Too Early 2023 Ideas (or beyond)

[Hopper]

14 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

based on the BTV site, you could get him for

Frelick and Moore

or

Mitchell + Brown + Logan Henderson.

or

Mitchell + Ruiz + Misiorowski.

 

LOL

That site is quackery.

[jay87shot]

Yeah, I have said this a bunch but Jansen isn't worth anything more than Tyler Black and a lower ranked prospect at best.

[jay87shot]

What about the idea of trading Devin Williams? It is probably to early but I would put him in the Hader boat from like 2 off-season's ago. If someone gives us a big package with like 3 really good pieces I'd send him out and try and find ways strengthen the pen.

Say the Dodgers offered a package like we have been looking at for Willy Adames of Vargas, Pepiot, and a 3rd solid piece (say a reliever like Caleb Ferguson). Would we decline that? That is a likely solid starting pitcher and 1B/3B for 5-6 years and another piece that would have a good chance to contribute.

[SF70]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

What about the idea of trading Devin Williams? It is probably to early but I would put him in the Hader boat from like 2 off-season's ago. If someone gives us a big package with like 3 really good pieces I'd send him out and try and find ways strengthen the pen.

Say the Dodgers offered a package like we have been looking at for Willy Adames of Vargas, Pepiot, and a 3rd solid piece (say a reliever like Caleb Ferguson). Would we decline that? That is a likely solid starting pitcher and 1B/3B for 5-6 years and another piece that would have a good chance to contribute.

Absolutely trade Williams. His value will never be higher and this could be the backup plan to get some of the big-armed Dodgers pitching if Burnes is held. 

No Vargas though. Miller & Pepiot works, so does Stone & Pepiot & Vesia. Upper minors big-armed starter prospects is what this team needs above all else, imo.

With Diaz off the market and competition high for the likes of Suarez, Montero & Chafin, and the Dodgers needing a healthy closer, Williams could be their answer.

[sveumrules]

Relievers are thee most volatile position. Teams haven’t really shown a recent tendency to pay a premium for the additional years of team control.

Since debuting in 2020, among 131 relievers with at least 100 IP, Devin is at 45 ERA- (2nd) | 51 FIP- (3rd) | 5.2 rWAR (4th) | 5.0 fWAR (3rd) | +8.23 WPA (2nd). That’s about as automatic as it gets and there are still posters here who don’t trust him.

I don’t see any team offering up an enticing enough package for the Brewers to deal Devin this offseason. 

[jay87shot]

I want to make it clear I would not trade Devin for anything less than an overpay. I always said with Hader that even though a top closer is worth 2-3 WAR the situation and dire consequence really make their impact double in terms of importance (WAR). That being I would rather get 3 or 4 guys who can cumulatively make a bigger impact. The Dodgers definitely have a lot of upper minor players who have a high floor and a need for a big time closer.

[DR28]

Lovely..........

Nov. 8: Are Burnes and Devers potential trade candidates?
Brewers ace Corbin Burnes and Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers are among the most surprising names MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has heard mentioned as potential trade candidates during the General Managers Meetings.

[jay87shot]

20 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Lovely..........

Nov. 8: Are Burnes and Devers potential trade candidates?
Brewers ace Corbin Burnes and Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers are among the most surprising names MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has heard mentioned as potential trade candidates during the General Managers Meetings.

Not to surprising, our management will likely talk about everyone since seemingly our entire team has 2 years of control and salaries are getting borderline.

I know we can't afford Devers long term but any chance we could trade for him use him for the year and let him walk (getting a pick back or trade at deadline)? I would guess we would need to give up 2 decent pieces, would Lauer, Wong, and Tyler Black get close?

[SF70]

7 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Lovely..........

Nov. 8: Are Burnes and Devers potential trade candidates?
Brewers ace Corbin Burnes and Red Sox third baseman Rafael Devers are among the most surprising names MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand has heard mentioned as potential trade candidates during the General Managers Meetings.

This is great news, if it comes to fruition, for those of us that want Burnes sold to the highest bidder for prospects that should add the young, controllable talent critical to this teams future success.

 

[wibadgers23]

Not surprised one bit. I’m sure we’ll hear his name come up all winter but would still be surprised if anything came to fruition.

[Brewcrew82]

50 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Not to surprising, our management will likely talk about everyone since seemingly our entire team has 2 years of control and salaries are getting borderline.

I know we can't afford Devers long term but any chance we could trade for him use him for the year and let him walk (getting a pick back or trade at deadline)? I would guess we would need to give up 2 decent pieces, would Lauer, Wong, and Tyler Black get close?

Not even halfway there....

[Robocaller]

9 hours ago, jay87shot said:

What about the idea of trading Devin Williams? It is probably to early but I would put him in the Hader boat from like 2 off-season's ago. If someone gives us a big package with like 3 really good pieces I'd send him out and try and find ways strengthen the pen.

Say the Dodgers offered a package like we have been looking at for Willy Adames of Vargas, Pepiot, and a 3rd solid piece (say a reliever like Caleb Ferguson). Would we decline that? That is a likely solid starting pitcher and 1B/3B for 5-6 years and another piece that would have a good chance to contribute.

I mean, sure, if you're going to do a complete rebuild, trading him, Adames, Burnes, and Woodruff. But if our current batch of prospects come through, I'd want to keep him.

[brewmann04]

At some point Burnes or Woodruff will be traded 

[DR28]

Sean Murphy likely to be traded this offseason... And Blue Jays most likely to deal one of their catchers.

Ok MA squared, here's our chance to acquire a legit catcher either from Oakland or Toronto... We have the farm to acquire a good catcher.

[Matt Breen]

Here we go:

1. Sign Christian Vazquez to be your primary catcher. Excellent defender, good reputation handling a staff, average hitter, guy who can handle 120 games a year behind the plate. Probably cost you $8M or so a year for 2-3 years. Gives us plenty of time to see if Quero - or someone else - can one day inherit the job. Probably can use someone cheap as reserve catcher to save a couple of million $$$.

Vazquez offers stability, good defense and a steady bat. He's nothing great - and there's not much upside. But it would be nice to have someone like him in the lineup most days.

2. Have Yelich and Rowdy handle 1B/DH job. Who ever can handle the field better is your 1B - the other guy is the DH. I would hope Yelich could be a better 1B than Rowdy. But you never know.

3. Frelick to LF, Mitchell to CF, Renfroe stays in RF. Taylor and Ruiz are reserves. Defense is much, much better.

4. Add a #5 starter guy who is reliable, eats innings and won't cost too much. Jordan Lyles is an example. 179 IP, 4.42 ERA. Nothing special, but someone to out there every five days. Perhaps Lyles is the wrong guy - but something like this is fine.

5. Add a couple of reliable bullpen arms. This is easier said than done. I don't know the market to really figure this one out. Perhaps Houser in the pen is an option.

5. Move on from Hiura. He needs a change of scenery.

Lineup

C - Vasquez (R)
1B/DH - Rowdy (L) /Yelich (L)
2B - Wong (L) (could use Turang if Wong is dealt)
SS - Adamas (R)
3B - Urias (R)
LF - Frelick (L)
CF - Mitchell (L)
RF - Renfroe (R)
OF: Taylor (R), Ruiz (R)
IF: TBD. Could include Turang, who could play against lefties at 2B, sub at SS and 3B. 

SP: Woodruff, Burnes, Peralta, Lauer, new guy?, Ashby, Houser
RP: Williams, good guesses

Lots of rookies in the lineup. That's fine. Depending on how guys do, Wiemer could be called up at some point. 

This defense would be much better than last season - especially if Wong is healthy. 

Still lots of swing and miss in this lineup - but not as much as the past couple of years. 

I think the team's strength would be defense and starting pitching. Vasquez adds to this with his skillset and talents. Our bats won't be great - but they are passable - especially if the young guys like Mitchell and Frelick can develop. There will likely be some growing paints - but so be it. Gotta do it sooner or later.

Of course, all of this takes money. And no one really knows what the Brewers will spend. We shall see.

[Lloyd330]

Burnes to Mariners for Kirby, Kelenic, Locklear

[Robocaller]

I wonder about signing Longoria and him taking Brosseau's place on the 26-man roster. I don't think you can count on him to be available for the whole season, but he could produce when he plays.

[DR28]

I would love to take a flier on Clevinger.

Burnes

Woody

Peralta

Clevinger

Lauer

Yea I like that!

[DR28]

1 hour ago, Robocaller said:

I wonder about signing Longoria and him taking Brosseau's place on the 26-man roster. I don't think you can count on him to be available for the whole season, but he could produce when he plays.

I actually wouldnt mind him as our 3B for 2023… And give me Vazquez as our C.

Frelick

Yelich

Adames

Renfroe

Tellez

Longoria

Wong

Vasquez

Mitchell

I like that lineup!

[wntrtxn21]

19 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

Burnes to Mariners for Kirby, Kelenic, Locklear

Why would Arnold would want Kelenic, another outfielder?  He's been horrible in the big leagues. Locklear is at least 2 years away from being any help. It would be hard to fathom the Mariners getting rid of a young and very controllable Kirby, especially for 2 years of Burnes. 

[wntrtxn21]

16 hours ago, DR28 said:

I actually wouldnt mind him as our 3B for 2023… And give me Vazquez as our C.

Frelick

Yelich

Adames

Renfroe

Tellez

Longoria

Wong

Vasquez

Mitchell

I like that lineup!

With 37 year old Longoria's history of injuries, I don't think the Brewers would want to waste $13M on him to play maybe 90 games.  I just can't see paying that kind of money for a .6 WAR and negative .4 dWAR player. I do like Vasquez if they could get him for the right price. 

[DR28]

Mariners are talking Jesse Winker in trades... Curious what the cost would be.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, DR28 said:

Mariners are talking Jesse Winker in trades... Curious what the cost would be.

Not a lot considering he finished with a negative WAR this season and is now undergoing knee and neck surgeries....

[jay87shot]

On 11/11/2022 at 4:53 PM, Lloyd330 said:

Burnes to Mariners for Kirby, Kelenic, Locklear

To light, Kirby would be a start (I am sure the M's would put Hancock instead). Kelenic makes no sense with us having 4 high end OF prospects ready.  Bryce Miller and Prelander Berreo are exciting arms in the M's system. Hancock and Harry Ford are the only high end prospects in there system and we likely wouldn't have interest in Ford.

[jay87shot]

On 11/11/2022 at 6:28 PM, Robocaller said:

I wonder about signing Longoria and him taking Brosseau's place on the 26-man roster. I don't think you can count on him to be available for the whole season, but he could produce when he plays.

No to Longo, he would be a big downgrade from Urais. Turner is the only fa that makes a little sense at 3B, and I wouldn't pay him much more than 10 mill (which he will likely get more). I know some like Drury but I don't really see the upgrade. Any upgrade at 3rd imo come via a trade, likely for a prospect like Baty, Jung, Vargas, or Mead.