2022 NFL Discussion Thread

[CheezWizHed]

9 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Is that because Jimmy G is so good or because the league has tilted the game so far in the offense's favor it makes him look a lot better than he really is?

 

You guys are saying the same thing. No one is saying Jimmy G is actually better than Joe Montana. 

[HarryDoyle]

Another example of why stats are meaningless.

[HarveysWBs]

The 49ers are about to be a test case for just how far a talented team can go with a complete scrub under center.

Should be interesting.

[nate82]

57 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

The 49ers are about to be a test case for just how far a talented team can go with a complete scrub under center.

Should be interesting.

Trent Dilfer?

[MrTPlush]

The Colts just put on one of the saddest displays of football I may have ever witnessed.

[HarveysWBs]

12 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

The Colts just put on one of the saddest displays of football I may have ever witnessed.

It is kind of my nightmare that Green Bay soon turns into Indy.  Indy goes Manning to Luck and looks highly competent, but have since cycled through coaches and QBs and are an abject dumpster fire, even in a comically weak division.  Hideous.

[sveumrules]

On 12/3/2022 at 8:38 AM, HarryDoyle said:

Another example of why stats are meaningless.

Everything is meaningless without context.

Jimmy G’s two best years as a starter were 2019 (102 Rate) and this year (103 Rate entering the game). Compared to league average those seasons come in at 113 and 118 Rate+.

Montana had primary starter seasonal Rate+ marks of 149, 136, 134, 124 and 122 (twice). His “down” years as a primary starter came in at 118, 117, 114, and then a 107 Rate+ in his final season.

[MrTPlush]

11 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

It is kind of my nightmare that Green Bay soon turns into Indy.  Indy goes Manning to Luck and looks highly competent, but have since cycled through coaches and QBs and are an abject dumpster fire, even in a comically weak division.  Hideous.

Well part of that is the fact they keep picking up veteran QBs to make sure they aren't some 4 win team, but at the same time have zero shot at actually winning playoff games. They are just shooting themselves in the foot by ruining their draft position and not finding an actual QB for the future. They are trying to ignore the inevitable and they are just wasting years and years of time. 

If they lose Rodgers, the Packers at least have Love and are putting their eggs into a hopeful young QB. 

[homer]

The Titans fired their GM despite the fact that they are leading the AFC South. He was under contract until 2027 so he gets to sip margaritas and get paid for four years. Guess the AJ Brown tweets really did have an impact.

[HarryDoyle]

On 12/6/2022 at 12:21 PM, homer said:

The Titans fired their GM despite the fact that they are leading the AFC South. He was under contract until 2027 so he gets to sip margaritas and get paid for four years. Guess the AJ Brown tweets really did have an impact.

That, and he has bombed on some first round draft picks, e. g., Isaiah Wilson, Caleb Farley. He's also had some bad drafts overall. But yes, A.J. Brown going off on them on Sunday was the final nail in the coffin.

[HarryDoyle]

 

[HarryDoyle]

So not only do the Lions have an explosive offense, their defense went from being historically bad to better than the Packers' in a matter of six weeks.

[GAME05]

When I saw the Amari Rodgers TD I thought for a long time it was our old Tight End. Too many Rodgersssss to keep track of.

[GAME05]

9 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

So not only do the Lions have an explosive offense, their defense went from being historically bad to better than the Packers' in a matter of six weeks.

It'll be interesting what they decide to do for the draft. I feel like they need a QB even if they have to trade up for one.

[HarryDoyle]

4 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

It'll be interesting what they decide to do for the draft. I feel like they need a QB even if they have to trade up for one.

Well, there's rumors flying around now that Love wants to be traded if he's not the man next year. Either way, Gute needs to draft offense in the first round for once and really at least the first three rounds. The defense has all the talent to be a top 10 unit. They just need to get some competent coaching on that side of the ball, which feels like a hopeless cause.

[UpandIn]

10 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Well, there's rumors flying around now that Love wants to be traded if he's not the man next year. Either way, Gute needs to draft offense in the first round for once and really at least the first three rounds. The defense has all the talent to be a top 10 unit. They just need to get some competent coaching on that side of the ball, which feels like a hopeless cause.

The offense and defense are both kinda in the same places talent wise now with the Gary injury. At least if you think Watson and Doubs are a #1 and #2 WRer. 

Edge, WRer, LT, DE...and even CB are positions I'd take prioritize. Douglas had a good run  last year, but I don't think he's a starting CB. Maybe...if you hire Leonhard, he can play safety. That 3rd safety that is kinda a permanent robber in the middle of the field and then comes down into the box vs the run. Seems like the best use of his talents. 

It would be a LOT of fun to get another big, freak WRer and just go with a big goon squad of Lazard, Watson, Johnston. Or...whatever, just another young stud WRer like Addison. They don't all have to be the size of a small forward. 

 

You're right though, the D should be a lot better with the players. Pretty much everyone knows what 

 

 

[UpandIn]

35 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Well, there's rumors flying around now that Love wants to be traded if he's not the man next year. Either way, Gute needs to draft offense in the first round for once and really at least the first three rounds. The defense has all the talent to be a top 10 unit. They just need to get some competent coaching on that side of the ball, which feels like a hopeless cause.

Oh...and I'd politely refuse Mr. Love's request to explore a relationship with another team. We didn't waste our best years on him for him to go find a younger team with more money. 

He can sit there in a playless 2023 and deal with it. They've already said they're picking up his 5th year...kinda.

Rodgers apparently requested a trade himself. Or his team/agents did...

He looked good, but...C'mon. 9 passes? I'd hope he wants to play, but...sorry kid, this is what happens when you come out a year earlier than you should have from Utah State. You sit and wait until the team thinks you're ready. 

[UpandIn]

54 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

It'll be interesting what they decide to do for the draft. I feel like they need a QB even if they have to trade up for one.

That SEEMS like the obvious choice...but is it? 

We're seeing the 49ers just stack talent all over the field. Imagine how good they'd be if they'd have just drafted the best players available instead of trading the 12th, a 3rd rounder, last years 1st and next years 1st all for a QB that isn't even helping them?

I saw one mock that had the Lions taking Jalen Carter and Joey Porter Jr. 

They've got a great OL, WRers, TE...that'd give them a 2nd premiere pass rusher and they've got a big, physical CB. We've seen maybe the most talented QB ever on our team and we've won ONCE. Brady on the other hand has been on just really well coached teams that play hard, play smart and he's got 7 rings(over the course of 4 decades or so, but still, pretty good). 

Is it really that crazy of them to just stick with Goff, pay him 35M a year instead of the 50 the top QBs make and keep stacking the 21 other players around him?

Or...they could always take a guy like Anthony Richardson. He's 6'4 240, runs like Lamar and has a HUGE arm. You hedge your bets. Maybe you get that huge talent at QB, but you don't give up multiple 1sts to go get him. 

 

It makes the most sense to draft the QB now, but...I wonder if they buck the trend?

[HarryDoyle]

Vikings fans seem to be apoplectic with Ed Donatell. Maybe they would like to swap DCs with us?

[yourout]

2 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Vikings fans seem to be apoplectic with Ed Donatell. Maybe they would like to swap DCs with us?

We'd have to give them draft picks along with Barry just to get rid of him.

[yourout]

1 hour ago, UpandIn said:

The offense and defense are both kinda in the same places talent wise now with the Gary injury. At least if you think Watson and Doubs are a #1 and #2 WRer. 

Edge, WRer, LT, DE...and even CB are positions I'd take prioritize. Douglas had a good run  last year, but I don't think he's a starting CB. Maybe...if you hire Leonhard, he can play safety. That 3rd safety that is kinda a permanent robber in the middle of the field and then comes down into the box vs the run. Seems like the best use of his talents. 

It would be a LOT of fun to get another big, freak WRer and just go with a big goon squad of Lazard, Watson, Johnston. Or...whatever, just another young stud WRer like Addison. They don't all have to be the size of a small forward. 

 

You're right though, the D should be a lot better with the players. Pretty much everyone knows what 

 

 

While it may not be the first pick in the draft safety has to be a priority next year.

That would actually be the best place to Target a free agent if the money would work

[HarryDoyle]

Remember when Brian Daboll was a lock for Coach of the Year?

[adambr2]

5 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Oh...and I'd politely refuse Mr. Love's request to explore a relationship with another team. We didn't waste our best years on him for him to go find a younger team with more money. 

He can sit there in a playless 2023 and deal with it. They've already said they're picking up his 5th year...kinda.

Rodgers apparently requested a trade himself. Or his team/agents did...

He looked good, but...C'mon. 9 passes? I'd hope he wants to play, but...sorry kid, this is what happens when you come out a year earlier than you should have from Utah State. You sit and wait until the team thinks you're ready. 

So we're going to commit $65M in cap to the QB position in '24?

Nah...something has to give with Rodgers/Love next year. No one has a $23M backup QB on their team. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

9 hours ago, adambr2 said:

So we're going to commit $65M in cap to the QB position in '24?

Nah...something has to give with Rodgers/Love next year. No one has a $23M backup QB on their team. 

Agreed - but I think that decision could still wait to happen after the 2023 season - or at least well into the preseason.  I think it would be foolish for the Packers not to pick up Love's option at this point if they don't trade him.  Worst case scenario is they pay him ~$20M to start in 2024 during a season the Packers are more focused on getting free from cap hell than winning a title - if he plays well you make him your longterm guy with an extension during the season and if he flops you probably wind up picking a QB high in the 2025 or 2026 draft.

If Love is truly wanting a trade out of Green Bay because he may not be the starter in 2023 then I think there's a good chance GB could move him before or during the next draft, at least before the other team would need to decide on picking up that option.  I think there's a better chance Rodgers gets traded this offseason than Love.

[adambr2]

10 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Agreed - but I think that decision could still wait to happen after the 2023 season - or at least well into the preseason.  I think it would be foolish for the Packers not to pick up Love's option at this point if they don't trade him.  Worst case scenario is they pay him ~$20M to start in 2024 during a season the Packers are more focused on getting free from cap hell than winning a title - if he plays well you make him your longterm guy with an extension during the season and if he flops you probably wind up picking a QB high in the 2025 or 2026 draft.

If Love is truly wanting a trade out of Green Bay because he may not be the starter in 2023 then I think there's a good chance GB could move him before or during the next draft, at least before the other team would need to decide on picking up that option.  I think there's a better chance Rodgers gets traded this offseason than Love.

Isn't it pretty much impossible to trade Rodgers with his new deal? I thought I've seen several articles alluding to this.