Giants (Houser) vs Brewers (Crow): 6/4/26, 1:10pm

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

The Giants had a 93.1% win probability when Woodford came in and the choices were Woodford or Ashby, Uribe, Megill. You would have complained if Murphy used his A pen there and Brewers don't come back because the Giants actually use their A pen

Just got here. We wanted Megill, Ashby or Uribe to enter the game instead of Woodford when trailing by three? My goodness.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Just got here. We wanted Megill, Ashby or Uribe enter the game instead of Woodford when trailing by three? My goodness.

Not to mention Woodford only came in because Anderson got injured. He was warming in case Anderson gave up runs which is when the white flag would have gone up. None of Ashby, Uribe, or Megill had warmed up at all so you would have had them going from cold to quick warm up to replace an injured pitcher.

[Jim French Stepstool]

Strange to think the way this game went, that you could make the argument that the ball Chourio didn't catch to open the game when his glove hit the wall plus the ball Vaughn hit that was brought back could've been the difference. No leadoff HR & SF probably goes scoreless in the first.

It's buried in all the hoopla of 21 runs, but I thought a key moment was Hentges initial hitter faced. We gathered some momentum, had Turang at 1st w/no one out, and Contreras struck out on an 0-2 pitch after fouling one off. None of the four pitches in the AB were strikes.

Best of luck to Jake Woodford in whatever's next for him as I see no way he goes to Denver with the team. Just hope it's no biggie re Hall & Anderson.

[BruisedCrew]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Just got here. We wanted Megill, Ashby or Uribe enter the game instead of Woodford when trailing by three? My goodness.

Not just trailing by 3, but trailing by 3 with 2 men on base and having to bring in a new pitcher because of an injury. Woodford was already throwing.

Bringing in Ashby, Uribe, or Megill would have required them to warm up from a cold start. That’s a recipe for another injury when a pitcher has to alter his normal warmup routine. 

The Brewers chances of winning that game were pretty low when they fell behind 6-1 in the third inning. Their late rally was a result if the Giants trying to get through without their best pitchers

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Strange to think the way this game went, that you could make the argument that the ball Chourio didn't catch to open the game when his glove hit the wall plus the ball Vaughn hit that was brought back could've been the difference. No leadoff HR & SF probably goes scoreless in the first.

It's buried in all the hoopla of 21 runs, but I thought a key moment was Hentges initial hitter faced. We gathered some momentum, had Turang at 1st w/no one out, and Contreras struck out on an 0-2 pitch after fouling one off. None of the four pitches in the AB were strikes.

Best of luck to Jake Woodford in whatever's next for him as I see no way he goes to Denver with the team. Just hope it's no biggie re Hall & Anderson.

Pec issue for Hall which I imagine is assuredly an IL stint. Anderson forearm contusion but it's on his throwing arm. I think both probably go on the IL which means Woodford might stick around a bit longer. Personally I want nothing to do with that. DFA him and move Crow into his role.

[Bulldogboy]

7 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Just got here. We wanted Megill, Ashby or Uribe enter the game instead of Woodford when trailing by three? My goodness.

Well you're not going to believe this but the Brewers have some non mlb caliber players at the end of the roster who when used are just going to make matters worse. You should know this after last night. You are going to continue to lose games playing 26 v 21.

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

 Woodford might stick around a bit longer. Personally I want nothing to do with that. DFA him and move Crow into his role.

Agreed. He can't be used for a few days anyway, and you're going to Coors. I'd actually go with someone fresh in Nashville; Mcgee if he's rested.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Well you're not going to believe this but the Brewers have some non mlb caliber players at the end of the roster who when used are just going to make matters worse. You should know this after last night. You are going to continue to lose games playing 26 v 21.

Look, I'm not doing this. No team is going to use their primary relievers in that situation, save for a deciding playoff game or a game where someone hasn't thrown for days & needs work. None.

I'm sure you're a great guy & all that..........

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Agreed. He can't be used for a few days anyway, and you're going to Coors.

Neither can Crow, so no point in keeping him around either. Yoho should be up for sure and probably Fitz. Just rip off the bandaid with Woodford, it did not work out. 

So I’m not sure who the best candidate is to take his spot on the 40 and 26, if any right now. A trade would probably be the best option. 

[Brian]

5 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Look, I'm not doing this. No team is going to use their primary relievers in that situation, save for a deciding playoff game.

I agree 100% 

[Bulldogboy]

11 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Look, I'm not doing this. No team is going to use their primary relievers in that situation, save for a deciding playoff game or a game where someone hasn't thrown for days & needs work. None.

I'm sure you're a great guy & all that..........

My point is Mr. Arnold is if Woodford wasn't on the roster you wouldn't have to use him and punt a winnable game. But like you said last night getting rid of bad players is difficult to do and the Brewers deserve grace. I get it. No problem. Just try to win tomorrow.  Keep fighting Matt.

[willie key]

Vaughn got robbed of a homer against a righty.     Haha

[edfunderburk]

So, rather than read this lengthy thread - especially after a loss - can someone please succinctly share details regarding the two injuries? dL Hall & Anderson. What an awful day. When I saw the box score, I assumed we might actually see the long-awaited DFA for Woodford. Now, due to injuries, he may stay longer. Rats! I’m ready for some significant roster changes with the poor performance players like Woodford & Perkins & even Rengifo. 

[wiguy94]

9 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

So, rather than read this lengthy thread - especially after a loss - can someone please succinctly share details regarding the two injuries? dL Hall & Anderson. What an awful day. When I saw the box score, I assumed we might actually see the long-awaited DFA for Woodford. Now, due to injuries, he may stay longer. But.Rats! I’m ready for some significant roster changes with the poor performance players like Woodford & Perkins & even Rengifo. 

Hall was a pec injury. Doesn't sound serious but I imagine it will still be an IL stint. Anderson took a comebacker off his forearm. X-ray was negative but there's some swelling. I think he's less likely to hit the IL but still a possibility.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

Wiguy94 thinks you play to win tomorrow. 😆 

1) In a 162-game season with stretches of 2+ weeks without an off-day, you can't play to win every single game.

B) This early in the season you have to overpay for players in trade.  Almost everyone thinks they are still in it with a couple of breaks (and they don't want to lose 4 months of paying fans who think they are giving up by early June), and if they don't think they are in it they usually don't have anyone worth trading for.  (See: Jake Woodford - we had to give up K.C. Hunt just to get that pile of garbage)

[adambr2]

Murphy on Woodford:

for as good of a manager as he is, he will sure go out of his way to defend every pile of garbage on the roster.

[adambr2]

“(Jake Woodford) is willing to take the ball at any time.”

Is that a threat?

[MilwaukeeBeers]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

Jett has been a below average hitter in AAA so far this year with a .298 xwOBA. His .347 OBP is only one point better than the International League average of .346 this season.

Thanks for making my point that hed be a CLEAR upgrade over Rengifo. I am referring to his plate discipline throughout his entire minor league career btw

[wiguy94]

9 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

1) In a 162-game season with stretches of 2+ weeks without an off-day, you can't play to win every single game.

I also just did not say what Bulldog said I did. If I had a choice of Woodford or a middle reliever in that spot I probably would have preferred a middle reliever to get out of the inning then turn it over to Woodford in the 8th. That just wasn't an option because the Brewers currently have a 7 man bullpen and the four relievers available in that spot were Woodford or our leverage relievers and in that sense Woodford is the only guy who made sense.

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Thanks for making my point that hed be a CLEAR upgrade over Rengifo. I am referring to his plate discipline throughout his entire minor league career btw

I think if the Brewers thought Williams was a clear upgrade over Rengifo that he would be on the big league roster. Super 2 date has very likely passed. The fact Williams is a below average hitter in AAA with even worse underlying numbers than his actual results would lead me to believe they do not believe Williams is guaranteed to be better than Rengifo at this moment.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

Neither can Crow, so no point in keeping him around either. Yoho should be up for sure and probably Fitz. Just rip off the bandaid with Woodford, it did not work out. 

So I’m not sure who the best candidate is to take his spot on the 40 and 26, if any right now. A trade would probably be the best option. 

Yeah, that's why I mentioned McGee. 

Yoho seems to have found something & I'd be good with him filling the Anderson role. You'd like a LH as well & Koenig isn't 'there' yet so I also agree re Fitzpatrick.

I don't feel a trade on the horizon but one seldom does ahead of time so who knows?

[Samurai Bucky]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

“(Jake Woodford) is willing to take the ball at any time.”

Is that a threat?

I was thinking of it more like falling on the sword.  

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

I think if the Brewers thought Williams was a clear upgrade over Rengifo that he would be on the big league roster. Super 2 date has very likely passed. The fact Williams is a below average hitter in AAA with even worse underlying numbers than his actual results would lead me to believe they do not believe Williams is guaranteed to be better than Rengifo at this moment.

I compare it to Durbin last year. When he was added he showed really exceptional bat-to-ball skills at AAA but other than that his numbers were OK, not great. Still they didn't hesitate to go with him over Dunn/Capra. And as disappointing as Rengifo has been he's been better than that duo, plus as you said Williams hasn't been good & isn't trending well (I believe he's 1 for his last 24).

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

Murphy on Woodford:

for as good of a manager as he is, he will sure go out of his way to defend every pile of garbage on the roster.

I agree there's a lot of media fodder there. But most managers do that, no?

[adambr2]

20 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I agree there's a lot of media fodder there. But most managers do that, no?

Yeah, maybe. But it also makes me believe that a DFA isn’t imminent.