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Yeah, I mean other than 46 points of OBP and 105 points of slugging, there's not much difference.

The Hader trade also brought back Esteury Ruiz, who was traded for William Contreras and Joel Payamps. We also took on the salary of Rogers, Norris and Rosenthal at that same deadline so its not like they even saved a ton of money trading Hader in the first place.

King is good (70 ERA- | 73 FIP- last three years), but with only 219 IP over 90 relief appearances and 15 starts during that same stretch it will be a big risk trying to stretch him out to start full time if that is the Pads intention. Steamer has him projected at 17 relief appearances and 23 starts totaling 144 IP and 2.1 WAR. Peralta is already an established starter so Steamer projects hm for 29 GS totaling 165 IP and 3.3 WAR. With that extra year of control Freddy projects for about 9 to 10 WAR versus about 4, maybe 5 or 6 WAR if he takes to bring a full time starter for two years of King. Three cheap years of Freddy for one really expensive year of Soto would have been a huge overpay.

Bring Maldy home to backup Contreras until Quero is ready.

Pretty rare for contract extensions to pre-Arby players to be split evenly. They typically follow an increasing yearly structure... Wander Franco 1, 2, 2, 8, 15, 22, 25x5 years Luis Robert 1.5, 3.5, 6, 9.5, 12.5, 15 Corbin Carroll 1, 3, 5, 10, 10, 12, 14, 28x2 years Ronald Acuna 1, 1, 5, 15, 17x4 years

Current lineup is a free agent 1B away from being cromulent (2024 Steamer projections)... Yelich (116 wRC+) Chourio (93 wRC+) Contreras (120 wRC+) Hoskins (116 wRC+) Adames (103 wRC+) Black (104 wRC+) Frelick (103 wRC+) Taylor (95 wRC+) Turang (88 wRC+)

I’m not that high on Grissom, but sub him out for one of Spencer Schwellenbach, JR Ritchie or Owen Murphy and that’s in the neighborhood of what I’d be going for.

We'll ultimately see where Arnold & associates draw the line on Burnes valuation, but for me I would need one of the following as a headliner to be convinced, with current MLB Top 100 ranking... Kyle Harrison (SFG | #20), Colt Keith (DET | #25), Coby Mayo (BAL | #27), Andrew Painter (PHI | #28), Cade Horton (CHC | #29), Ricky Tiedemann (TOR | #31), Curtis Mead (TBR | #34), Tink Hence (STL | #42) or Mick Abel (PHI | #45). If the second piece is super intriguing I could maybe be talked into a headliner like... AJ Smith-Shawver (ATL | #53), Dylan Lesko (SDP | #63), Carson Whisenhut (SFG | #70), Gavin Stone (LAD | #79), Ben Brown (CHC | #86) or Emmet Sheehan (LAD | Graduated) So essentially one of the top dozen or so non-Paul Skenes pitching prospects or one of the top few positionally challenged power bats. About 40% of the guys listed above play for teams (DET, CHC, TBR, STL, SDP) that are probably fringe contenders to even deal for Burnes in the first place too.

This would be my preferred route. Sign someone like Hoskins, Garver, JDM, Belt, Turner for 1B/DH. Sign whichever SP the Brewers have the best intel on in that one year ten million or so price range. Explore trading one of Mitchell, Wiemer, Taylor for reinforcements elsewhere.

Over the last 70 years there have been 47 players who got at least 400 MLB PAs in their Age 20 season. Maybe they can offer some insight into what realistic expectations might be for Chourio? First lets start with that ZiPS projection mentioned up thread... 605 PA of 256/299/401 (91 OPS+) with 17 HR / 35 SB and 1.4 WAR Steamer comes in at 525 PA of 253/304/416 (93 wRC+) with 17 HR / 16 SB and 1.4 WAR. Both projections have conservative defensive projections around plus one, if he actually comes in closer to plus ten that would bump him up another win or so. So which past MLB 20 year old came in closest to that range? Looking at the list, probably Cesar Cedeno at 649 PA of 264/293/398 (94 wRC+) with 10 HR / 20 SB and 1.3 WAR. Over his Age 20 to 27 seasons he ended up with a 133 OPS+ and 40.4 WAR, throw in ages 28/29 and he totaled 47.5 WAR before hitting age 30. I think we'd all be happy with that kind of outcome for Jackson. For Chourio's minor league career he has hit 286/347/490, in his Age 20 season Carlos Correa hit 279/345/512 and totaled 3.4 WAR over only 432 PAs. If Jackson put up something like that over 550 PA you start pushing that 4.5 to 5.0 WAR territory depending how the defense shakes out. That would presumably be something like what he needs to do to put himself in the ROY conversation. Ideally, Chourio will come out of the gate smoking and not look back, but that is a low probability outcome. Odds are, he will likely struggle to some extent for some time before making adjustments to MLB pitching and improving his production as he matures into literal actual adulthood. And that's OK. Even guys at the bottom of the Age 20 leaderboard like Roberto Clemente (72 wRC+ | -0.9 WAR), Gary Sheffield (82 wRC+ | -0.4 WAR), Vlad Junior (106 wRC+ | -0.2 WAR), Robin Yount (72 wRC+ | 1.1 WAR), and even Hank Aaron (103 wRC+ | 1.2 WAR) himself weren't instant stars before legal drinking age either. Going back to that Age 20 leaderboard one last time, I think Jackson will beat his projections, but still fall short of his minor league batting line so I will go with something around what Adrian Beltre did with 614 PA of 275/352/428 (100 wRC+) and 15 HR / 18 SB shaking out to 3.4 WAR.

Cooper 2019-23: 111 wRC+ | 4.0 WAR Canha 2019-23: 125 wRC+ | 12.8 WAR Cooper has been about 14% worse than Canha over the last five seasons by wRC+. Cooper 2021-23: 109 wRC+ | 2.2 WAR Canha 2021-23: 118 wRC+ | 7.8 WAR Little closer if we narrow it down to the last three years, but Canha still has an 8 point edge in wRC+. There's also the concerning sign that Cooper went from a 129 wRC+ in 2021, to a 112 wRC+ in 2022, to a 96 wRC+ in 2023 versus Canha remaining more stable at 116, 126 and 111 the last three seasons.

Just like Jon Singleton was the Brewers first baseman for 23.

5/80, though ended up less than that (closer to $64M I believe) when he opted out of COVID year.

Believe $82M is the 3rd largest guarantee in Brewers history behind the Braun and Yelich extensions.

Mitchell totaled 64 G | 268 PA in 2021, followed that up with 96 G | 357 PA in 2022 and 27 G | 108 PA in 2023. He’s missed major time all three of his professional seasons due to injury.

Victor Robles hit 34 HR in 1,810 minor league PAs. one HR per every 53.24 PAs. Chourio has 47 HR in 1,211 minor league PAs, one HR per every 25.77 PAs.

Luis Robert is probably the closest comp among players with zero service time to have signed an extension, why no mention of him?

Before graduating from prospect status at age 22, Hiura was ranked #20, #17, and #6 by MLB, BA and BPro. His bat was viewed as “can’t miss” but his glove ultimately limited his perceived ceiling and prevented him from reaching the level of prospect status Jackson has achieved being consensus Top 3 at age 19. Of course, prospect status alone doesn’t guarantee future results in MLB, but college bat no glove second baseman and tooled up teenage CF are just two completely different profiles.

My understanding is if the Brewers make a QO, and Willy turns it down to sign a contact over $50M, the Brewers receive a pick between the end of the first round and Comp Round A.

thru 07/04 (288 PA) 247/303/396 (85 wRC+) 6.9 BB% | 21.5 K% post-07/04 (266 PA) 325/380/551 (144 wRC+) 7.9 BB% | 13.5 K% Using Jackson's full season stats for AA is probably selling him a little short considering the tacky balls used at the start of the season, that any 19 year old will likely struggle upon initial exposure to AA, and that he made such a remarkable turnaround as the season wore on.

Not sure how Gordon Ash plays into things, but I don't think either catcher needs to be moved any time soon. If Quero turns out legit behind the plate you can start him 90-100 games there with the remaining 60-70 going to Contreras plus another 70 or so at DH to round out his workload.

Yeah, even if the options are exercised it would be 3/48, so you essentially need to get at least five WAR just to break even. Eloy has 5.4 WAR for his entire career spread out over five years and 1,777 PAs. The odds of him staying healthy and consolidating similar value over the next three years has to be pretty low. Only three players put up five or more WAR while DH-ing from 2021-23…Ohtani (13.1), Yordan (6.8) and JDM (6.1).

Yeah, last year Yelich (20) and Contreras (29) started just under a third of the games at DH. If Quero pans out behind the dish, that opens up Contreras to DH more games. Depending how the various OF prospects play out could result in Yelich getting more DH time too. All those factors lead me to believe any DH addition would likely be on a one year deal, maybe someone like Brandon Belt.

Yup, Cot’s has OD payroll ranks going back to 2000. The cycles are pretty evident… Late Selig Years (2000-2004) 23rd, 23rd, 21st, 29th, 30th [332-447, 3rd worst in MLB over that span] Early Mark A Years (2005-2007) 27th, 24th, 20th [first .500 season in 13 years in 05, lost division by two games in 07] First Window (2008-15) 15th, 17th, 17th, 17th, 13th, 19th, 16th, 20th [343-305 from 08-11, then 307-341 from 12-15, spending didn’t buy squat in the back half] First Rebuild (2016-18) 30th, 30th, 26th [miss WC by 2 games in 2017, NLCS in 2018] Second Window (2019-23) 17th, 22nd (COVID), 19th, 19th, 20th [Stearns gone, Hader gone, Counsell gone, Woodruff gone] Whats so exciting about this offseason is there are justifiable reasons to push payroll, maintain the status quo, or make some deals to go into another hopefully quick rebuild. There are scenarios where they can cut salary and maybe still come out with a better team next year depending on the specifics of the deals and how the stable of young position players develops.

FanGraphs had 2/26, MLBTR said 3/39 in their predictions. Will be interesting to see where he ends up as a 33 year old not really catcher whose career high in PAs was 359 five years ago, though he almost topped it this year at 344. He’s also done the every other year thing since his 2019 breakout with seasonal wRC+ marks of 159, 43 (ok, it was 2020 whatever), 139, 98 and 138. But I guess your line will be extra volatile when you’re only getting a couple two tree hundred PAs a year. I’d maybe go 2/30, but wouldn’t want to give someone with that spotty of a track record on multiple fronts a three year deal to mostly DH.