Packers 2022 Discussion Thread

[CheezWizHed]

Noise from LV that Adams wants his cake and eat it too.  I'd say that is one logical landing spot for Rodgers.  I keep hearing SF, but I don't buy that Rodgers will knock the draft day chip off his shoulder yet.  I can see the NYJ going for him...not sure Rodgers would go there either*. 

Maybe the Broncos try for Rodgers again... oh wait... they don't have any 1st round picks for the next decade now...

 

*While Rodgers doesn't have a no-trade clause, no team in their right mind is going to trade for him without his consent.

[jerichoholicninja]

I think the Raiders make some sense for Rodgers. The question is how McDaniels ego will determine what they do at QB. I'm sure he'd prefer to win with "his guy" and get Jimmy G. If they get Rodgers any success they have will undoubtedly be attributed to ARod and not the coach. Of course will ARod's ego accept going somewhere where he's looking at best case finishing second in the division barring injury to Mahomes.

[Fear The Chorizo]

but I don't buy that Rodgers will knock the draft day chip off his shoulder yet.

The 49ers GM, front office, coaches, and even the owner who drafted Smith over Rodgers are loooooong gone - heck the offensive coordinator for the 49ers at the time was McCarthy, and Rodgers didn't demand a trade when he was hired as the Packers' coach.

I actually think San Fran makes alot of sense for Rodgers - roster ready-made to win now, he's a bay area kid, etc....However,  I doubt the 49ers want to pull off the cap gymnastics it would take along with sending the limited high draft capital they have to land him.  Purdy is essentially out for next season and Lance is a talented question mark with about as much starting QB experience as Love has.  At the end of the day, I think if Rodgers gets traded it will be to a different team that can offer up more attractive draft capital and have more salary cap flexibility than the 49ers - but a trade there won't fall through because Rodgers was steamed he wasn't picked 1st overall by that team almost 20 years ago.  

[GAME05]

I have a hard time seeing the Raiders as a trade team just because I don't imagine them as Superbowl-bound just by adding Rodgers.

I could see SF. With Lance/Rodgers they'd wind up in the same situation as GB is in now with Love/Rodgers, but boy are they close to reaching a Superbowl. And you can trade injured players, so Purdy would be a logical player to throw into a trade.

[Fear The Chorizo]

13 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

I have a hard time seeing the Raiders as a trade team just because I don't imagine them as Superbowl-bound just by adding Rodgers.

I could see SF. With Lance/Rodgers they'd wind up in the same situation as GB is in now with Love/Rodgers, but boy are they close to reaching a Superbowl. And you can trade injured players, so Purdy would be a logical player to throw into a trade.

No thanks on Purdy - no reason for the Packers to want him.  A nice story Mr. Irrelevant draft pick who now likely has a significant elbow surgery ahead of him to make sure he can still throw a football is not someone I want the team I root for to acquire in a trade.  And I'd imagine the 49ers would be content letting him sit on IR all of next year to give Lance a full season with no QB controversy if they don't bring in a marquee veteran.  Purdy would then be a solid 2024 season insurance policy if Lance falls on his face and proves not to be their franchise quarterback.

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, GAME05 said:

I have a hard time seeing the Raiders as a trade team just because I don't imagine them as Superbowl-bound just by adding Rodgers.

Once they cut Carr they will have ~$50M in cap space.  They can add a a few more pieces with that.  Part of it will be needed to re-sign Josh Jacobs, who is a FA, but if I'm understanding Rodgers' contract correctly, he'll only count about $15.8M towards the cap in 2023.  That's why I said they could also trade for Bakh and bring in more of Rodgers' buddies.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Once they cut Carr they will have ~$50M in cap space.  They can add a a few more pieces with that.  Part of it will be needed to re-sign Josh Jacobs, who is a FA, but if I'm understanding Rodgers' contract correctly, he'll only count about $15.8M towards the cap in 2023.  That's why I said they could also trade for Bakh and bring in more of Rodgers' buddies.

honest question - based on how well that's worked for the Packers the past few years in terms of getting to the Super Bowl/vying for titles, why would a team trading for Rodgers also want to drag along his buddies?

I think Rodgers gets a team over the hump that has a really good to great defense and some young pieces on offense that could take the next step with a great quarterback getting them the ball....I don't know if the Raiders' roster is good enough to dramatically improve just with adding Rodgers.  The Jets on the other hand - or the Dolphins if Tua is damaged goods due to concussion issues - are better fits IMO.

[wallus]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

honest question - based on how well that's worked for the Packers the past few years in terms of getting to the Super Bowl/vying for titles, why would a team trading for Rodgers also want to drag along his buddies?

Because Rodgers is a diva and will need to get "wooed" and will try to use leverage to get his guys.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

honest question - based on how well that's worked for the Packers the past few years in terms of getting to the Super Bowl/vying for titles, why would a team trading for Rodgers also want to drag along his buddies?

Because it's the Raiders - the Anaheim Angels of the NFL.

[adambr2]

Purdy is *expected to be* full-go in 6 months. Obviously it doesn't always work out that way but I'm not sure where it's coming from that he's out all next season. 

[MrTPlush]

If Rodgers really carried chips around on his shoulder he would have demanded a trade after the Packers drafted Love and he had a MVP season. Leaving the Packers to look about as dumb as the Red Sox when they traded Babe Ruth.

If his ego is that inflated I am sure he would love to show up the 49ers by getting them that Super Bowl after all these years without one after they decided not to draft him. The 49ers have ran such a great franchise over the years and have put it in a great position...just haven't gotten the QB to make the difference. Why start blowing draft picks and giving up on promising rookie contract guys to get Rodgers who may or may not have something left in the tank? It is a fun trade to imagine or plug into Madden...not sure the 49ers would really consider it. They might have fooled around with Brady for a year, because Brady.

[Fear The Chorizo]

51 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Purdy is *expected to be* full-go in 6 months. Obviously it doesn't always work out that way but I'm not sure where it's coming from that he's out all next season. 

That's one option if he goes the UCL repair route, but depending on which opinion he wants to go he may wind up getting the reconstruction done and he'll miss the season.  49ers doctors seem to think the repair and 6 month recovery is the way to go, but that isn't necessarily what other doctors are saying - otherwise I'd imagine Purdy would've already had that procedure done.

[Matt Breen]

I just get this feeling that Rodgers and the team are looking for a good reason to separate. In his weekly talk show appearance - when talking about trade rumors - Rodgers said something like 'I guess there's conversations going on that I'm not part of.'

On one hand, it reeks of Rodgers' passive-aggressive approach towards the team and his status. He seems to love to appear to be innocent and just a pawn in the game of the front office. 

Of course, the team said they want him back right after the season. And Rodgers says he needs time to decide. He seems to be treating rumors as fact. 

But maybe Rodgers knows stuff we don't. And one conspicuous absence in the past couple of weeks has been anything from the Packers organization. I mean, they could simply say, "We've said from day one that we want Aaron back. He asked for time to make a decision on his future. We are giving him time. When he's ready to talk, we'll figure stuff out. Until then, Aaron Rodgers is our quarterback. We firmly believe he gives us the best chance to win in 2023."

Instead, the organization has said nothing - and let the rumors fester. But perhaps they want that. Maybe they prefer to move on from Rodgers - reset the club with Love at the helm. 

I get a feeling it's like two people who are dating each other - but both parties want to end the relationship. But neither side wants to be the one who says it's over. Rodgers wants to say, "The Packers moved on from me." The Packers want to say, "Rodgers asked for a trade." No one wants to the cause of the split (when in reality, both parties bear responsibility). So it just drags on while everyone talks around them. 

I want to say I don't really care what we do. I think Rodgers could be great with some improved personnel. But I can also see how now would be the ideal time to move on from Rodgers if they think Love is ready and capable to do the job. Do you ask Love to sit for another year? At the same time, do you trigger the 5th year on his contract - which guarantees him something like $18m? It's all just really awkward.

It just seems like a slow walk to a breakup is going on right now. But with Rodgers, you just never know. Predicting the guy isn't easy.

[HarveysWBs]

16 hours ago, wallus said:

Because Rodgers is a diva and will need to get "wooed" and will try to use leverage to get his guys.

That’s fair, but to the original question, from the perspective of the acquiring team, it probably depends on their needs and the “buddies” in question. There are a whole lot of teams out there that could use a left tackle that gave up zero sacks and practically no pressures this season.  Oh, and who knows Rodgers’ mind better than any other lineman on the planet.  Bakhtiari coming over with Rodgers is a totally different category than someone like Cobb or Mercedes Lewis.  Yeah, he’d cost more in terms of money and draft capital, but he’s a difference maker.  Add a functional #69 to either the 2020 or 2021 Packers teams, and they make at least one, if not two Super Bowls.  And probably win them.

[GAME05]

Doesn't seem like a diva thing to want to play ball with your friends.

Plus if Rodgers is iffy on which team he'd go to, I'm sure it would make a difference for a team to say "We'll also bring in your good friend if you play here."

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Just wait until Rodgers decides he wants no part of the AFC with the likes of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and being behind their strong overall teams no matter how much he'd improve one of the lesser teams behind them. Instead he'll say nah, I like my chances here in the NFC where arguably Jalen Hurts is the top passer in the conference currently. Aaron tells the Packers let's roll with what we got here and then Jordan Love is out the door. Protest that scenario all you want but there is a world where the Packers continue to simply honor what Aaron wants and if he decides he wants to keep playing in Green Bay, they very well might move Love instead.

[yourout]

If Gray and Bisaccia leave and Berry stays MLF may have just sealed his fate for the end of next year.

[CheezWizHed]

On 2/3/2023 at 8:32 AM, MrTPlush said:

If Rodgers really carried chips around on his shoulder he would have demanded a trade after the Packers drafted Love and he had a MVP season. Leaving the Packers to look about as dumb as the Red Sox when they traded Babe Ruth.

If his ego is that inflated I am sure he would love to show up the 49ers by getting them that Super Bowl after all these years without one after they decided not to draft him. The 49ers have ran such a great franchise over the years and have put it in a great position...just haven't gotten the QB to make the difference. Why start blowing draft picks and giving up on promising rookie contract guys to get Rodgers who may or may not have something left in the tank? It is a fun trade to imagine or plug into Madden...not sure the 49ers would really consider it. They might have fooled around with Brady for a year, because Brady.

Hasn't that what the last few offseasons have been all about?  Take a look at Rodger's numbers the year before Love and the year after... coincidence?  Perhaps.  Or he was playing made to show the team they made a mistake.  

Since then, every offseason, he makes veiled comments to the media about the team not wanting him, no one talks to him, blah, blah, blah...  Then Gute comes back and has to kiss up and stroke his ego.  

Rodgers talked about the 49ers draft slight a LONG time and used it as motivation to prove them wrong.  He continues to tell people he is from Butte Community College when he introduces himself for those TV lineup announcement (no idea why he doesn't like CAL anymore).  And of course there is the infamous family split. 

The guys runs on percieved slights and snubs.  If his next year or two end up like this year and he retires on a low note, it wouldn't surprise me to see him "disappear" from the NFL scene and only show up at the HOF ceremony.

[jerichoholicninja]

8 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Just wait until Rodgers decides he wants no part of the AFC with the likes of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and being behind their strong overall teams no matter how much he'd improve one of the lesser teams behind them. Instead he'll say nah, I like my chances here in the NFC where arguably Jalen Hurts is the top passer in the conference currently. Aaron tells the Packers let's roll with what we got here and then Jordan Love is out the door. Protest that scenario all you want but there is a world where the Packers continue to simply honor what Aaron wants and if he decides he wants to keep playing in Green Bay, they very well might move Love instead.

If Rodgers is only concerned about going somewhere where his presence pretty much guarantees a division title he'll have to take that into consideration. Indy or Tennessee are the only AFC teams that could acquire him that would instantly make them the division favorite. And even then the Jags look prime to run that division for the next few years. If he's looking for a spot with an easy path to conference title game those teams are only in the NFC. San Fran would be the most obvious but he's (seemingly) closed that door. Green Bay would probably be his next best chance. Any of the NFC south teams could use a QB but none of them look to be able to win a playoff game. Maybe the Saints.

[CheezWizHed]

The Giants and Seahawks might be good landing spots for him in the NFC for well built teams with semi-questional QB situations...  And I get the feeling Dak is wearing out his welcome in Dallas, but I doubt that will happen this year.

[adambr2]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/packers-defense-picked-one-nfl-133549832.html

 

Heard a lot about job interviews this offseason for Evero, Gray, Bicassia, etc. 

 

Anyone been able to keep track on how many interviews Joe Barry has had so far this offseason?

[adambr2]

I remember how many years that people called for Dom Capers' head. And it was always rational to do so, but the counterpoint was always valid -- he did have a track record of some success in the past. 

 

There is no rational counterpoint for Joe Barry. He was a bum in the past and has unsurprisingly continued to be a bum in the present and he infuriatingly continues to be employed at a job that he has a long track record of being bad at.

[adambr2]

On 2/4/2023 at 7:24 AM, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Just wait until Rodgers decides he wants no part of the AFC with the likes of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and being behind their strong overall teams no matter how much he'd improve one of the lesser teams behind them. Instead he'll say nah, I like my chances here in the NFC where arguably Jalen Hurts is the top passer in the conference currently. Aaron tells the Packers let's roll with what we got here and then Jordan Love is out the door. Protest that scenario all you want but there is a world where the Packers continue to simply honor what Aaron wants and if he decides he wants to keep playing in Green Bay, they very well might move Love instead.

Yep, it's possible. It's not wise if they have any sort of long-term outlook, but I wouldn't put it past this regime which I've definitely begun to question the competence of these last few seasons. 

The Packers can run it back with Rodgers and probably some of their existing pieces if they restructure Rodgers and other pieces and push more money out into the future. 

The Packers have already maxed out their credit cards, borrowed from their 401K and taken out a second mortgage. They're pretty much just asking all their creditors for extensions now. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

On 2/4/2023 at 7:24 AM, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Just wait until Rodgers decides he wants no part of the AFC with the likes of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Herbert and being behind their strong overall teams no matter how much he'd improve one of the lesser teams behind them. Instead he'll say nah, I like my chances here in the NFC where arguably Jalen Hurts is the top passer in the conference currently. Aaron tells the Packers let's roll with what we got here and then Jordan Love is out the door. Protest that scenario all you want but there is a world where the Packers continue to simply honor what Aaron wants and if he decides he wants to keep playing in Green Bay, they very well might move Love instead.

I doubt he cares about this. Or at least he shouldn't. The cakewalk division hasn't done anything for him. Say he's in Miami or something throwing to Tyreek, I don't think he's going to care about Justin Herbert. You have to beat these guys at some point anyway, you may as well get a few looks at them.

I don't think elite NFL QBs are pre-occupied with dodging each other. They all think they're the best.

[stoutdude04]

On 2/3/2023 at 8:06 AM, adambr2 said:

Purdy is *expected to be* full-go in 6 months. Obviously it doesn't always work out that way but I'm not sure where it's coming from that he's out all next season. 

Rumors are that he needs Tommy John.