2022 NFL Discussion Thread

[HarryDoyle]

So I see Brandon Staley decided to go for it on fourth down on their own 8 yard line and of course it failed and gave the 49ers an easy field goal. That guy is something else. There's a fine line between being aggressive and being reckless and Staley long jumps over it. The Chargers are the ultimate underachievers and their coach is a huge reason why.

[homer]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

So I see Brandon Staley decided to go for it on fourth down on their own 8 yard line and of course it failed and gave the 49ers an easy field goal. That guy is something else. There's a fine line between being aggressive and being reckless and Staley long jumps over it. The Chargers are the ultimate underachievers and their coach is a huge reason why.

there was something like 1:20 left in the game

[CheezWizHed]

So for someone not paying attention at all to the situation in Indy and only knowing Saturday from the time he played with the Packers... What makes him unqualified to coach?  

Unexperienced? That I understand.  Others more qualified?  Yes, that I understand. 

But what makes him unqualified to coach? 

He always came off as a smart person that understood the game and provided a level of leadership in the locker room. 

[MrTPlush]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

So for someone not paying attention at all to the situation in Indy and only knowing Saturday from the time he played with the Packers... What makes him unqualified to coach?  

Unexperienced? That I understand.  Others more qualified?  Yes, that I understand. 

But what makes him unqualified to coach? 

He always came off as a smart person that understood the game and provided a level of leadership in the locker room. 

He really hasn't had any professional coaching experience. To have zero coaching experience and then be named the HC is pretty unusual. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

10 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

He really hasn't had any professional coaching experience. To have zero coaching experience and then be named the HC is pretty unusual. 

Happens all the time in the NBA and at times in MLB with former players, and not just giving them an interim assignment to wade through a lost season.  

I think sometimes people forget that football actually doesn't have to be rocket science-level difficult to grasp and that a head coach doesn't necessarily have to spend his/her entire adult life hiding from their family watching film at the team facility to satisfy the "experience" quotient in order to become an effective HC.  Oftentimes, guys who are that scheme-heavy don't have the other bonafides that factor into a HC actually being good in that role on the sidelines.  

Not to say Saturday is destined to be a great head coach just because he played a long time in the NFL with Peyton Manning for teams led by Dungy....but that shouldn't be discounted compared to a bunch of guys huddled in a D2 college dorm drawing up plays all night long because they weren't athletic enough to be players - which seems to be the prevailing starting point for many new NFL coaching hires in the last 5 years.  And Saturday has already emphasized that his is an interim hire and he expects the Colts to spend alot more time finding their full time HC and staff in the offseason - the way NFL teams who make in-season coach firings do. 

This is making news because the Colts simply didn't give the interim job to one of their assistants on the staff - which is a surprise given the fact both John Fox and Gus Bradley are on it (two NFL dinosaurs with previous head coaching experience).  That being said, I can see the point of not giving one of them the interim gig if team ownership doesn't want to consider them for the permanent HC hire in 2023.

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

He really hasn't had any professional coaching experience. To have zero coaching experience and then be named the HC is pretty unusual. 

Unusual yes.  Unqualified no...  He is obviously was coaching prior to the promo.  He was very much a team leader when playing and spent a LOT of time in locker rooms and practice.  As @Fear The Chorizo was getting at, sometimes that is more valuable than starting your career as a quality control assistant (or a D-II OC or whatever).  

Not saying he is destined for HOF as a coach, but I have to imagine he has enough experience and shown enough leadership to run the show until the EOY.  Especially if the OC and DC are running their parts of the team and he just coordinates everything...that is probably less churn in the team dynamics.

[MrTPlush]

I don’t really care that they hired Saturday. If I was a Colts fan I’d be a little concerned my owner is trying to run a clown show…but as far as ethical and right…doesn’t matter to me.

I wouldn’t go comparing this to an MLB or NFL coach. MLB is pretty straight forward and the NBA there are 5-7 players and it is pretty much autopilot to coach. Football has way more moving parts, way more injuries, and 50+ players at any given time. Yah, lot of coaches under them…but that’s just another thing to keep tabs on.

Colts can do what they want. It’s a pretty strange hire and definitely far from normal…but not like it is Antonio Brown. Saturday always seemed like a good dude.

[UpandIn]

13 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

I don’t really care that they hired Saturday. If I was a Colts fan I’d be a little concerned my owner is trying to run a clown show…but as far as ethical and right…doesn’t matter to me.

I wouldn’t go comparing this to an MLB or NFL coach. MLB is pretty straight forward and the NBA there are 5-7 players and it is pretty much autopilot to coach. Football has way more moving parts, way more injuries, and 50+ players at any given time. Yah, lot of coaches under them…but that’s just another thing to keep tabs on.

Colts can do what they want. It’s a pretty strange hire and definitely far from normal…but not like it is Antonio Brown. Saturday always seemed like a good dude.

Yeah, all of this. Head Coaches spend 100+ hours in the NFL working on a game plan each week and a LOT more goes into it than NBA or MLB. 

I don't have a big problem with it either, but I think it's kinda silly. McAfee said that Irsay reached out to 3 other players as well. So this feels like a publicity thing. 

Saturday doesn't want this job full time, right? He had a cushy TV job, he made plenty of money. Now the stress, the OTAs and the Mini-camps you have to plan out down to the second, the open workouts, the roster building...all that ****. 

[UpandIn]

By the way...I'm not sure if I missed this or what, but why the hell did the Panthers turn down TWO 1sts+ a 2nd for Brian Burns from the Rams? The Rams who...if they keep doing what they're doing, those two 1sts could both be top 10 picks...while you'll now be paying Burns a MASSIVE new deal because you just turned down 2 1sts PLUS a 2nd for him.

 

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The Rams offered two first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to the Panthers for standout pass-rusher Brian Burns, only for Carolina to decline the offer, sources told ESPN.

We know they turned down a 1st rounder for DJ Moore from up(thank you). 

So instead of a top 15 pick this year(most likely) from us, and then 2 top 15 picks in the next two years(Rams don't have their 1st this year I don't think...still going to the Lions). And then a pick around 45, PLUS what will probably be top 10 picks for themselves. 

That's crazy. 45M on the cap a year for those two players. I think I'd do this if I was the Packers and had Gary and we weren't competitive. Hell, if he gets healthy next year and looks like the same player...we might wanna do that at that point anyway. 

[CheezWizHed]

Antonio Brown continues to show himself a moron.  Brady texts him a difficult text that still shows concern and Brown tweets it thinking he will embarrass Brady.  All he did was prove Brady right.

[HarryDoyle]

The good news is Dallas is beating the Vikings. The bad news is Dallas is beating the Vikings.

[homer]

I think the Bears are regretting giving Justin Fields so many rushing attempts. Dude was bound to get hurt. 

[madbad2000]

39 minutes ago, homer said:

I think the Bears are regretting giving Justin Fields so many rushing attempts. Dude was bound to get hurt. 

I'm not sure.  They have seen what he can do now and he likely convinced them he is the long term QB.  Now have him rest up the rest of the year, essentially tank, and evaluate the rest of the roster for long term pieces.   Attack free agency and the draft again and hopefully sustain success with their picks similar to this year. 

[homer]

6 minutes ago, madbad2000 said:

I'm not sure.  They have seen what he can do now and he likely convinced them he is the long term QB.  Now have him rest up the rest of the year, essentially tank, and evaluate the rest of the roster for long term pieces.   Attack free agency and the draft again and hopefully sustain success with their picks similar to this year. 

but success means running him 15 + times a game. He will never play a full season 

[HarryDoyle]

Melvin Gordon waived by Denver. His fumbling issues finally caught up with him.

[homer]

Detroit scored two touchdowns on drives where they successfully went for it on 4th down. 

[HarryDoyle]

Nathan "five interceptions in one half" Peterman is starting for the Bears today.

[HarryDoyle]

Boy, you can already see the Jets are playing harder for their new quarterback.

[homer]

On 11/14/2022 at 12:07 PM, jerichoholicninja said:

As stupid as a hire I think he is, I'd love to see Saturday and the Colts take their division and make the playoffs just to shove it in the faces of the media.

Last night didn't help.

[jerichoholicninja]

There's no doubt the NFL has and continues to change the game to make it favorable for the offense and especially QB's. Despite that, why are there so many bad QB's and do so many teams struggle to develop highly drafted QB's?

[endaround]

10 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

There's no doubt the NFL has and continues to change the game to make it favorable for the offense and especially QB's. Despite that, why are there so many bad QB's and do so many teams struggle to develop highly drafted QB's?

This is just not true.  There are more really good QBs right now than at anytime that I can remember.

[GAME05]

5 hours ago, endaround said:

This is just not true.  There are more really good QBs right now than at anytime that I can remember.

Jimmy Garoppolo has a better career QB Rating than Joe Montana. Obviously one is still the better QB than the other, though I think it still speaks to your point.

[adambr2]

Re: Patriots

 

Mac Jones ain't it. 

[UpandIn]

6 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Re: Patriots

 

Mac Jones ain't it. 

Or...he is it and having coaches who've never called plays actually matters?

It was like BB just wanted to put him in position to fail this year, so he never got a big head like Brady and ever thought to leave him.

QB play in the NFL is just...off the charts compared to any other time. The rules so they don't get hurt, the development, longer careers. 

I love Rodgers, and there are DOZENS of plays that would make my point, but Rodger would NOT stay in this game...or play for 5 years following it;

Pre-season GAME-about 30 seconds in;

 

[jerichoholicninja]

20 hours ago, GAME05 said:

Jimmy Garoppolo has a better career QB Rating than Joe Montana. Obviously one is still the better QB than the other, though I think it still speaks to your point.

Is that because Jimmy G is so good or because the league has tilted the game so far in the offense's favor it makes him look a lot better than he really is?