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I'm guessing the thinking would be a competitor like Woodruff wouldn't be able to help it and push it vs either team. More adrenaline, reaching back for a bit extra before he's all the way back, stressing the shoulder when he's NEARLY ready...seems like the risk outweighs the reward. Gasser on the other hand...I guess the thought has to be about the rule 5 and how much a start now is worth vs putting him on the 40 man? There's a lot more to balance than just calling up the best available. Maybe that's why Jarvis was pulled from his start. Incase they needed to over some innings.

I remember there were a lot of Brewers fans who liked Jackson...not that it ever came to fruition, but also that the D-backs paid a steep price. It wasn't just Scherzer, Schlereth looked like he was going to be a really nice BP arm as well. I'm starting to wonder if the Dodgers have dominated the NL West more because the teams around them seem to make so many stupid trades...the Padres in their desperation haved traded a full roster of young, controllable talent away for expensive talent, the Rockies...as one exec put it, "live in their own wolld," and the D-backs, probably the best run team, they've made their far share of head-scratching moves as well. The D-backs and Rox seem to aim their ire at the NL Central, but the Padres are equal opportunity idiots. The Giants seem run well enough. Even when Sabean was there and making what seemed like suspect deals, there at least seemed to be a method to their madness of acquiring aging veteran, but it worked.

I'm find with moving him to AAA, I just don't think THAT is necessary. Let him put up silly numbers, keep him in a place he's comfortable and...just unleash him on the Southern League. I'm not sure when the AA and AAA playoffs are, but if Nashville makes the post-season, move him up then, but I honestly don't think it matters. I think it's good for him to just...crush AA pitching for a while. Especially if we're all thinking sometime around next June(or earlier if they actually can pull off the big extension right away). I just don't think you're pushed more from AA to AAA. The big jumps are AA and AAA. I don't really have much conviction in that opinion however. I'll trust they do what's best for him...but again, if that means he's not up until 2026, then something has gone VERY wrong beyond just a higher that ideal chase rate.

I think the only thing holding Black back is the lack of a long term home. It doesn't totally make sense to me as he looks like he can play a very clean 3B. Not spectacular, not a big arm, but enough. His arm is accurate, he's got a quick first step, he's very good coming in on the ball. But it feels like that scouting report gets written and then it's carved in stone. If he had a 60 arm, I think he'd be a top 30 prospect right around Marte from Cincy. AS for Gasser, I saw his FB was topping out at 97, but in the 94-96 range. The scouting reports say 91-94 topping out at 96 with a plus slider and then two inconsistent pitchers. The delivery looks deceptive, but from what I can tell, they're saying he needs to develop the change and curve a bit more so righties don't tea off on him. That makes more sense at 92-93. Rodriguez looks like he has pretty similar velo, but that change is particularly nasty. And if the slider turns out to be a 60 grade pitch...that's a pretty nice combo to fill out a rotation.

Wow...that's wild. Maybe Giannis gets in on the professional Soccer craze and brings a team here! Mark A buys a team, Giannis loves the sport...hopefuly Jordan Love earns a payday where he can invest! I had no idea Milwaukee was such a Soccer city.

I'm just curious why you're stuck on him spending the whole season in AAA next year irrespective of what he actually does? How about this for a novel idea. We let him finish the year in AA, maybe promote him to AAA at the end of the year if they're in the playoffs or whatever. Start him in AAA next year and...see how he does. If he does as expected, and he's raking...and I think he will be, you promote him, try to extend him as you do with phenoms of his caliber. I don't understand why we'd structure this in such a contrived manner. If he's NOT hitting, then you DON'T promote him. It's pretty cut and dry. But this is just creating a problem where none exists. You just come out of it looking TERRIBLE if you're holding back the #1 or #2 prospect in all of baseball because...Jimmy Nelson? Prince, Weeks, Braun...so many players spend a year in AA, then ~2 months in AAA and get called up. How's that not the ideal outcome?

You act like setting records for the Nashville sounds isn't a good reason! I honestly feel like Clancy throws things out there he hasn't completely thought through and then he needs to double down. How...Jimmy Nelson's shoulder injury plays into this is baffling. Keston Hiura is not Jackson Chourio. I...I'm just speechless.

I've been waiting for someone who likes doing these deep digs to go through all the Padres trades and come up with a team comprised of Padres prospects that were traded away. I know that bullpen would be...incredible. They still get to keep guys like Tatis. Prospects acquired for veterans they traded away. I bet THAT team would be ~100M cheaper and much better with an elite-elite farm system.

I don't particularly care, but I've seen people posting it on Twitter and different places. Anything that brings fans in and that's a VERY stupid thing, but it just shows some swagger and makes one of the dullest "plays" in baseball mildly entertaining. So I'm all for that. I'm all for Tatis. I hated when as a rookie, he hit a 2nd grand slam and he had to deal with the other team yelling at him, but our team as well. I love seeing personality in the game...and sometimes that includes the heels. A guy like Carlos Gomez or...every Cards player in the last 30 years. I don't really see it as showing up pitchers either. At least compared to any other sport. Guys do something, they celebrate and do whatever. I also remember when Griffey Jr was considered disrespectful for the backward hat in BP and things like that-that I thought benign.

Quero would be a total non-starter. Black...I wouldn't do it, but I could see why the Sox would want him in return and I don't think it's that unreasonable. But I'd prefer we just slide Black into the DH slot right now. Or 1B if that experiment goes well over the next few weeks. I think Black has a very high floor. At worst I think he's going to be a good OB guy who can play all over the field. 3B/2B/1B/CF/LF. If he hits .280 with his speed, versatility and the little power he provides, that's an extremely valuable player.

It's possible. Brown Jr is the one I'm fine trading given the depth of talent we've got there. Jiminez has been worth 5.7 WAR his ENTIRE career. We're 5 years in now. We need pitchers pretty badly with Burnes, Woodruff. I don't think it'd be a massive overpay, but I think people are still looking at him like the guy who was a top 3 prospects back to back years rather than the awful defender and...good but not great hitter.

I think that was just Jopal posting on the White Sox Forum.

Yophery Rodriguez has a better chance to make his debut in 2026 than Chourio does at it stands. There is absolutely zero reason to just put hm on ice for two full seasons at AAA. This would be akin to the O's keeping Adley Rutschman, Gunnar, Mayo, Westburg...etc...all in AAA just to try and line them up so they're all together and maximizing their value to the team. I also cannot imagine how poorly that'd play in recruiting the top Latin American players to sign with us. Someone, in a discussion about the draft, speculated the Brewers likely have a good reputation for prospects development. Imagine how put off players would be if they knew we had an MLB ready player at 20 years old and just had him sit in AAA for an EXTRA 2 years that we didn't need to so they could....get more of his prime? The plate discipline will come. He's 19. He'd likely be oru 3rd best hitter right now. 2026 is just silly based on where we're at right now.

I'm not understanding where or how you think they've gained "100 million extra" though?

People cannot seriously keep saying because of ONE pick, the Packers weren't sacrificing parts of the future to go all in and win a SB. The Packers spent about 90M more in players salaries last year than what the cap was. That's money that, one way or another, they'll have to account for in the future. Same the year before. How about the massive off-season spending when Gutey took over(when they also tried to sign Robinson). The absolutely sacrificed the future to help Rodgers win...and to be clear, Rodgers took his SECOND record setting deal before we drafted Love. So why would he sacrifice money to help his team win? Simple...because it looks good now. It makes him look like Brady. After being outrated when reports surfaced that he wanted to be the highest paid by a "significant margin," at 50M a year on a 4/200M deal...he signed a 3 year 158M deal, fully GTD. The Packers were doing as much as JUST about any other team to win now the last 2-3 years. The 2020 Love pick does not negate that.

He set a record for highest paid player in the NFL 3 times in his career. No, he was never doing them any favors. And that last contract, the one that kicked in right when they drafted Love, that ended up being a MUCH larger deal than the original record setting contract as they ended up voiding the final year of it....so that's why we're swimming in a 40M dollar dead cap hit. The Love part is really another sign of the pettiness IMO. If he's have just kept balling out, done anything financially to help the Packers, communicated with the FO directly rather than passive aggressively through his agent or then aggressive-aggressively during a ranting press conference and said he wanted to play "several more years," he'd still be the Packers QB, Adams would be here, maybe not Watson, but maybe Alec Pierce, whoever. It's all worked out fine, but he acts like there was this grand plan and I think the Packers just took the guy they thought was the best player. It's happened before to great QBs like Elway, Young, whoever...and it'll happen again. I'm really just kinda over him at this point. And I'll get over that in 4-5 years when he gets his jersey retired here.

We're guessing what the Brewers are making, but we have a pretty good idea what they're spending. It's closer to 140 on their payroll(*145 for the luxury tax). It's not 105. You're also not accounting for the ~11.5M they just spent on draft bonuses, the 6.5M on IFA bonuses, the money they're spending on the scouting department. You're just taking their payroll, you're shorting it by quite a bit, and then taking what the estimated revenue is and subtracting the two and saying Mark Attansio, who again, does not own even 50% of the team, is going to be clearly 150M dollars this year. That's...outrageous. I don't believe the Brewers will have a net revenue of 150M dollars this season, I don't believe they have a net revenue of 50M this year. I can't disprove it as...again, they don't disclose their finances, but I would be willing to bet it's closer to 1/10th of that. As for the NFL, those numbers are public. The Packers got nearly 380M to start last year just from TV money to start the league year. That's a wildly different set up than MLB has. ALL TV money is pooled and distributed. The only real advantage you have in the NFL is luxury boxes...which isn't subject to revenue sharing and then of course investments. And their salary cap is still being artificially suppressed due to the Covid-19 losses from '20. They're on a 4 year repayment plan, so the cap would be significantly higher than it is...(though I'm honestly not sure how this relates to the Brewers). Though the salary cap is more like a suggestion in the NFL than a hard cap. The Packers spent 310M last year on salaries I believe. You can always stay ahead of the cap if you have enough cash(not that it's a good idea, but you can as the Saints have shown or the Packers the last several years). The Bucks have 3 billionaires who own them. The Brewers have one guy who's not a billionaire who owns just under 40%(I believe it's in the high 30s). But none of this really matters when it comes to how the Brewers allocate their resources. I think you're wildly overestimating their net operating income.

I can't imagine that's much of an issue given Frelick has plenty of speed.

And a pre-emptive congratulations on the billion dollar megabucks!

That's all fair, but lets also keep in mind, this was a guy who we'd resigned ourself to being a .252/.355/.383 .738 OPS type hitter with poor LF defense just a year ago. I don't agree this is a sign of a team that's "this is the sign of selling this team goodbye franchise." Especially if that money is used for Chourio OR as I I think it's more of a sign of this is a team that wants to keep their young home grown stars and ensuring they're hear for the long haul and throughout their prime.... And I explain it very simply. We have 4 OFers who were top prospects and who are all VERY young, and the franchise wants to lock them up long term. But sure, that'd be a problem. You sign your young phenom to a 12 year deal(again, just using Julio Rodriguez deal)...I think that assuages some of those fans concerns. I guess you have to balance that against getting out from under the 136.5M Yelich is still owed in full and if you think we're an 70 win team without Yelich, we're a...what, 75 win team with him? I knew when I asked this was just about the worst time to float this idea. It's not going to happen if he struggles again. But, it's a poll...and I was looking for opinions, so thanks! I'd really hate doing it, but I'd be able to rationalize it(Especially if we we able to sign Woody for a year). But fans would have a reflexively angry response to it. But they're almost always angry and they were angry for being "stupid enough" to sign Yelich after the knee injury...when I believe it's his back that's caused the issue, which is another reason that I'D personally advocate for this. But...it would get your fanbase nice and pissed off coming off a big year. A year that's trending toward a 6 WAR season.

Right. I was thinking about the Julio Rodriguez deal. If you're giving him the standard 5-10M SB, then a 1M salary, 2M, 5M, then it jumps up to 15, 20, 25 and option years, does he have incentive to do that? He'll hit FA around 26-27(it would seem). And it's not just Chourio...though he's the most obvious. I want to go all in on this philosophy. I think they should try and sign all of them early, as I've said. Quero, Frelick, Wiemer, Turang...but they're obviously not all in the same position and they wouldn't all require anywhere near the same type of commitment.

Julio Rodriguez. I've seen SO many articles calling for Acuna Jr to hold out and wondering will he(all mention how exceptionally rare that is) because he signed such a terrible deal. For some reason, I don't see those about Albies. But I think Julio Rodriguez is probably a pretty good outline. 12/209 https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mariners/julio-rodriguez-23850/ The contract just blows up with the incentives. I'd stay away from that. But you see why there could be an issue with Yelich's contract. Rodriguez gets paid very early on here...BUT it also stays pretty flat. In 4-5 years, that 18M is going to look like an absolute drop in the bucket.

Maybe it'll help to reference Julio Rodriguez contract...which we may well come in under, but seems like it's probably a fairly decent comp for a player like Chourio. IF-IF we signed Chourio to a deal comparable to this, you'd have two OFers making a significant amount of money at the same time for the small market Brewers https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mariners/julio-rodriguez-23850/ And I did mention in my original post, this could be money we could MAYBE spend on a Woodruff extension since our OF would appear to be covered, but lets just keep this about Chourio and Yelich for now.

How are signing bonuses irrelevant? This isn't the NFL where teams are flush with cash. The Brewers operate on a limited budget. If they're going to pay out a 15M dollar signing bonus(just for example) that money has to come from that years budget. How can you say it's irrelevant? And I just gave you Julio Rodriguez's extension outline. His salary is 4M this year(with the SB=19) and then it's 10M next year and then the rest of his contract is 18M per year. Again, you're operating under the assumption that the contract would approximate what he'd make as he works his way through arbitration and...it's very unlikely it would. He's not going to make 1M for a few years, then 10/15/20 and then some 30M dollar years to buyout FA. Or at least we don't HAVE to structure it like that. He's a unique player. This isn't like a Peralta, Ashby type extension. The early money may be what convinces him to take that long term deal and it'd keep the backend of the deal VERY reasonably priced. So if it were to be structured anything like Yelich, by ~26(which will not be his first year up) he'd be making 18M and Yelich would have 3 more years at 26M(22 cash, the rest deferred). And of course there's just the simple fact that a team like the Brewers are going to be more apt to make an aggressive offer early on if they DON'T have a player who plays the same position making similar money as Yelich in his final 3-4 years of the deal. Again, I understand if people just want to keep Yelich as it looks like he's turned a corner(which is a fairly substantial risk with his back injuries and his age) and just don't want to trade him. But that's 130M dollars the Brewers are currently on the hook to spend that they wouldn't be if they traded him. Of COURSE the two have some relation....

That's...just not true. It's likely to cost a significant amount to get him to sign. Julio Rodriguez in his 12/209M extension got 15M in a signing bonus, 4M this year, 10 next year and then 18M per each year of what would be his arbitration. That's likely a big part of the reason he agreed to sign. Because the money wasn't all backloaded. So I don't see how you can say the money we'll be paying Yelich through...what, 2042, has "zero impact" on Chourio. You're using the typical service time salaries and...that's just not likely how you're going to be able to sign Chourio. There's also the fact that...as Chourio is going to get expensive, Yelich will be expensive and in his late 30s. So THAT is also going to impact a Chourio contract. And that's not even discussing possible extensions for others who it may be a good idea to dangle a little signing bonus to entire them to sign like Quero. The Brewers have a finite amount of money, so OBVIOUSLY if they save some from one area, it can help them reallocate that money to another area. Sure, maybe the Brewers can do both. Saying it has "zero impact?" That's just not true. Finally...isn't the entire financial ideology of the Brewers to sell high? Before this year, I saw arguments that there was no way the Brewers could get out from under his deal, -160M in surplus by one poster going back and looking at it. Anyway, I made my case. If people don't want to, I respect that. Not like it actually matters as it's just a opinion poll. But of course it impacts how else we allocate our limited resources.