Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[CheezWizHed]

16 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Winfree cut, so looks like they're going to indeed go with Touré. Hopefully they will be able to sneak him onto the practice squad as I like the development he's shown, plus the rapport with Rodgers. With the seemingly better communication between Rodgers and management, I don't think this will be a Kumerow situation, and expect that Rodgers was involved in some capacity. 

Winfree is 26, fourth year in the league, and not overly athletic so there really isn't much upside with him.  Perhaps if a team has an immediate and short-term need at WR and tends to be run heavy (Titans, SF, etc...), I could see someone grabbing him.  But it isn't like he is going to be your regular #2 or #3 WR. 

[patrickgpe]

I don't like the Goodwin got cut, but I get it. Taylor was much better at special teams and is more the type of back GB is looking for. Winfree, I don't care he was cut. I know Rodgers like him, but Toure is the smart long term keep. Nothing really shocks me yet, but they do have to claim a safety, right??

I did like Heflin as a ST player, but again you don't lose sleep over those types of players. 

[Brewcrew82]

18 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Winfree is 26, fourth year in the league, and not overly athletic so there really isn't much upside with him.  Perhaps if a team has an immediate and short-term need at WR and tends to be run heavy (Titans, SF, etc...), I could see someone grabbing him.  But it isn't like he is going to be your regular #2 or #3 WR. 

Yeah, ultimately, this all means very little as the season is going to be determined by the likes of Watkins, Lazard, Doubs, etc. and not Touré or Winfree. 

[PeaveyFury]

So thus far, it's essentially been Walker over Jones on the o-line, Taylor over Goodson, Toure over Winfree. Probably the right move in all cases, though Goodson was certainly debatable. Now we wait to see how many make it to the PS.

[PeaveyFury]

Why in the world did the Eagles release Anthony Harris? Mediocre 2021, but a really solid S before that. I know, cap and all, but he'd seem like a crazy good fit in the safety rotation considering how battered the Pack is there.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

Why in the world did the Eagles release Anthony Harris? Mediocre 2021, but a really solid S before that. I know, cap and all, but he'd seem like a crazy good fit in the safety rotation considering how battered the Pack is there.

Depends on how in-demand he'd be, and if another team would offer a starting spot. He wouldn't have that in GB.

[LouisEly]

On 8/27/2022 at 3:29 AM, UpandIn said:

He's gotten semi-regular snaps at C. He got more in OTA's and Mini-Camp, but he could play C, and obviously Jenkins can also play Center. So no, I don't think they NEED to keep Menet or Hanson to have coverage at Center.

I just think they like Hanson. They like him at Guard and at Center...and I don't get either, but I don't have to. He does look a lot thicker this year, especially in the legs whereas last year he just looked overmatched. 

Neither Tom nor Jenkins got any snaps at center in training camp or in the preseason games, and no NFL team is going into the regular season with their backup center getting no practice snaps in training camp or preseason games.

And speaking of the OL (not directed at you, UpandIn), as Peavey alluded to above, Caleb Jones was waived.

[CdrbrgMark]

Packers waive Cedric Jones. Had a great preseason. You don't think someone is going to grab him? What a stupid move !!!!!!!!!

[patrickgpe]

7 minutes ago, CdrbrgMark said:

Packers waive Cedric Jones. Had a great preseason. You don't think someone is going to grab him? What a stupid move !!!!!!!!!

*Caleb Jones

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20 minutes ago, CdrbrgMark said:

Packers waive Cedric Jones. Had a great preseason. You don't think someone is going to grab him? What a stupid move !!!!!!!!!

Pretty hot take for a player you don’t even know their name.

Obviously they like Walker better and feel they’ve got a good chance to get Jones to the PS.

[LouisEly]

Lots of players look good against 3rd/4th string guys in the second half of pre-season games.  They may look different against starters/backups in practice. 

[CdrbrgMark]

25 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

*Caleb Jones

My bad....sorry.

[CheezWizHed]

I'd give Jones a 50/50 shot of being picked up.  Certainly a unique individual physically and I thought Walker might've had the better shot making it to the PS because he had less film time to show he belongs (which I think Jones did).  But they weren't going to keep both developmental OTs on the 53-man.

[NBBrewFan]

15 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I'd give Jones a 50/50 shot of being picked up.  Certainly a unique individual physically and I thought Walker might've had the better shot making it to the PS because he had less film time to show he belongs (which I think Jones did).  But they weren't going to keep both developmental OTs on the 53-man.

They also might have felt there was enough info to counter some/most of the reasons why he dropped in the draft.  Since he was ranked as high as a 2nd round in some rankings the Packers may have felt it was more likely that he would be claimed and/or that Walker offers more long-term upside.

[LouisEly]

The 53 they kept.

So far.  Jaquiski Tartt was released; my understanding is that he is vested so he can sign with any team he wants and isn't subject to waivers.

[patrickgpe]

Looking at the final roster, its hard to beef about much. I may have kept a 3rd RB and dropped Davis. I will agree that it may have made more sense to keep Caleb Jones rather than Walker, but since BG drafted Walked and not Jones, it would make sense to keep his picks. When those are your largest complaints, there isn’t much. 

Finally, I hope that Ahmed is retained on the PS as a safety net. 

[CheezWizHed]

Well, I got my wish of Abernathy and Carpenter both making the team, but I'm surprised by Davis being cut.  I guess Abernathy is the 3rd safety on defense, because Leavitt was bad and Carpenter isn't ready. 

Ford was another surprise.  Yes, a big, big, man but a long way from playing. 

And the blind squirrel finds the nut on predicting 2 RBs.  With Hill coming back in a few weeks off the PUP and being able to promote a RB from the PS, it just make too much sense.  In 4 weeks, natural causes (poor play, injury) might make a natural roster move for us anyway.

Still hoping for another OLB to be picked up.  Not crazy about who we have for a 3rd pass rusher. 

[UpandIn]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Well, I got my wish of Abernathy and Carpenter both making the team, but I'm surprised by Davis being cut.  I guess Abernathy is the 3rd safety on defense, because Leavitt was bad and Carpenter isn't ready. 

Ford was another surprise.  Yes, a big, big, man but a long way from playing. 

And the blind squirrel finds the nut on predicting 2 RBs.  With Hill coming back in a few weeks off the PUP and being able to promote a RB from the PS, it just make too much sense.  In 4 weeks, natural causes (poor play, injury) might make a natural roster move for us anyway.

Still hoping for another OLB to be picked up.  Not crazy about who we have for a 3rd pass rusher. 

Davis was probably the most surprising. He'd been the #3 pretty much all off-season, OTAs, Mini-Camp. He looked good. He had good practices, he was working with the #1s. He was a 5th round pick, Indy cut him despite needing a Safety. It'd be similar to cutting Enagbare for us. If Vernon Scott was healthy and they kept him, it'd be less surprising. But Abernathy, who wasn't even on a team heading into week 1 of the pre-season, he's seemingly slid into that #3 spot.

Ford would be the other surprise. To go into a season with 3 guys who are NTs? That's a little strange, but Clark's playing more DE and they must think Ford can as well. That move may be tied into Wyatt's pre-season vs the run. He's got an incredible 1st step and he's a nice pass rusher and I think he's going to just keep getting better vs both, but right now, if they had to play him 40-45 snaps, I don't think he'd grade out real well as a run stuffer. That's not a critique on the pick. I was really hoping for him at #22 and I still like it, but he loses gap integrity too often.

 

Other slight surprises;

2 RBs-Like I said, I saw Andy Herman speculate they may go with 2 and CheezeWiz mentioned it and it started to make more sense. Goodson and Taylor probably get through waivers, you can protect 4 guys. So at that point, it's a 57 man roster and they even have Dexter Williams who they could bring back before Kylin Hill is ready(if Kylin Hill is as good as some think he is and if he recovers from that really ugly knee injury). 

I really wanted Jones to make it just because he's so massive and he looked like he had good feet for his size. And he wasn't just playing against guys who were 3rd and 4th string, he got good snaps vs some starters and some backups. I think he put enough on tape that some team will take him. 

I don't think that's really a "surprise," so much as just a close call. Walker played well...at RT in the 2nd half of the last pre-season game. I agree, with so little tape on him, I thought he'd be the better chance to make it through waivers. He's also more athletic than Jones and he fits the scheme better. I thought Jones ability to just move people would overcome that, but I guess not. He probably fits best in a scheme like Dallas has...and with Tyron Smith going on IR, I would be very surprised if he makes it past them.

Beyond that maybe a little bit surprised about Crosby starting the season active, but with none of the team activities open to the public, we have no idea how he looks and we're not even getting any hints from the guys up there every day. So he must be ready. 

 

Potential Waiver Claims/FA signings

I imagine they'll be on the lookout for DB help, Edge help as you said. The Anthony Harris I remember from the Vikings would be ideal, but it sounds like he may be heading back to the Eagles yet. They needed a roster spot to acquire Gardner-Johnson, but doesn't have to pass through waivers. Logan Ryan is another guy who could be a great fit who was cut...but again, that was likely agreed upon to clear up a roster spot and I'm guessing he'll be back with Tampa Bay.

TE-OJ Howard? Tyler Davis isn't a blocker, he's almost exclusively a receiver at this point. So it's not like you're giving up anything there. 

WRer-Tyler Johsnon is an interesting player. I just don't see a way to get him onto the roster, but he's a big, physical WRer who fans would likely be advocating for if he were already on the Packers. 

 

[UpandIn]

11 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Neither Tom nor Jenkins got any snaps at center in training camp or in the preseason games, and no NFL team is going into the regular season with their backup center getting no practice snaps in training camp or preseason games.

And speaking of the OL (not directed at you, UpandIn), as Peavey alluded to above, Caleb Jones was waived.

Yeah, I just don't agree. Tom HAS taken snaps at Center...not in the pre-season games, but between he and Jenkins, I think they're covered there. Even Runyan has taken snaps at Center before. I don't think Hanson backed into the job because of a depth issue, I

I think they just believe Hanson earned the job rather than getting it by default. That he's been rotating in with the #1 Guards or RG is telling in and of itself. 

And yes, Caleb Young was waived. He doesn't technically fit our scheme, but I thought with Walker not having played, having been injured, the questions about his knees coming out, I thought they'd go the other way. They didn't. 

[UpandIn]

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Also, I swear the Packer blogs are harvesting our ideas here... both my idea to trade Nijman and to keep 2 RBs suddenly showed up on articles after I posted them here... 

Like minds and all that. I hadn't seen any blogs about trading Yosh until I just searched for them. I saw some from the day before we traded CVL. I think Yosh is clearly a better player.

The RB thing, I only saw Herman and then you...and I really didn't consider it. But the logic is sound. They'll likely get them through waivers and once you get past waivers it's really a 57 man roster week to week(and 69 overall) as you can protect 4 players, so much be confident in Hill's return and then either Goodson or Taylor if they need to bring one up.

I really like that they kept that from 2020. You're not rushing guys back from injuries as much, give guys another week from concussion. I'd have kept the unlimited IR Designated to return, 
What I'm still not 100% certain on, do they need to put a designated to return label on them now like they did in the past when it was more limiting? 8 seems like a lot, and it is relative to last year, but it could get tricky if you're using it on guys like Ryan Jensen from TB for example, or if you're using 3-4 up in the first month.

I don't THINK they have to declare who on IR can return, but the language is vague.

For instance, IF they were to put Bahk back on IR just to give him 4 weeks...hypothetically, do they need to put "designated to return," as opposed to knock on wood, someone else who maybe has a season ender? I don't think so, but again, it's unclear in the wording to me.

 

9 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I'd give Jones a 50/50 shot of being picked up.  Certainly a unique individual physically and I thought Walker might've had the better shot making it to the PS because he had less film time to show he belongs (which I think Jones did).  But they weren't going to keep both developmental OTs on the 53-man.

They are certainly more developmental, but they're also so much further along than Yosh was his first year. I was a huge fan of his as well, but if people remember early Yosh(even last pre-season) he was getting beaten like a dog at times. 

The way Jones was just dominating the Saints, KC rotational players...it was impressive. Tanoh Kpassagnon looked like he was running into a wall.

This will be a good test of how we evaluate these players. Naturally we think the players we watch are more likely to be claimed, but I look at Dallas and I just don't see how he makes it past them with the loss of Tyron Smith.  Also, the scheme fit is really just better there. 

And IF he clears waivers, does he even want to come back and sign here? He's already behind Bahk, Jenkins, Yosh, Tom and now Walker. So IF he clears, wouldn't shock me if he picked a organization that's not as deep. The Colts are another organization that can develop OL, don't have LT depth. We'll see.

 

4 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Well, I got my wish of Abernathy and Carpenter both making the team, but I'm surprised by Davis being cut.  I guess Abernathy is the 3rd safety on defense, because Leavitt was bad and Carpenter isn't ready. 

Ford was another surprise.  Yes, a big, big, man but a long way from playing. 

I'm not even sure they view Carpenter as a future safety. He's more of a tweener and I think they kept two guys there for their STs ability. But then it's a bit confusing they only went with 5 CBs. If they plan on playing Douglas at Safety at times, they'll need Nixon and SCJ to hold up.

Thomas I would expect back on the PS.

Ford...he does have a ways to go, but at least he can hold ground and anchor right now. Something Wyatt just isn't consistently doing. 

They seem determined to not lose the same way twice. They got gashed vs the run...they've absolutely loaded up on run stuffers.

Their STs cost them a game, they went out and hired a HC to run the STs and have invested several roster spots into STs first players. 

Their OL depth have hurt them the past couple years, they draft Tom, Rhyan, Walker, bring back Yosh, all protection against their OTs not being healthy.

 

 

The only thing this team is lacking is a WRer or TE that will go early in fantasy drafts, but I really-really like this overall roster and hopefully, we'll find a way to upgrade it. I'm sure there'll be a Mercilus type upgrade, a Rasul Douglas(not that it'll work out as well). Maybe not over the next 2 days, but during the course of the season I'd certainly hope so. 

[UpandIn]

6 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

Looking at the final roster, its hard to beef about much. I may have kept a 3rd RB and dropped Davis. I will agree that it may have made more sense to keep Caleb Jones rather than Walker, but since BG drafted Walked and not Jones, it would make sense to keep his picks. When those are your largest complaints, there isn’t much. 

Finally, I hope that Ahmed is retained on the PS as a safety net. 

Right...and they aren't even complaints. I went and watched a couple practices with an old coach and then watched them play on TV. 

Not to mention, when going through and doing my own 53 man a few days ago, I wanted to keep everyone they kept with the exception of probably Leavitt...and I REALLY hope I'm watching him blow up punt returners in a months time and thrilled they decided to keep him. 

 

PFF had Rasheed Walker going to the Packers in the 2nd round at one point not long before the draft last year. So if he's one of the final men to make the roster...I think now everyone can look at Gutekunst the same way they view Stearns. Guys who just objectively speaking, have done an exceptional job, guys who have their respective organization headed in the right direction and save for the few quibbles people have...Jordan Love or "overpaying" for Christian Watson(which, for the record, if we'd have lost a trade on paper to move up to #21 a few years ago and get Justin Jefferson and had "lost" that trade, nobody is going to care today)...by in large, he's been outstanding. 

 

[UpandIn]

Just saw this article;

https://heavy.com/sports/green-bay-packers/packers-spoke-with-jaguars-about-possible-wr-trade-report/

I've been calling for/hoping for a Shenault trade to the Packers for a year. He's a Deebo Samuel type weapon and would just fit this offense PERFECTLY. And when they shelled out big bucks for Kirk and changed their offense, it seemed possible they'd move on.

Ended up trading him for a 6th and a 7th...

I know 5th round picks are valuable, but this guy is a stud. 1350 yards his first two years playing in the worst run franchise(with respect to the McNair family in Houston). 

 

Oh well...at least we know they're in on players on the block and actively looking to upgrade the roster in our weaker area's. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see that the Packers made a waiver claim or test the FA waters for a CB/S. That's one of the few areas where I'm not very comfortable with the available depth. It also wouldn't surprise me if they see how things go with the WRs the first month or so, but have someone like Odell Beckham on speed dial. I imagine he's looking at a near mid-season return.  

[PeaveyFury]

I haven’t verified, but apparently after yesterday’s cuts the Vikings have released 3 of their first four picks from last year’s draft. Insane.

The Raiders have also now released or declined 5th-year options on all six of their first rounders from 2019-2021.

[UpandIn]

45 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see that the Packers made a waiver claim or test the FA waters for a CB/S. That's one of the few areas where I'm not very comfortable with the available depth. It also wouldn't surprise me if they see how things go with the WRs the first month or so, but have someone like Odell Beckham on speed dial. I imagine he's looking at a near mid-season return.  

I've been lukewarm on the whole OBJ idea, but...sure, if they can make it work. I wanted Julio, but he chose Tampa Bay.

Shenault bugs the hell outta me as he is so perfect for this offense, but what can you do.

If Logan Ryan or Anthony Harris are actual cuts, not just roster manipulation, both would be great additions...but I suspect they were both agreed upon before hand and will both end up back in Tampa and Philly respectively. 

 

31 minutes ago, PeaveyFury said:

I haven’t verified, but apparently after yesterday’s cuts the Vikings have released 3 of their first four picks from last year’s draft. Insane.

The Raiders have also now released or declined 5th-year options on all six of their first rounders from 2019-2021.

You're absolutely right. They cut Kellen Mond, the 2nd round pick. Wyatt Davis, the OSU Guard who many had ahead of Josh Myers and then Chazz Surratt, a LBer who was also a 3rd round pick.

Just...terrible. 

They cut 6 of 11 picks from last year and then it was something like of the last 46 players Spielman drafted from '19-'21, they've only kept 20. 

So in 3 years, 46 players were drafted and they decided 20 of those were worthy of putting on a roster and 8 are projected to start. To be fair, they traded down a LOT and they had 15 picks in one of those drafts, but that is still a terrible rate.

Thompson didn't have a great end of his tenure(particularly '15 and '17) but...he was never THIS bad.