections show a team has a 95% chance of prevailing. 

3. We could expect pigs to fly. 

[Brian]

7 hours ago, greenlawler said:

I have been a Brewers fan for 40 plus years. I joined the site years ago but only started posting this year. My welcome to the site was when I posted that I thought we should have made a play for a bat at the trade deadline. I was downvoted.

Now we see that maybe we should have traded for that bat..

I hope it does not matter and our bats wake up, but tonight made me think of those first posts I made here. 

We actually had more hits than the Phillies in our loss yesterday but were all random with no clutch hitting.  Murphy managed it almost like a spring training game. 

Bauers, Seigler and Jansen to me at this point are all just wasted at bats but we do need a back up catcher . It is so hard for me to believe we don't have better options.  I know we have Hoskins coming up soon and would like to see him replace one of those guys. Hoskins should be healthy and can be a legit .250 hitter with power and could be our playoff DH maybe. 

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, Brian said:

We actually had more hits than the Phillies in our loss yesterday but were all random with no clutch hitting.  Murphy managed it almost like a spring training game. 

Bauers, Seigler and Jansen to me at this point are all just wasted at bats but we do need a back up catcher . It is so hard for me to believe we don't have better options.  I know we have Hoskins coming up soon and would like to see him replace one of those guys. Hoskins should be healthy and can be a legit .250 hitter with power and could be our playoff DH. 

We do have better options. It’s Jeferson Quero, He’s one of our top prospects, he’s almost 23 and he’s already on the 40 man roster. It makes all the sense in the world. What are we afraid of, that he’ll be worse than Jansen? 

For the life of me I can’t understand why we are so afraid to make this move.

[Brian]

9 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

We do have better options. It’s Jeferson Quero, He’s one of our top prospects, he’s almost 23 and he’s already on the 40 man roster. It makes all the sense in the world. What are we afraid of, that he’ll be worse than Jansen? 

For the life of me I can’t understand why we are so afraid to make this move.

Maybe because of this? https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/brewers-jeferson-quero-out-3-to-4-weeks/ 

 

[SeaBass]

The Brewers are 8-11 since they won the final game of that 14 game winning streak. If they manage to take 2 of 3 from the Pirates in the next series they'd be 10-12.

They went 3-3 vs. Toronto and Philly, two really good teams.

Folks kinda need to calm down. Or not. Wallow in misery for all I care.

All I know is that I'd rather they be going through this "slump-ish" type stage now in early September rather than in early October. Doesn't guarantee they'll be hotter once the playoffs start but it is what it is.

I don't know, it just kinda feels normal to me that the team would cool off after how whackadoodle hot they were for a couple of months there.

[Bulldogboy]

7 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Sounds good. But who are we talking about, and what would the cost have been? No one ever seems to be able to answer that question, because of course they can't. None of us are on the phones or in the office on deadline day. And really that's the only way to ascertain if they should make a deal, otherwise it's just a bunch of "MOVE THE NEEDLE!!!!" noise with no substance or point of reference.

I'll admit, I get disappointed too when the team may not be improved to the extent I hoped it would. But we just don't know the whole story, and the prospect capital is more important to us than most other teams. It has to be. I remember in '08, being excited about the chance to grab Sabathia, being happy with the deal, but wishing like hell we'd have been able to pull it off w/o including Mike Brantley.

I'm more concerned about the overall health of the pitching staff, to be honest. In the last six games, all vs playoff teams, we've scored 7, 4, 4, 8, & 6 runs.....and today we get shutout by a guy who's had a terrific year & had a wide zone to boot, and reading some of these posts you'd think we've scored 3 runs all week. Get Chourio & Yelich healthy, Get Megill & Anderson back, figure out roles moving forward for Miz, Gasser, Patrick, and they'll be fine.

Keep posting!!!!!

None of us know specifically what was offered but the fact is they didn't do anything and they should have. Jansen isn't hindsight. There wasn't anyone here clamoring for Haase to be replaced. I for one was asking for him to take some snaps from Contreras when he was hurt. It's not like he's coming back so cut the loss now imo.