Rolen Trade, Latest: Glaus/Rolen swap (reply #795)

[splitterpfj]

Rolen's contract, from mlb4u.com...

 

 

Contract:

 

8-Year worth 90M thru 2010 season- will make 11.625M in 2005, 12.5M in 2006, 14.5M in 2007, 13.79M in 2008, 13.25M in 2009 and 12.63M in 2010- + $2M of 2007 salary is deferred with $10M of the deal in total being deffered- + he has complete NO-TRADE clause- + BONUSES he has received: 50K bonus for 2004 All-Star and 50K for 2004 Gold Glove, 50K for 2004 NL MVP finish, 50K for 2005 All-Star selection, $50K for 2006 Gold Glove

[Team Canada]

Well, at least after next year his salary would decrease..

[DuWayne Steurer]

Given what guys on the open market are getting, Rolen at 3 yrs/36 mil is a huge bargain IF (that's a big if) you get 130 games out of him and pre-2007 offensive production. It's a risk when you're team with a small(er) payroll, but it might pay off big. The only thing I think I would balk at is that he's still on the payroll when other guys (more important guys) are going to start to get real expensive. I don't want Scott Rolen being the salary that makes us have to choose between Weeks and Hart (or Fielder and Braun and so on).

[twobrewers]

With St. Louis picking up none of the contract, this is what I think his trade value is...

 

Healthy Rolen = Sheets

Somewhat Healthy Rolen = Capuano

Rolen Last Year (Not really healthy, but playing) = Vargas

Unhealthy Rolen = Big mistake

[brewerfan82]

All I know is I'd rather have Scott Rolen at 3/36M than Francisco Cordero at 4/42M. I just hope it doesn't take anything more than Vargas (+ a prospect) or Capuano (straight up) to get him.

[cooprules]

Rotoworld linking to a Post Dispatch story saying the Cards are after Cappy. They suggest a Cappy for Anthony Reyes swap. Not sure why we'd want to trade a starter for a starter. I'd rather have Cappy than Reyes.

[Weirdos19]

With our RH heavy lineup, I hope it's Cappy going down there.

 

Our defense in the infield will be pretty good. Fielder's errors will go down with Rolen across the diamond. JJ is solid. Rickie has improved big time.

 

I'd be pretty happy if this is true.

[aracko]

Yeah - I am for Braun staying at 3rd, but if you get a chance to add a gold glover I guess you have to do it.

 

That side of the infield would be amazing.

[patrickgpe]

problem is that we are assuming braun can just walk into left field after a month of spring training and be good. We tried this last year and it took a while for Hall to get conformable. I am leary about this.

[Oldcity]

problem is that we are assuming braun can just walk into left field after a month of spring training and be good. We tried this last year and it took a while for Hall to get conformable. I am leary about this.

It's a lot better than assuming Braun can just walk into third base and be good.

 

[trwi7]

problem is that we are assuming braun can just walk into left field after a month of spring training and be good. We tried this last year and it took a while for Hall to get conformable. I am leary about this.

 

You're comparing CF to LF. Guys like Pat Burrell, Adam Dunn, Manny Ramirez, Barry Bonds, Chris Duncan and Carlos Lee can play LF. Braun is a better athlete than all of them I don't see it being a problem.

[patrickgpe]

that may be true, and i agree that lf is easier to play than cf. I also understand that he may never figure out 3rd. I am just saying that its not as easy as one would think just to grab an OF's glove and play a good left. He very well may figure it out during spring training, but we can't be assured of that.

[trwi7]

that may be true, and i agree that lf is easier to play than cf. I also understand that he may never figure out 3rd. I am just saying that its not as easy as one would think just to grab an OF's glove and play a good left. He very well may figure it out during spring training, but we can't be assured of that.

 

It's not that hard to play LF, much easier than 3B and we know Braun is going to be a butcher there. So why not add a GG defender at a more premium defensive spot?

[RyDogg66]

that may be true, and i agree that lf is easier to play than cf. I also understand that he may never figure out 3rd. I am just saying that its not as easy as one would think just to grab an OF's glove and play a good left. He very well may figure it out during spring training, but we can't be assured of that.

What's there to figure out? Just stand out there and dont look as bad as Mench or Carlos Lee.

 

[sbrylski]

that may be true, and i agree that lf is easier to play than cf. I also understand that he may never figure out 3rd. I am just saying that its not as easy as one would think just to grab an OF's glove and play a good left. He very well may figure it out during spring training, but we can't be assured of that.

What's there to figure out? Just stand out there and dont look as bad as Mench or Carlos Lee.

 

It's not the flyballs that would be tricky, its the liners. (I'd imagine.) You can look quite foolish out there if you've only taken a few weeks of hard, 290 foot line drives right at you, trying to judge the distance, curve, and speed. If he runs in and the ball sails over his head, or he stays in place and it curves past him into the corner, athleticism won't help.

 

[twobrewers]

I'd just like to throw in that Rolen for 3 year would really provide the Brewers with some extra time to groom their next 3B.

Mat Gamel is worse than Braun at 3B. But he is a great batter. Perhaps, in two full years in the minors at 3B - he might be able to take over for Rolen. He played last year at Brevard County. Likely to start in Huntsville this year.

Taylor Green is only 21. But he was the minor league player of the year for the Brewers. He has only played at West Virginia. So he has a long ways to go as well. Likely to play at Brevard County this year.

Just saying, Rolen would really fit into our "time frame" as well.

[patrickgpe]

said better than me. Also Ryan has never had to throw the ball 200-300 feet accurately to get an outfield assist. He may be able to, but has yet to do it in the bigs.

[jwill535]

as someone that has played 1st for the last 20 years its not as easy as it seems to go to from playing infield to outfield. As someone mentioned before judging fly balls isnt the hard thing(unless you are 60% of people that attend games in person, the ball isnt always a homer and its coming to your section) its the liners. To this day i am worthless to some extent playing the outfield, but if i practiced a whole year i guess i would be better. The arm issue is another thing, his arm is "trained" to throw to 1st, playing the outfield the distance is longer and the arm angle and the flight of the ball are going to be different.

[trwi7]

as someone that has played 1st for the last 20 years its not as easy as it seems to go to from playing infield to outfield. As someone mentioned before judging fly balls isnt the hard thing(unless you are 60% of people that attend games in person, the ball isnt always a homer and its coming to your section) its the liners. To this day i am worthless to some extent playing the outfield, but if i practiced a whole year i guess i would be better. The arm issue is another thing, his arm is "trained" to throw to 1st, playing the outfield the distance is longer and the arm angle and the flight of the ball are going to be different.

 

Maybe it's just me then. I played 1B/OF and had no problems getting good reads on the line drives. I must be a stellar defensive player, I'm up for a reserve role on an ML roster. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[fondybrewfan]

Man sometimes it gets hard to find all the topics people are talking about, I even looked in this topic and must ahve missed the Cappy for Reyes reference, O well I guess. A lot of rumors is a good thing

[Team Canada]

In case there was any confusion, there is another distinct Cappy for Reyes thread further down, although it was mentioned here.

[fondybrewfan]

Dang I have missed a lot of stuff

[brettac1]

Yeah, this and the Riske thread are kind of mixed up - the actual rumor for the Rolen trade is in that thread and not in this one.

[Oldcity]

Now that this is a confirmed rumor I'm really hoping this gets done. Estrada, Mench, Gwynn gone and Braun to left field? Could it get any better? (And yes, I realize Mench is very good against lefties, but I can't stand his approach and the Brewers would have plenty of righty bats).

[JJHardy7]

I want Braun to stay at 3B, but if we get Rolen I wouldn't be against it. The only fear I'd have is that Braun's offensive numbers would take a hit (not a dip). I think Braun might be up to the task, but I'd still be worried.