Robert Gasser Sent Back To Triple-A By Brewers After Wild Start

[adambr2]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Freddy was a Cy Young candidate last year because his ERA was like a run better than all of his peripherals. He's not a Cy Young contender level pitcher and the only reason he was ever called an Ace is because Brewers media pushed that label onto him. 

I am not calling Freddy an “ace” but he was a heck of a number 2 for us for years and was a lot better than this thread is giving him credit for.

[liveforoctober]

12 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

How anyone defines a 4 versus a 1 these days is subjective and doesn’t mean much, but I think it’s crazy to think that if Peralta were on the pitching staff right now and a playoff series were starting tomorrow, he wouldn’t be one of the first 3 getting the ball, 

It's all opinion obviously but as of today Miz and Harrison I'm not letting anyone argue taking Peralta over. I'm taking Henderson until he slips up, he just has been too good not to be the guy in the #3 spot as of this moment. Then if Woodruff is healthy I'm going with him #4. If he isn't healthy I'd take Peralta as the 4th.

So for me he is #4 or #5 and I don't think that's a crazy take by any stretch.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

I am not calling Freddy an “ace” but he was a heck of a number 2 for us for years and was a lot better than this thread is giving him credit for.

I think saying Freddy isn't better than Misiorowski, Harrison, or Henderson isn't out of line. Yes Freddy has a much longer track record than them but Freddy since the start of 2023 has a 94 FIP-. I think Freddy has been overrated by Brewers fans for a few years in part because Brewers media tried to portray him as an ace.

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, wallus said:

Considering rotations have 5 and sometimes 6 starters, you are being incredibly pedantic. 

While I won't disagree that Murph would have Peralta pitch in the playoffs before Henderson, you are disrespecting the historic start of Logan.

"Logan Henderson has done something no pitcher ever has before in Major League Baseball history," Hogg wrote. "He's the first in Stathead's database (since 1898) to begin his career by making 10 straight starts with 2 or fewer runs allowed,"

No, you’re continuing to excessively harp on something that I already conceded was an embellishment in my first reply rather than just actively have the discussion.

Logan has been great. His start has been great. No one is discounting that. It doesn’t make him our #3 at this point in time. (Although maybe it does because of our lack of current options, but it wouldn’t slot him in over Peralta).

Do you remember what Gasser’s first 5 starts looked like?

My whole original point in another thread was that Peralta would actually be a much needed addition to our rotation this year.

Which might even be more true now that Henderson is dealing with back tightness.

I just don’t know why people feel the need to discount what he brought just because he isn’t here anymore.

[LouisEly]

Back to the original topic, the reason for the shuttling back and forth is because the Brewers have a number of young SPs who are talented but either haven't built up their innings yet or are coming off of injuries and still building back up and they are trying to manage the workload. 

Compounding that is the injuries to Priester and Woodruff who, if healthy, would make the shuttling of Gasser/Crow/Henderson much easier to manage.

 

[adambr2]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I think saying Freddy isn't better than Misiorowski, Harrison, or Henderson isn't out of line. Yes Freddy has a much longer track record than them but Freddy since the start of 2023 has a 94 FIP-. I think Freddy has been overrated by Brewers fans for a few years in part because Brewers media tried to portray him as an ace.

I’m absolutely comfortable with saying Miz is an ace and one of the best pitchers in the league and clearly better than Freddy Peralta.

I also think it’s not out of line on the other two guys to say the jury is still out on making any widespread declarations in comparison to someone who spent 8 seasons here based on a small sample handful of starts, 

[adambr2]

11 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

It's all opinion obviously but as of today Miz and Harrison I'm not letting anyone argue taking Peralta over. I'm taking Henderson until he slips up, he just has been too good not to be the guy in the #3 spot as of this moment. Then if Woodruff is healthy I'm going with him #4. If he isn't healthy I'd take Peralta as the 4th.

So for me he is #4 or #5 and I don't think that's a crazy take by any stretch.

I think taking Logan Henderson right now, this early, over Peralta, is a crazy take, yes. It reminds me of the hype around Gasser after his first few starts. And I absolutely am high on Logan and think he could have a fantastic career. Ironically, I compared him to Freddy in the last Henderson GT.

I think taking any modern day version of Brandon Woodruff over Peralta is a crazy take. 

Huge fan of Woodruff and what he brought for so many years. But he’s 33. He hasn’t been the same since 2023. He gets by on deception and doesn’t have the velocity anymore. I hope he has another half season in him, but I think he’s toast.

[liveforoctober]

11 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I think taking Logan Henderson right now, this early, over Peralta, is a crazy take, yes. It reminds me of the hype around Gasser after his first few starts. And I absolutely am high on Logan and think he could have a fantastic career. Ironically, I compared him to Freddy in the last Henderson GT.

I think taking any modern day version of Brandon Woodruff over Peralta is a crazy take. 

Huge fan of Woodruff and what he brought for so many years. But he’s 33. He hasn’t been the same since 2023. He gets by on deception and doesn’t have the velocity anymore. I hope he has another half season in him, but I think he’s toast.

I don't think your take is crazy at all.

I personally would not start the guy who gave up 8 earned runs and 5 home runs in last year's playoffs but that's just me and I don't think it's a crazy take to go with someone else.

One of these rough lines from this season is a modern day hurt version of Brandon Woodruff THIS YEAR. One of these rough lines is a modern day healthy Freddy Peralta THIS YEAR. You can choose whomever you want but they seem pretty similar to me and the guy I'm picking hasn't been healthy yet.. not quite sure why that is a wild take.

3.52era 1.27wh 9k/9 2.3k/bb 

3.6era 1.03wh 7.5k/9 4.15k/bb 

 

[adambr2]

Just now, liveforoctober said:

I don't think your take is crazy at all.

I personally would not start the guy who gave up 8 earned runs and 5 home runs in last year's playoffs but that's just me and I don't think it's a crazy take to go with someone else.

One of these rough lines from this season is a modern day hurt version of Brandon Woodruff THIS YEAR. One of these rough lines is a modern day healthy Freddy Peralta THIS YEAR. You can choose whomever you want but they seem pretty similar to me and the guy I'm picking hasn't been healthy yet.. not quite sure why that is a wild take.

3.52era 1.27wh 9k/9 2.3k/bb 

3.6era 1.03wh 7.5k/9 4.15k/bb 

 

Fair enough. When I first started posting here this discussion would have been over whether Victor Santos or Wes Obermueller was our #4. So I’m just grateful how far we’ve come regardless. 😅

[wiguy94]

30 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I think taking Logan Henderson right now, this early, over Peralta, is a crazy take, yes. It reminds me of the hype around Gasser after his first few starts. And I absolutely am high on Logan and think he could have a fantastic career. Ironically, I compared him to Freddy in the last Henderson GT.

I think taking any modern day version of Brandon Woodruff over Peralta is a crazy take. 

Huge fan of Woodruff and what he brought for so many years. But he’s 33. He hasn’t been the same since 2023. He gets by on deception and doesn’t have the velocity anymore. I hope he has another half season in him, but I think he’s toast.

I feel like trying to make this Gasser-Henderson comparison is a bit odd because Henderson has done this for 10 starts now and has done it in a much more sustainable way than Gasser did. He's also a more regarded prospect than Gasser ever was.

Henderson first 10 starts - 2.72 FIP, 3.14 xFIP, 33% K-rate, 7% BB-rate

Gasser before TJ - 3.38 FIP, 4.18 xFIP, 14% K-rate, 1% BB-rate

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I feel like trying to make this Gasser-Henderson comparison is a bit odd because Henderson has done this for 10 starts now and has done it in a much more sustainable way than Gasser did. He's also a more regarded prospect than Gasser ever was.

Henderson first 10 starts - 2.72 FIP, 3.14 xFIP, 33% K-rate, 7% BB-rate

Gasser before TJ - 3.38 FIP, 4.18 xFIP, 14% K-rate, 1% BB-rate

I am not trying to make this about Gasser versus Henderson in any other way other than to say let’s get a little larger sample size before making conclusions.

But I do think some recency bias is in play here and I’m pretty confident if you go back to the 2023 threads on this page you’ll see Gasser was just as regarded by many posters and prospects lists as Henderson has been, 

[RobertR]

On 5/25/2026 at 5:01 PM, liveforoctober said:

I don't think your take is crazy at all.

I personally would not start the guy who gave up 8 earned runs and 5 home runs in last year's playoffs but that's just me and I don't think it's a crazy take to go with someone else.

One of these rough lines from this season is a modern day hurt version of Brandon Woodruff THIS YEAR. One of these rough lines is a modern day healthy Freddy Peralta THIS YEAR. You can choose whomever you want but they seem pretty similar to me and the guy I'm picking hasn't been healthy yet.. not quite sure why that is a wild take.

3.52era 1.27wh 9k/9 2.3k/bb 

3.6era 1.03wh 7.5k/9 4.15k/bb 

 

Peralta has roughly double the innings pitched of Woodruff this year. And that gap is going to grow. Rate stats are important but IP are also important. Peralta is clearly more valuable in 2026. 

At least during the regular season. Sure, any given start Woodruff is likely to be as valuable or more. But when is he available?

[liveforoctober]

9 minutes ago, RobertR said:

Peralta has roughly double the innings pitched of Woodruff this year. And that gap is going to grow. Rate stats are important but IP are also important. Peralta is clearly more valuable in 2026. 

At least during the regular season. Sure, any given start Woodruff is likely to be as valuable or more. But when is he available?

I had said in an earlier reply in this convo I would take a healthy Woodruff over Peralta in a playoff game start but would take Peralta if BW wasn't a full go. That part of the convo was lost in this and later replies. There was an implication from a poster that Woodruff had lost effectiveness at this juncture comparative to Peralta and I was simply pointing out that the rough stats this year, when both have pitched, have been similar.

[RobertR]

48 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

I had said in an earlier reply in this convo I would take a healthy Woodruff over Peralta in a playoff game start but would take Peralta if BW wasn't a full go. That part of the convo was lost in this and later replies. There was an implication from a poster that Woodruff had lost effectiveness at this juncture comparative to Peralta and I was simply pointing out that the rough stats this year, when both have pitched, have been similar.

That's fair. I just think downplaying probably 180+ innings pitched ignores a large part of Peralta 's value.

Yeah he's not really a Cy Young contender, Misiriowski is, but he's likely to finish no worse than #3 compared to the Brewers starters in terms of WAR. 

[Brian]

1 hour ago, liveforoctober said:

I had said in an earlier reply in this convo I would take a healthy Woodruff over Peralta in a playoff game start but would take Peralta if BW wasn't a full go.

I personally don't think you will ever see a fully healthy Woodruff ever again in his career. 

[liveforoctober]

6 minutes ago, Brian said:

I personally don't think you will ever see a fully healthy Woodruff ever again in his career. 

That's wonderful. The specific conversation topic was who our playoff rotation would be and I said I would take Woodruff if he was healthy over Peralta.

[liveforoctober]

29 minutes ago, RobertR said:

That's fair. I just think downplaying probably 180+ innings pitched ignores a large part of Peralta 's value.

Yeah he's not really a Cy Young contender, Misiriowski is, but he's likely to finish no worse than #3 compared to the Brewers starters in terms of WAR. 

No question. His biggest value to us his whole career was consistent availability. I would trade for him tomorrow if the price was right for the remainder of the year because he would glue everything together for us.

The original topic of contention was who we would start in a playoff game this year ... and I said if Woodruff was healthy I would take him over a Peralta in a playoff game.

Season long value is Peralta without question.

[Brian]

1 minute ago, liveforoctober said:

That's wonderful. The specific conversation topic was who our playoff rotation would be and I said I would take Woodruff if he was healthy over Peralta.

OK I understand now, a make believe pitching rotation. Sorry

[RobertR]

7 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

No question. His biggest value to us his whole career was consistent availability. I would trade for him tomorrow if the price was right for the remainder of the year because he would glue everything together for us.

The original topic of contention was who we would start in a playoff game this year ... and I said if Woodruff was healthy I would take him over a Peralta in a playoff game.

Season long value is Peralta without question.

That's fair.

 

I just think that the answer for a playoff game right now has to be Peralta until Woodruff proves he's healthy. I hope he does prove it, but the answer in May given everything we know is that Woodruff isn't fully healthy and can't be counted on for a playoff game.

But ask again at the trade deadline.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Hate to be that guy to rehash the past but man that Hader trade would have been quite disastrous without Arnold's wizardry to snag Contreras. Looking at the NYM seems Stearns lost his fastball right around that time. Thankful for Mr. Matt Arnold.

[liveforoctober]

3 hours ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Hate to be that guy to rehash the past but man that Hader trade would have been quite disastrous without Arnold's wizardry to snag Contreras. Looking at the NYM seems Stearns lost his fastball right around that time. Thankful for Mr. Matt Arnold.

I could be very wrong about this ... but I feel like if Stearns took over the Rockies he would have them respectable in no time. In NY it feels more like a personality misalignment between GM and market expectation?

Some people are good at mining for gold and some people are good at spending it. Stearns seems like a bottom up rather than a top down builder. Constrain him financially and ask him to build a baseball team and let him work. 

Arnold coming from the Rays and thriving with Milwaukee ... I wonder if he is forever cut from the same cloth. Hopefully he never gets the itch to go to a big market and become a spending GM rather than a mining one.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

56 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Hate to be that guy to rehash the past but man that Hader trade would have been quite disastrous without Arnold's wizardry to snag Contreras. Looking at the NYM seems Stearns lost his fastball right around that time. Thankful for Mr. Matt Arnold.

100%. The Burnes and Hader trades were disasters.  A one-year 5 WAR player is much harder to find than a 5 year 1 WAR player.

the trade of Ruiz for Contreras is an A++++

I think the Gasser hype (for a guy who has never really shown much) or the Gasser apologists are trying to justify what was an awful Hader trade.
 

 

 

 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

If we could trade Gasser and Hall for Peralta, not sure how anyone could argue that this wouldn’t make our team better.

hell, well even throw in Rengifo and Hamilton for free 🤓

with a healthy QP, Woody, Miz, Harrison, and Henderson (and crow in reserve, we don’t need Peralta), but given Spoat and Gasser’s struggles, having Peralta replace them in the rotation easily makes this team better 

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

I think the Gasser hype (for a guy who has never really shown much) or the Gasser apologists are trying to justify what was an awful Hader trade.

Should the Brewers have been able to foresee Gasser getting injured?

Because he sure looked good in 2024 before he got hurt.

Some of us "apologists" don't believe in giving up on someone after 42 IP in the majors, and know that it can take a while for a guy to fully come back from serious injury.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

2 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Should the Brewers have been able to foresee Gasser getting injured?

Because he sure looked good in 2024 before he got hurt.

Some of us "apologists" don't believe in giving up on someone after 42 IP in the majors, and know that it can take a while for a guy to fully come back from serious injury.

He's been healthy enough to pitch in 9 games over the past 2.5 seasons.  He'll be 27 on Sunday and has a career 42 innings pitched.   Yes, his five game start in 2024 looked exciting, but he was injured almost all of last year, and looks lousy this year (i get he's rehabbing)...  This might be his ceiling (as it appears it was for Durbin and Collins)

If Priester doesn't pitch at all this year at the MLB level and then comes back in gets shelled a couple times while walking half the batters he faces, I'll feel the same way, but atleast Priester pitched a full solid season and had a top tier pedigree.

I want Gasser to do well.  I just don't think we can win the #1 seed (which last year proved is vital for us to have a shot at the World Series) if two of our pitchers (Gasser and Sproat) are only giving us short outings, with a 6 ERA, and a WHIP of 1.50.

Why not use Gasser out of the bullpen to help him "ease back" and once he demonstrates success at being able to throw strikes and get outs, then we gradually stretch him out the next time we have a rotation opening.