Too Early 2023 Ideas (or beyond)

[jay87shot]

Brad Hand would likely be a cheaper option as an early season relief help. He isn't dominate any more but a vet lefty with lots of late inning experience for 2 mill this year and a decent 24 option would be low risk. Probably to lesser prospects could get Hand here early on. It would have been nice to sign him instead of Voit in free agency.

[RWeeksFan23]

On 4/24/2023 at 9:03 PM, jay87shot said:

Aroldis Chapman is looking like a perfect early season trade candidate. The Royals are bad, Chapman has a 0 Era with 15 k's in 8 innings. All while averaging 100 mph. I would give up 3 interesting pieces for him, probably no top 10 or so prospects. Say Robert Moore, Hendry Mendez or Hedbert Perez, and Logan Henderson. That is a lot of young talent but nothing with a gaurentee.

Wish the brewers would've just signed him as a free agent. 

He signed a cheap one-year deal too didn't he?

[nate82]

4 hours ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

Wish the brewers would've just signed him as a free agent. 

He signed a cheap one-year deal too didn't he?

A very cheap one at that a 1-year 3.75m contract. 

[brewmann04]

I don’t know why he wasn’t an option 

[jay87shot]

9 hours ago, brewmann04 said:

I don’t know why he wasn’t an option 

I am sure they were worried about him being a cancer in the clubhouse, the way his season ended and the general low morale we had after the Hader deal.

[Jake McKibbin]

29 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I am sure they were worried about him being a cancer in the clubhouse, the way his season ended and the general low morale we had after the Hader deal.

This, and more importantly just how bad he looked and how much his numbers regressed over the last few seasons. There was no way of predicting he would be prime Chapman, and I'm sure other contending teams passed on him for just this reason. Also injury history

[Playing Catch]

I'm confident that KC (as well as Chapman/his agent), knew that he was signing a deal now, with the expectation of being traded at the deadline.

KC signs him market rate... Chapman and his representatives give KC a list of trade-deadline partners. Chapman gets traded to a team that did not want the financial risk in January, but are more than willing to part with a prospect later for a sure-er bet.

What I mean is that perhaps Chapman only wants to play in a big market or for a playoff team, but none of those options are offering him decent money in the off-season. KC comes along and offers the money in addition to a guarantee that they will accept a best offer from a previously agreed upon list of teams... Both KC and Chapman benefit from this relationship -- as does the team trading for him and his contract. Everyone wins.

[nate82]

If the Brewers continue to slide I think a trade with the Dodgers is probably likely and no it won't be Burnes going to the Dodgers it will be Adames. 

Dodgers get: Adames

Brewers get: Stone, Jorbit Vivas and Nastrini. 

This would then allow the Brewers to trade Burnes and get back a positional player rather than trying to get that pitching prospect in return for Burnes.  Something like Holliday plus from the Orioles. 

 

 

[jay87shot]

8 hours ago, nate82 said:

If the Brewers continue to slide I think a trade with the Dodgers is probably likely and no it won't be Burnes going to the Dodgers it will be Adames. 

Dodgers get: Adames

Brewers get: Stone, Jorbit Vivas and Nastrini. 

This would then allow the Brewers to trade Burnes and get back a positional player rather than trying to get that pitching prospect in return for Burnes.  Something like Holliday plus from the Orioles. 

 

 

I like the idea but I doubt we slide enough to tear it down. The nl central stinks and we don't play Cincy or Pitt until June.

My guess is we could trade one of the main 3 trade candidates but we would want at least one proven mlb piece back. Stone and a quality reliever like Caleb Ferguson or Alex Vesia.

I think a 3 team trade could work to get for Burnes, as much as I would like Jackson Holiday he might be playing into an untouchable piece.

[bensheeps]

My question and answer on today's mlbtraderumors chat.  Any interest in a Garrett Cooper reunion or to pull the plug on Voit for the now available Darin Ruf?

BrewCrew

12:00

The Brewers continue to struggle offensively against LHP.  Who is a realistic "get" at the deadline (or before) to help?

 

Steve Adams

12:02

There'll be plenty of RH bats likely available at the deadline... Garrett Cooper from Miami comes to mind. Ramon Laureano will be out there again. Both have hit lefties well in their career.

In the short term, I don't think they have much reason to keep the Luke Voit experiment running. They didn't commit that much to him, and his struggles have been ongoing for awhile now. He hasn't looked the same since all the injuries in '21. You could arguably cut bait on him for Darin Ruf right now and be better off against LHP, for instance.

[Playing Catch]

The Brewers have enough trade capital to get a legit RH bat-only player. I understand going into the season and trying out this current roster mix, but if this goes on too much longer, they need to act, and not wait for the trade deadline.

Arguably, the Brewers would be significantly more balanced with just about any of the guys on this list, and many of them would be VERY cheap.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=1&season=2023&month=13&season1=2023&ind=0

(league leaders versus LHP)

[wallus]

If you are going to spend two roster spots on a DH platoon, they better produce.

[jay87shot]

I'd say give Keston another chance before trading for anyone, probably only like 50 ab's max if he isn't great. That being said I'd go Jesus Aguilar as a 1B/DH platoon for LHP. I think he would fit in well and is high on the vs. LHP list. On top of that he probably wouldn't cost much. It would be nice to get a good bat but I don't know how willing I would be to give up a big package of prospects especially with the all the upcoming free agent decisions we will have to make.

A big problem is that there aren't going to be many solid bats available, all the sellers have bad offenses. The list of decent hitters who could be everyday players could be dealt are CJ Cron, Kris Bryant(not happening), Charlie Blackmon, JD Davis, LaMonte Wade, Mike Yaz, Luis Robert (maybe), Yoan Moncada, and Brent Rooker (doubtful). If the Cards, Marlins, or Mets stink for a while maybe add some off there hitters but I doubt that would work much in our favor. JD Davis seems like the best option in that group, he might not top prospect but probably a couple good ones. Luis Robert would be interesting but with our young OF might be a bit redundant and would definately cost 2 good pieces and more, my guess is the Sox would want Frelick, Misi/Rodriguez, and 2 top 15-20 org prospects at least. 

[nate82]

I was also thinking of a Frelick plus for Robert. I am not sure if the White Sox would be interested but I would do it.

[nate82]

13 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Luis Robert would be interesting but with our young OF might be a bit redundant and would definately cost 2 good pieces and more, my guess is the Sox would want Frelick, Misi/Rodriguez, and 2 top 15-20 org prospects at least.

I think that gets you really close but I don't think the Brewers would want to include Misi/Rodriguez in that deal.  I think they would feel more comfortable with Gasser over Misi/Rodriguez and I think the White Sox would prefer Gasser also as he is closer to MLB.  I think it would be something like Frelick, Gasser, Black and then someone like Mendez, Lara or Moore. 

That would be about 50m in surplus value which is about what Robert is worth.  I am not sure the White Sox do this deal but I think it is very close to what they would want in return for Robert.  It would then allow the Brewers to put Robert in LF or CF and then place Yelich at DH if Winker doesn't improve. 

Also I think the White Sox would dump Moncada if they could but he has been injured more than he has been on the field for them.  I don't think Moncada has much if any value at all. 

Another option would be Nick Senzel from the Reds.  Currently Senzel is hitting .522/.560/.870 for a 280 wRC+ against LHP but against RHP he is only hitting .169/.246/.237 for a 29 wRC+.  He would be a strict platoon bat.  Something like Hiura and Rodriguez (OF) for Senzel would be about right value wise.  I am not sure the Reds would be willing to let Senzel go but getting Hiura back in the trade would soften the blow a little bit for them.  Rodriguez (OF) is also probably a better prospect than what Senzel is really worth.  I added some value due to it being an in division trade. 

[jay87shot]

I posted in a different thread that we could trade Adames when Urias comes back move Turang to SS have Miller and Urias at 2B/3B (with Anderson to help). Here are some The Red Sox and Dodgers (maybe Braves if Arcia goes back to normal self) are the only contenders who are in need of a SS upgrade, however the Giants, Marlins, and maybe Angels could use an upgrade if the play a smidge better and stay in contention.

Adames to Dodgers for Nick Nastrini, Emmett Sheehan, and Maddox Bruns     With the Dodgers having some pitching health issues and Adames' consistency issues Stone, Miller, and Pepiot are probably off the table. In this case we get the next best 3 arms all with some high end potential. I probably like this best from a talent stand point but none of these pitchers are likely ready to contribute come the deadline.

Adames to Dodgers for LHP Victor Gonzalez and Michael Busch   In this trade we get an immediate upgrade in the pen with Gonzalez and a mlb ready bat in Busch who could play 2B (maybe OF or 1B). The Dodgers has lefty pen depth and Adames would likely block Busch farther.

Adames and Colin Rea to Red Sox for Nick Yorke and Bryan Bello  I like Yorke a little better than Rafeala or Mikey Romero but he might be a tad to much like Tyler Black. 

Adames and Tyrone Taylor to Giants for Kyle Harrison, Randy Rodriguez, and Hayden Birdsong.  I like McCray and Brown but can't see us getting more OF propsects. Harrison is probably untouchable but is the only thing I can see working (I don't like Luciano at all)

Adames to Miami for Dax Fulton and Khalil Watson   This is another deal were we get a couple nice prospects but no help this year. The Marlins don't have much of interest that they would likely part with if they want Willy.

Probably one of the Dodger deals would make the most sense like we've though all year.

[nate82]

If the Brewers fall out of contention then I think Adames is the one who gets moved.  I still think it is the Dodgers and I think they could still get someone like Stone and another prospect or two for Adames.  The only other possible SS who could be available would be Tim Anderson.  Anderson is playing worse than Adames is and Adames isn't really playing all that bad and he has had more bad luck.  Adames xwOBA is at .319 so I think Adames should have better stats than he currently has.  If Adames starts to play more towards his xwOBA I think he gets back into the 100+ wRC+ range.  Which puts him back to where he was last year and if you add that to his defense you have a 4 WAR player.  That puts Adames at about a surplus value somewhere around $35-40m.  The Dodgers have already shown interest in Adames earlier this year so I wouldn't be surprised if they check in around the deadline if the Brewers are out of it. 

If Adames is hitting like his stats say he should be then a Stone+ package for Adames is extremely likely.  I think the Dodgers would prefer to keep Busch over Stone.  Something like Stone, Frasso and Vivas makes some sense here. 

[DR28]

On 5/25/2023 at 12:30 AM, nate82 said:

If the Brewers fall out of contention then I think Adames is the one who gets moved.  I still think it is the Dodgers and I think they could still get someone like Stone and another prospect or two for Adames.  The only other possible SS who could be available would be Tim Anderson.  Anderson is playing worse than Adames is and Adames isn't really playing all that bad and he has had more bad luck.  Adames xwOBA is at .319 so I think Adames should have better stats than he currently has.  If Adames starts to play more towards his xwOBA I think he gets back into the 100+ wRC+ range.  Which puts him back to where he was last year and if you add that to his defense you have a 4 WAR player.  That puts Adames at about a surplus value somewhere around $35-40m.  The Dodgers have already shown interest in Adames earlier this year so I wouldn't be surprised if they check in around the deadline if the Brewers are out of it. 

If Adames is hitting like his stats say he should be then a Stone+ package for Adames is extremely likely.  I think the Dodgers would prefer to keep Busch over Stone.  Something like Stone, Frasso and Vivas makes some sense here. 

As long as we re-sign BA, I'm good with moving Adames... An INF of Anderson - 3B, Turang - SS, Urias - 2B has the making of being really solid.

I think a deal starting with Stone or Pepiot, plus others would be a win for both teams.

[nate82]

If the Rangers continue to stay at the top in the AL West they could be looking for a starting pitcher to complete their rotation.  I think the Rangers would be open to a Burnes trade here and they won't even have to trade their #1 prospect for Burnes. 

Rangers get: Burnes

Brewers get: White, Leiter and Saggese. 

In this trade the Brewers receive a really good starter in White and a huge question mark in Leiter along with INF Saggese. I know everyone is going to question why is Leiter a huge question mark?  Well take a look at his stats in AA they have been absolutely horrible.  In AA in 133.2 IP Leiter is at a 5.12 ERA, 1.519 WHIP. 5.6 BB9, 8.1 H9 and 11.2 SO9.  While the K's are good the hits and walks are absolutely horrible.  I think Leiter drops out of the top 100 at least for MLB.com once that is updated again.  Leiter just doesn't look good at all so why would the Brewers want him in a trade for Burnes?  Because he has been so bad he is actually attainable in a trade for Burnes and I believe the Brewers would think they can fix him and get him closer to what he looked like when he was drafted 2nd overall.

[wntrtxn21]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

If the Rangers continue to stay at the top in the AL West they could be looking for a starting pitcher to complete their rotation.  I think the Rangers would be open to a Burnes trade here and they won't even have to trade their #1 prospect for Burnes. 

Rangers get: Burnes

Brewers get: White, Leiter and Saggese. 

In this trade the Brewers receive a really good starter in White and a huge question mark in Leiter along with INF Saggese. I know everyone is going to question why is Leiter a huge question mark?  Well take a look at his stats in AA they have been absolutely horrible.  In AA in 133.2 IP Leiter is at a 5.12 ERA, 1.519 WHIP. 5.6 BB9, 8.1 H9 and 11.2 SO9.  While the K's are good the hits and walks are absolutely horrible.  I think Leiter drops out of the top 100 at least for MLB.com once that is updated again.  Leiter just doesn't look good at all so why would the Brewers want him in a trade for Burnes?  Because he has been so bad he is actually attainable in a trade for Burnes and I believe the Brewers would think they can fix him and get him closer to what he looked like when he was drafted 2nd overall.

I think your deal would be a huge overpay by Milwaukee.  You're correct about Leiter. His stock is dropping quickly. I don't see White as a really good starter based on what he's done so far. He certainly isn't doing that great at AA (4.24 ERA/1.29 WHIP-more than 4 BBs per 9/only 7 K's per 9). If anything Saggese is a litle under valued. 

[nate82]

7 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

I think your deal would be a huge overpay by Milwaukee.  You're correct about Leiter. His stock is dropping quickly. I don't see White as a really good starter based on what he's done so far. He certainly isn't doing that great at AA (4.24 ERA/1.29 WHIP-more than 4 BBs per 9/only 7 K's per 9). If anything Saggese is a litle under valued. 

I am not sure.  Burnes hasn't been an ace type of a pitcher for about a year now.  Right now he is looking more like a #2 or a #3 type pitcher.  I think if the Brewers trade Burnes at the deadline they will be lucky to get over $45m+ in surplus value. 

[nate82]

Another trade but I think this would be a move the Rays wouldn't do but...

Rays get: Burnes

Brewers get: Caminero (3B) and Basabe (SS). 

Brewers get a very young 3B who will need to be added to the 40-man after this season and a really good SS in Basabe.  Basabe is a better version of Turang.  This would then allow the Brewers to trade Adames for pitching. 

Trade #2

Dodgers get: Adames

Brewers get: Stone (RHP), Sheehan (RHP) and Munoz (1B). 

With the two trades this resets the Brewers for '24 by giving the Brewers some youth in the starting rotation and in the infield with Turang and Basabe. 

 

[wiguy94]

23 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Another trade but I think this would be a move the Rays wouldn't do but...

Rays get: Burnes

Brewers get: Caminero (3B) and Basabe (SS). 

Brewers get a very young 3B who will need to be added to the 40-man after this season and a really good SS in Basabe.  Basabe is a better version of Turang.  This would then allow the Brewers to trade Adames for pitching. 

Trade #2

Dodgers get: Adames

Brewers get: Stone (RHP), Sheehan (RHP) and Munoz (1B). 

With the two trades this resets the Brewers for '24 by giving the Brewers some youth in the starting rotation and in the infield with Turang and Basabe. 

 

I have a feeling Caminero is probably untouchable for a team like Tampa Bay. I've seen the prospect sites raving over him. Saw a baseball prospectus guy last night that thinks he will be unanimous top 10 prospect in all of baseball during the midseason updates and this guy also has Caminero over Chourio at the moment. Tampa isn't going to give up a prospect like that for 1.5 seasons of Corbin Burnes.

[SF70]

17 hours ago, nate82 said:

Another trade but I think this would be a move the Rays wouldn't do but...

Rays get: Burnes

Brewers get: Caminero (3B) and Basabe (SS). 

Brewers get a very young 3B who will need to be added to the 40-man after this season and a really good SS in Basabe.  Basabe is a better version of Turang.  This would then allow the Brewers to trade Adames for pitching. 

Trade #2

Dodgers get: Adames

Brewers get: Stone (RHP), Sheehan (RHP) and Munoz (1B). 

With the two trades this resets the Brewers for '24 by giving the Brewers some youth in the starting rotation and in the infield with Turang and Basabe. 

 

I like Adames to the LAD since they have the biggest need for a SS. Not sure of the return tho. Dodgers might not want to give up 2 pitchers for a positional. Maybe substitute a positional for Sheehan.

I like Burnes to SD. Preller to overpay for a starter in an attempt to save his job, sounds good to me.

Merrill (SS) & Snelling (LHP) plus a couple of lottery’s seems like a nice overpay to me.

[SF70]

For a potential juggernaut from ‘26-‘31:

This deadline—

Trade Burnes & Williams to SD for:

Merrill (SS) & Lesco (RHP) & Snelling (LHP) & Ethan Salas (C)

Trade Adames to the LAD for:

White (RHP) & Keith (OF) & Joendry Vargas (SS)

Then this offseason trade Woodruff to Texas for:

Brock Porter (RHP) & Anthony Gutierrez (OF)

This return gives the team everything it needs farm system-wise to get to juggernaut the second-half of this decade with the big-league team. Preller is such a fool, he might actually do that overpay in an attempt to win the WS this year or next with Burnes and Williams.