Packers 2022 NFL Draft Discussion

[BillScottCanRake]

2 hours ago, NBBrewFan said:

No kidding!  While I like the gratification of a grade from PFF, I like the trade function in PFN's simulator (it offers trades to YOU almost every pick (and multiple that you can select among of counter). There's also obviously a difference in their boards.  For PFF I could draft Jameson Williams about 10% of the time, while for PFN he NEVER was available at 22.

Here was one I did where I dropped down from both 1st round picks to add multiple early round picks:

 

I wouldn't be too upset if the Packers draft looked a bit like that.  It's a bit light on WRs, but I'd take it.

Speaking about the difference between PFF and PFN, Jake Ferguson never even appeared in the list of best available in my PFF drafts.  And the one I posted above I had three picks between 92 and 111, so you'd have think he'd have shown up.

[patrickgpe]

i agree the PFF mock is fun. It does prove that anyone can get an A or B grade from the experts in any draft for any team. These are nicer than just mocks because it gives users an idea on who could be available at each pick the packers have. 

[brewcrewdue80]

I took a mild 1 look see mock on pff. And also had an NFL.com mock with names to see what was written up. The WRs are plenty short. 6ft or under it seemed graded at or below our picks. Considering we have Amari R. I dont like that type in the 1st rd and I think went Tackle Penning and an Edge Rusher or ILB. 2nd rd picks those shorter WRs were gone And just felt draft was over. The names or positions didn't feel like a fit. I think now it had to be an ILB because Chenal was there and I didn't want to double down on LB picks.  The Jist I got out of this is GB will need to move up and grab one of the taller WRs with higher grade to truly get the type to put on outside. They will clearly have ammo with 2 1sts and 2 2nds to get that guy(Gutey moves up in 1st 2 times already) so who is the top 20 WR in draft that we will be moving up for?

Edit add. There seems to be a very large number of smaller Div 1 programs in this drafts top 50. I'm  not the most enthused opinion on drafting these types when maybe 1 game played a year was vs a Top tier Program.  I'd rather stick with the more experienced in first rd who have played vs NFL type speed and strength more often than somebody who will be learning and adjusting to adapt to it that first year or two on 1st rd selections.

Edited March 28, 2022 by brewcrewdue80
Adding vs making a new post

[brewcrewdue80]

Well seems I found the guy to target via a WalterFootball WR rankings.

#6 Christian Watson 6-4WR  4.36-40. North Dakota St. 32.5 Arm  10.13 Hand.  

Project a late 1st rd potential and certainly early 2nd rd.  

A comp listed Chase Claypool among N'Keal Harry and Elijah Moore pre draft.  

Surprise in senior bowl with a note that he had excellent explosion in jumps at combine. Besides the speed.  Tell me how you can pass on the measureables along with the speed and jump?  I now have a name to hope for in the draft.

About last post Penning was my 2nd 1st selection it was Nakobe Dean who I took with 1st since he fell and Playing for Georgia which is a battle tested experience to produce those results.

 

Edit: And now I see his Father played 5 years in the NFL.  Dude. you have got to target Watson.  The work ethic and results on his Athleticism for 6'4" WR more than likely a result of a father upbringing his kid to NFL style trainings.  Dad was a CB maybe that was the push and desire but he overgrew that.

Edited March 28, 2022 by brewcrewdue80
I did it from new info about Watson

[Matt Breen]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Well seems I found the guy to target via a WalterFootball WR rankings.

#6 Christian Watson 6-4WR  4.36-40. North Dakota St. 32.5 Arm  10.13 Hand.  

Project a late 1st rd potential and certainly early 2nd rd.  

A comp listed Chase Claypool among N'Keal Harry and Elijah Moore pre draft.  

Surprise in senior bowl with a note that he had excellent explosion in jumps at combine. Besides the speed.  Tell me how you can pass on the measureables along with the speed and jump?  I now have a name to hope for in the draft.

About last post Penning was my 2nd 1st selection it was Nakobe Dean who I took with 1st since he fell and Playing for Georgia which is a battle tested experience to produce those results.

 

Edit: And now I see his Father played 5 years in the NFL.  Dude. you have got to target Watson.  The work ethic and results on his Athleticism for 6'4" WR more than likely a result of a father upbringing his kid to NFL style trainings.  Dad was a CB maybe that was the push and desire but he overgrew that.

One thing nice about Watson is that he is cold weather tested. Not a huge thing - but nice to know.

[NBBrewFan]

Watson has been all over the place on mocks and draft lists. His numbers are very attractive, but I think there's some concern about the level of competition. Hard for joe public to know how interviews/etc. will impact his final position.  If the Packers can get their WR pick at #22 I would like them to trade down the #28 to somewhere early in the 3rd (35-40ish) pick up another 3rd round and take either Watson or Pickens or WR#2 here then use #53 and #59 on EDGE/OT/iDL.  There could be a significant WR run between #28 and #53 and moving up from #53 will be costly, but moving down from #28 offers better value unless they have a non-WR that falls to them at #28 that they love.  Hard to know how things shake out once the dance begins. I think there's a lot of unpredictability this year and it would be nice to get the WR you want early and let the rest fall into place. Especially with minimal cap to take on an expensive vet thru trade. Unless the just go BPA then trade future draft capital to get vet WR thru trade. Lots of variables and not enough equations!

[nate82]

28 minutes ago, NBBrewFan said:

Watson has been all over the place on mocks and draft lists. His numbers are very attractive, but I think there's some concern about the level of competition. Hard for joe public to know how interviews/etc. will impact his final position.  If the Packers can get their WR pick at #22 I would like them to trade down the #28 to somewhere early in the 3rd (35-40ish) pick up another 3rd round and take either Watson or Pickens or WR#2 here then use #53 and #59 on EDGE/OT/iDL.  There could be a significant WR run between #28 and #53 and moving up from #53 will be costly, but moving down from #28 offers better value unless they have a non-WR that falls to them at #28 that they love.  Hard to know how things shake out once the dance begins. I think there's a lot of unpredictability this year and it would be nice to get the WR you want early and let the rest fall into place. Especially with minimal cap to take on an expensive vet thru trade. Unless the just go BPA then trade future draft capital to get vet WR thru trade. Lots of variables and not enough equations!

I don't think the level of competition should really be an issue with WR.  QB's sure but skill players I just can't get behind that.  I believe Moss and Owens both had these same questions when they were drafted.  Moss had some other baggage at the time which hurt his stock but still had the competition question attached to him.  

If the player can run, jump and catch I don't believe the competition is really going to matter.  For a QB it is a little bit different as you can get away with mistakes that you wouldn't normally get away with in other conferences but for a WR there is very little that you can scrutinize there.  

You can say that the numbers would come down and they normally do even from players who are at a higher level of competition.  I wouldn't be worried about competition when drafting a WR I am more looking at how well they cut, run routes and catch the ball.  I would put the competition last or not even in consideration on determining which WR to draft over another.  Competition matters when you are comparing stats but when comparing players on who you want to draft I don't think it matters at the skill positions.  

[CheezWizHed]

Olave gives me a Greg Jennings vibe; the size/speed/route running part, not the yearly rants about AROD part. 

6 foot tall is plenty...however, Gute/MLF certainly has a "type" on tall WRs.  But I'm hoping if he is there, we grab him.

[brewcrewdue80]

55 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Olave gives me a Greg Jennings vibe; the size/speed/route running part, not the yearly rants about AROD part. 

6 foot tall is plenty...however, Gute/MLF certainly has a "type" on tall WRs.  But I'm hoping if he is there, we grab him.

And he's pretty much where the line changes to slot size WRs except Watson it seems from next tier of WRs projected below Olave.  Watson when compared to those guys it's not only his height advantage but he has longer arms, larger hands, better jump ability and top of the line speed. 

I so want a guy that should dominate jump balls in the end zone. Corner routes or crossing back of end zone.  It takes but 1 offseason to have a guy deemed light for their size to bulk up. Which when you read the cons on NFL writeup seems to be his combined negative. "Can get locked up at LOS, Not winning enough contested hand catches. Not winning strength on jump contended passes.  Less willing to cross middle field"  All seems simple to address if he's underweight to size. Different logic would be he's filled out for his size and has these cons.  Another con was seeming to mistake jump balls.  Well Rodgers is pretty damn accurate with aversion from traffic where higher throws get picked.  This con isn't a huge concern with ARod. 

[PeaveyFury]

Big fan of this one. A little o-line heavy perhaps, but that's how the board fell:

[Joseph Zarr]

One thing we can agree on: This month of April leading up to the Draft is going to be FUN. I love this time of year and having 4 picks in the top 59 is just an incredible amount of draft Capital for 'The Gute'. He is typically very fun in those first 2 rounds anyhow and has been quite good historically in those higher picks I would argue.

[Matt Breen]

On the PFF draft simulator, I traded down repeatedly - made 34 trades - and drafted 94 players. I simply took the top player on the board the time I picked. It was kind of fun, if silly.

I ended up with the following:

2nd Round picks x 2

3rd round picks x 1

4th round picks x 10

5th round picks x 21

6th round picks x 29

7th round picks x 32

I tried to upload the image they provide, but it was too big. I got some Badgers, including Sunburn, Ferguson and Bruss. Plus former Badger Jack Coan (fourth to last pick in the draft). 

 

 

[Joseph Zarr]

On 3/1/2022 at 7:38 AM, reillymcshane said:

QBs are weird this year. Most rankings put the top ones no higher than #20 or so on draft boards. And that's being generous. However, QBs tend to rise up in drafts (though not always). It only takes one team to fall in love with a guy. The Packers should want the QBs to do well at the combine and in workouts. Drive them into the first round - push down players we can use.

Circling back to QB's. Now that Pro Days have progressed, I'm going to go 'on record' and say I see 3 QB's for sure Rd 1 and, now, after UNC maybe 4 Qb's.

(1) Malik Willis

(2) Matt Corral

(3) Kenny Pickett

(4) Sam Howell

Apparently, Howell really impressed at his Pro Day and he now has 1st Rd buzz. May it be so. Just keep on pumping those QB's everyone. 

EDIT: I am bumping this mainly because I spoke early and felt only Malik Willis was a surefire. And, well, I spoke early. And, I'm a moron.

[CheezWizHed]

5 hours ago, PeaveyFury said:

Big fan of this one. A little o-line heavy perhaps, but that's how the board fell:

Any draft that gets Metcalf for less than a 1st round pick (28th overall + upgrade from a 4th to 3rd) seems like a win. 

3 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

On the PFF draft simulator, I traded down repeatedly - made 34 trades - and drafted 94 players. I simply took the top player on the board the time I picked. It was kind of fun, if silly.

I ended up with the following:

2nd Round picks x 2

3rd round picks x 1

4th round picks x 10

5th round picks x 21

6th round picks x 29

7th round picks x 32

I tried to upload the image they provide, but it was too big. I got some Badgers, including Sunburn, Ferguson and Bruss. Plus former Badger Jack Coan (fourth to last pick in the draft). 

 

 

That is a riot. drafting 94 players!  Ted Thompson approves!

[igor67]

But did you ask Rodgers before you mock drafted a quarterback in the middle rounds?

[Matt Breen]

4 hours ago, igor67 said:

But did you ask Rodgers before you mock drafted a quarterback in the middle rounds?

For my 94 person draft, I ended up with 6 QBs. I automatically picked the highest ranked player on the PFF board when there were no trade offers on the table. My third pick was Carson Strong of Nevada (3rd round, 90th overall). And then four of the last six picks were QBs. 

I should have traded Rodgers for a bunch of picks. I probably could have gotten 150 players if I had done that.

[stalton]

1 hour ago, reillymcshane said:

For my 94 person draft, I ended up with 6 QBs. I automatically picked the highest ranked player on the PFF board when there were no trade offers on the table. My third pick was Carson Strong of Nevada (3rd round, 90th overall). And then four of the last six picks were QBs. 

I should have traded Rodgers for a bunch of picks. I probably could have gotten 150 players if I had done that.

Nobody else can draft anybody if the Packers have all the picks

[Mr Southpaw]

[Joseph Zarr]

1 hour ago, Mr Southpaw said:

A few things here:

(1) It's clear PFF has Bernhard Raimann quite highly ranked. I really like his game quite a bit but I have a hard time seeing him going Rd. 1. He seems, to me, to be a classic Rd 2 guy. It will be interesting to see where he lands.

(2) I think I'm in the minority here (?), but, given the nature of the depth and quality of the Edge in this draft I really am not that into going for David Ojabo. I know he's an extremely talented player and, prior to the achilles, he was a consensus Top 15 pick. But if there's an injury trend I believe I've seen in pro sports, it's the understanding (admittedly, I could be wrong here) there is typicall a prolonged period of recovery to get 'back to where they were' when it comes to those achilles injuries. I don't see Cam Akers as the rule - I see him as the exception. I am at a place, presently, where I would prefer another team takes that gamble. AND, if the Packers happen to grab him up, I'll change that tune right quick. ?

(3) J. Love and a 7th seems awfully awfully light for DK Metcalf. However, I'm also capable of saying: What the heck do I know?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

6 minutes ago, Julio Muchacho said:

(3) J. Love and a 7th seems awfully awfully light for DK Metcalf. However, I'm also capable of saying: What the heck do I know?

It all depends on how Seattle sees him. If they think he could be a future franchise QB, that is actually a pretty light return.

[Joseph Zarr]

1 minute ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

It all depends on how Seattle sees him. If they think he could be a future franchise QB, that is actually a pretty light return.

True. True. And, I guess, from a similar vantage point Seattle both gets an asset at the most important position in professional football and they off-load a Star player who is due for a new contract by next season - something they surely don't want to deal with or engage given they are literally just starting a purported rebuild. 

The addendum, I should have added: It's hard to say anything about Jordan Love. We haven't seen enough of him. We don't know how the Packers truly view him and we don't know how he's viewed in the League.

[Joseph Zarr]

One of my draft crushes (previously mentioned? Too lazy to look!) Jelani Woods - our legit Marcedes Lewis on steroids TE prospect - at a ripe ripe man statue stature of 6'7" 260 lbs just completed his Pro Day. 

AND, gents, lemme tell you: 

IF there ever was a TE that absolutely needed to enter the Packer TE room to parlay with the Big Dog, this is our guy. After submitting his agility and explosive numbers from his Pro Day - and resting at a cool 4.61 40, 24 reps on bench with arms measuring over 34" (crazy!) and other Combine numbers that had rated him the 4th overall TE prospects ever tested since 1987 -  is now officially THE most athletic TE ever tested by the RAS metric. That's insane. Must have. 

What I love about Woods is he is just, and I mean just, tapping into his potential. His first 3 years were nearly all spent 'in line' as a blocking Ace for Oklahoma State. Last season was his first true effort at being a more complete TE: 44 rec, 589 yds, 8 TD's. We already know this man was made for blocking - he has all the tools there. But, now we have a Red Zone and 3rd down target to pair into our up and coming diverse running game.

[Joseph Zarr]

(Just for reference, here are his combined - combine and Pro Day - results. I think the sky is the Limit for this kid in the Packers offense.) 

[bjkrautk]

 

Easily my best results from the simulator- would be thrilled if the Packers pulled off something similar.

[Mr Southpaw]

11 hours ago, Julio Muchacho said:

(Just for reference, here are his combined - combine and Pro Day - results. I think the sky is the Limit for this kid in the Packers offense.) 

You have convinced me!  He looks perfect.  Why is he not rated higher?