Brewers (Harrison) vs Braves (Sale): 6/20/26, 3:10pm

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

 

Spencer kind of walked that statement back after he realized Megill has had reverse splits in his career

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Peak Counsell from 2018 to 2023 went 487 W - 384 L for a .559 W% that was 6th in MLB over those years.

The Brewers scored 3,961 runs (14th) and allowed 3,647 runs (6th) for a +314 run differential, or +0.36 runs per game.

Since Murhpy took over the Brewers are 235 W - 163 L for a .590 W% that is currently 2nd in MLB since 2024.

The Brewers have scored 1,971 runs (4th) and allowed 1,549 runs (1st) for a +422 run differential, or +1.06 runs per game.

Murphy's Brewers are +108 on run differential in 473 fewer games than Peak Counsell Brewers.

I'd say that's considerably greater success.

Not that I really want to get sucked into this argument because I think it's silly but I think most would probably agree that Murphy has had better teams to manage, right?

[jay87shot]

Tough one today, I dont mind Ashby closing that one. 

I was looking at splits earlier for Turang, he is only hitting like .170 vs lefties and .300 vs. righties. I dont think I would sit him but maybe he needs to hit like 6/7 against lefties until he turns that around.

[adambr2]

21 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Peak Counsell from 2018 to 2023 went 487 W - 384 L for a .559 W% that was 6th in MLB over those years.

The Brewers scored 3,961 runs (14th) and allowed 3,647 runs (6th) for a +314 run differential, or +0.36 runs per game.

Since Murhpy took over the Brewers are 235 W - 163 L for a .590 W% that is currently 2nd in MLB since 2024.

The Brewers have scored 1,971 runs (4th) and allowed 1,549 runs (1st) for a +422 run differential, or +1.06 runs per game.

Murphy's Brewers are +108 on run differential in 473 fewer games than Peak Counsell Brewers.

I'd say that's considerably greater success.

I’m not saying Counsell was “better” by any means but this is not a fair or apples to apples comparison when you’re talking about managers that took over their respective teams at very different times and when the organization was in a much different place.

[adambr2]

Lest things get taken way out of context like often occurs I am again by no means saying that Murphy sucks and shouldn’t be our manager.

By and large I don’t really think there are any “special” managers and most just either win or lose 2-3 games during the course of a season and this can vary from season to season, Ned Yost won a World Series, presumably he was a very good manager that year. Would we all consider Ned Yost a very good manager in hindsight ?

All I’m saying is that it’s far more organizational here and if they replaced Murphy with Rickie Weeks or whoever else tomorrow the beat is just going to go on and they are not going to suddenly devolve into an 85 win team. 

[sveumrules]

23 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Not that I really want to get sucked into this argument because I think it's silly but I think most would probably agree that Murphy has had better teams to manage, right?

Right. Murphy has managed better teams to more success than Counsell managed his teams to, so not all that similar in multiple regards.

[sveumrules]

10 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I’m not saying Counsell was “better” by any means but this is not a fair or apples to apples comparison when you’re talking about managers that took over their respective teams at very different times and when the organization was in a much different place.

The Brewers lost Hader, Stearns, Counsell, Burnes, Williams, Adames, and Peralta leading up to and during Murphy’s tenure.

It’s clear the arrow is pointing up now two plus years later but there was far less certainty at the outset they’d be able to survive so many losses.

[Bulldogboy]

3 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Right. Murphy has managed better teams to more success than Counsell managed his teams to, so not all that similar in multiple regards.

Counsell managed peak Yelich. Murphy has gotten the shell. That's big

[StearnsFTW]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

Statistics, and especially advanced stats like XYZf123 or whatever, give a false illusion of indisputable, scientific proof, allowing people like you and your ilk to present manipulated facts in a way that deceives people more convincingly than a simple lie ever could. I'd actually take a supposed antiquated stat like ERA over XYZf123 any day, which the Braves have a lower one over us.

And right on cue, our supposed way better pitching loses us the game.

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[wiguy94]

15 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Counsell managed peak Yelich. Murphy has gotten the shell. That's big

Counsell managed both the best and worst versions of Yelich. Overall in Counsell's tenure Yelich had a 135 wRC+. In Murphy's tenure Yelich has a 129 wRC+

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Counsell managed both the best and worst versions of Yelich. Overall in Counsell's tenure Yelich had a 135 wRC+. In Murphy's tenure Yelich has a 129 wRC+

Numbers do lie at least in this case. Which version would you prefer? I get your point but also the Counsell version could play passable left field. This version is a drain on flexibility. 

[Brian]

35 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Counsell managed peak Yelich. Murphy has gotten the shell. That's big

Peak Woodruff, Hader, Peralta, Devin Williams, and a few more I'm sure. 

[wiguy94]

I've found a new scapegoat for this game and it's Joey Ortiz. Joey's casual defense allowing Eli White to get an infield single had down stream effects that turned Riley's groundout in the 7th from an inning ending groundout to an RBI groundout.

[yourout]

At least the rest of the division kind of laid an egg today. 

Still have a five game lead.

[just_some_guy]

5 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

How can the Cardinals have a day off on a Saturday?

That's new this year.  I think every team gets one Saturday off.

 

[yourout]

Tomorrow could get ugly.

[Brock Beauchamp]

16 minutes ago, just_some_guy said:

That's new this year.  I think every team gets one Saturday off.

Welcome to Brewer Fanatic!

[Bulldogboy]

Never understand why teams like Brewers just don't go out and try to find upgrade now instead of waiting till deadline. I'd rather have trade pieces now than wait another month. It will come down to 8 minutes before the deadline to find another bullpen arm. Takes two to tango i know. 

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Never understand why teams like Brewers just don't go out and try to find upgrade now instead of waiting till deadline. I'd rather have trade pieces now than wait another month. It will come down to 8 minutes before the deadline to find another bullpen arm. Takes two to tango i know. 

The Brewers have done this numerous times. 

2021 - Adames in May, Tellez in early July

2024 - Civale in early July

2025 - Priester in April

Like you said it also takes two to tango and right now there are only 7 teams more than 3,5 games out of a playoff spot and of those 7 teams, 5 came into the season with some intention of competing (Detroit, Boston, Kansas City, NYM, San Francisco)

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

Peak Woodruff, Hader, Peralta, Devin Williams, and a few more I'm sure. 

Are prime Turang, Conteras, Miz, and Chourio just chopped liver?

[willie key]

I’m starting to hate frelick now

[brewmann04]

I knew Murphy had Ashby in mind to close during his interviews.  Sorry but not using Megill to close costs a game today. 

[brewmann04]

Go get some hitting at the. Deadline

[crossface2311]

1 hour ago, just_some_guy said:

That's new this year.  I think every team gets one Saturday off.

 

It was because of a scheduling thing with the World Cup being played across the street to aleviate the congestion and parking.