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Trade Burnes, keep the rest. The team can contend without Burnes. They will still have a rotation with Woodruff-Peralta-Ashby-Houser-FA/Gasser/Rea/CRod. The Burnes Arby saved ($16M) can be used elsewhere to strengthen the team (Bat). A healthy Mitchell added to a more developed Frelick-Wiemer-Turang with Black-Chourio & Quero added throughout the year should improve the defense, speed, and offense. Adding a power bat to the lineup (3B/1B) thru FA or trade should be the priority. Maybe they can trade a couple of their top prospects for a controlled 3B, then get the prospects replaced with the Burnes trade. Trading Burnes, getting rid of Tellez-Caratini-Winker-Taylor-Urias pays for the Arby increases of Woodruff-Adames-Williams, salary increases of Peralta-Ashby and still leaves room to add a $15-20M FA and still enter next year with a payroll similar to the OD ‘23 payroll.

Absofrigginglutely. Considering market-size, this ownership group is outstanding, and Mark Attanasio, specifically, just a wonderful owner. His skill level in hiring the right talent to lead this franchise has been incredible. He was smart enough to recognize a generational talent in Stearns and in retaining another in Arnold. The criticism this team gets from some is outrageous. This team, thanks to MA and his hires, now have an infrastructure in place to win a championship/championships over the next decade. This last draft-class is a preview of what’s ahead.

Quero back! Great news. Hope he can hit the ground running.

Arnold isn’t going anywhere.

This team is now like Tampa — next man up. The systems are in place, like at Tampa, for the quality infrastructure train to keep rolling along. Mike Groopman gets poached, Klentak gets hired, and the last 2 IFA classes were arguably their best back-to-back classes in team history. Not concerned in the least.

The future of this team is incredible, with their worst team of the rest of this decade being next season, and even next season they will contend if they hold Adames & Woodruff for the picks, and trade Burnes. The combination of an elite infrastructure, FO, strong farm and good big-league team with a nice young core assures this of happening, imo. Next year — A rotation of Woodruff-Peralta-Ashby-Houser Rea-Gasser-Miley?/FA along with a Williams-Payamps-Peguero-Uribe-Milner bullpen gives the team a championship-type pitching-staff to contend even with a young & dynamic positional core, outside of Yelich-Adames-Contreras, that’s still developing. ’25 — we get 4 of the top 35 picks in the draft along with the pool money that comes with it giving the team yet another potential franchise-altering draft (‘23 being the other) just adding to the strength of the ‘28-‘30 teams. The ‘25 team positionally, should be developed to the point it will overcome the losses of Adames & Woodruff in the rotation and possibly the trading of Williams at the deadline, with the team also saving enough salary to add a FA pitcher or 2 to go with Peralta-Ashby-Gasser-CRod-Blaylock-Misiorowski. ’26 is where the fun really begins with the maturation of Turang-Wiemer-Frelick-Black taking hold and the overwhelming talent of Chourio-Quero making this the fastest, most exciting team in baseball, with a young stable of arms that can pitch.

An ascending Adames in the box the rest of this year and this team runs away with the central.

This organization’s positional talent at the DSL, Arizona & Carolina is quite extraordinary. I’ve been following the team’s minor-league play for half a century and I’ve never seen the numbers of hitting talent like they have right now. Adding a couple of power bats from this last draft (Wilken & Bitonti) with a couple more future potentials in Boeve & Pratt helps put a dent in one of the biggest organizational weaknesses— lack of power bats. Another draft with a couple of power bats added (dream scenario: SS & OF),a Burnes trade? (Stud positional added) and this farms positionals could stack-up with the best systems in baseball.

No, because we shouldn’t be trading two (2) future mid-rotation arms for bullpen help — ever. This team needs help offensively, not in the bullpen.

Boeve was mentioned and he hasn’t signed yet. I’m going to assume the team is signing their first 11 picks. I’ve read a number of evaluators that think Pratt can remain a SS because of his extraordinary body control. It’ll be interesting to see if he can stay at short.

No idea why Bitonti isn’t talked about as the team’s 3B of the future? He profiles as a good fielding 3B with power and a cannon arm. I think realistically, it’s between Adams and him at 3B, long-term.

If the team can eventually get power from Boeve, and get Bitonti to hit spin, they should get 4 positionals to the bigs with impact. Big ifs, but it’ll be fascinating to monitor moving-forward.

6’ 4”, 6’ 5”, 6’ 4”, 6’ 2”, big-time size added to the corner IF. 5 of the top 80 amateur prospects in the country added. Power bats added, power arms added. If Johnson & co. pull this one off starting with the 18th pick, wow, just wow.

This is nuts. Quero’s trajectory is the top catching prospect in baseball and eventual top 10 prospect in the game, which makes him untouchable just like Chourio. Adding Goldschmidt/Alonzo pretty much forces the team to go for it next year as well, which eliminates getting top prospect talent for the big 3 through trades.

I’m not talking about the Reds of the last 12 games, I’m talking about the Reds post-winning streak. They have THE MOST athletic and fast team in baseball, more so than Arizona. They have incredible positional depth, and versatility. Their lineup has no weakness. They can limit Greene’s innings if they want to and Abbott’s as well, especially if they decide to trade for 1-2 of Bieber-Giolito-Lynn-Scherzer-Verlander. They have so much prospect IF depth in their farm, they can get multiples of any pitchers they want put up for sale at the deadline. Their depth is such they won’t be mortgaging their farm.

They only need to get to the deadline near 1st place and Krall has already said they would add the pitching they would need to win the central. They have the prospect capital, especially IF, where they can add multiple starters and bullpen arms. A Bieber and a Giolito would make their rotation as strong as any in the game when added to Greene-Abbott and a September Lodolo. Add a Chapman to the bullpen and that team could win the World Series.

Great news on Hiura. Now let’s see what the lab/PDS can do with Lauer.

Sorta agree with your ranking. The combination of young core (Contreras-Turang-Mitchell-Wiemer-Frelick-Peralta-Ashby-Williams) strong farm system and tradeable assets will form the team to beat from ‘26-‘28+. 2024 & ‘25 likely belong to the Reds, who are ahead of us in prospect development. The Pirates have to prove they can develop pitching first to win me over. The Cardinals farm is devoid of impactful pitching just like their big-league team. The Cubbies are a sleeping giant due to their trillions and will probably pose the biggest threat along with Cincinnati to the Brewers over the next half-decade. The Brewers need to put up Burnes at the trade-deadline and make him available to the highest bidder because he would be the most sought after player available and return 2-3 eventual starters, 1-2 of them impactful. Woodruff probably won’t have enough time to show the baseball world he’s strong and healthy so he probably should be held until the offseason, the same with Adames, unless the LAD make a huge offer. With that said, depending on what happens over the next 6 weeks, the team can sell-off more than Burnes and reset for ‘25, just sell Burnes and stand pat in hopes of winning the central with a rotation of Woodruff-Peralta-Miley-Teheran-Rea-Gasser-Houser, or trade mid-levels for a bat upgrade. And this offseason trade Woodruff, Adames, Urias, Tellez and Houser and instantly have the best farm in baseball, develop in ‘24 and ‘25 and with some good fortune start winning again in ‘25.

And next year adding Baz. Maybe Sternburg takes on the salary in an attempt to win the WS and get the new stadium built. The Rays sure have a nice system from which to choose from.

Manzardo & Williams plus sounds good to me. 6-7 years of a better hitting Willie Adames at SS and great bat 1B. Just don’t think Tampa would be a realistic trade partner for Burnes. I don’t think they would get into a bidding war for Burnes, at least not like the Padres, Rangers, Jays, Mets or Phillies might.

Power bats & power arms please. 2 of each thru the first 4 rounds should do it.

Jon Daniels is long-gone from that organization and Chris Young isn’t going to not trade with Cleveland because of one bad trade. My guess is with deGrom having TJ, Texas will want a 1st/2nd game playoff starter and Bieber fits the bill. But so does Burnes.

Miller is batting practice. They need to DFA him and give the roster spot to Andrews and get a better arm on the shuttle and one with a along-term future as well.

Yes Bieber is close, but no cigar. Upside with Burnes is higher. Wheeler is 33 and past prime.

deGrom’s TJ, Menoha’s optioning to the Blue jays pitching lab, the tremendous amount of teams that will likely be in playoff contention/WS contention will make a trade of Burnes too good to pass up, imo. There will be no-one with as much value as him, no-one that will get teams to overpay like him. The team has already shown they are willing to move a great player having a down year if the return can potentially get player/players that can help now and the future. If Texas offered Duran, White & Porter for Burnes can we say no? If SD offered Merrill & Lesco plus plus? Toronto Tiedemann plus plus plus?