2023 NFL Discussion Thread

[HarryDoyle]

Sterling Sharpe got screwed again.

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Sterling Sharpe got screwed again.

This is getting ridiculous.

Gradishar, the Broncos LBer back when teams kept track of tackles and Denver would give him a tackle every time he was within 5 yards of the play.

I don't know about Powell, but...Sharpe was right up there with Jerry Rice at the pinnacle of Rice's career. 

It's kinda silly he's not in. Cecil Isabel is another worthy candidate who was under consideration last year, but that was a different era. I'd loved to have seen Sharpe play a year with Robert Brooks(who had a monster AP season the year after Sharpe's last year). 

Sooner or later he HAS to make it in, right?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

10 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I'd loved to have seen Sharpe play a year with Robert Brooks(who had a monster AP season the year after Sharpe's last year). 

Robert Brooks started all 16 regular season games opposite Sharpe in 1994. He was drafted in 1992, so he actually played 3 years with Sharpe. He didn't start until the 1994 season, though, when he caught 58 balls for 648 yards that season as the #2 receiver.

Antonio Freeman was the receiver that completely missed Sharpe. He was drafted in 1995 after Sharpe was forced to medically retire in '94. 

[Zad Fnark]

Antonio Freeman...

We called him the "Sideline Seeking Missile".

[CheezWizHed]

5 hours ago, Zad Fnark said:

Antonio Freeman...

We called him the "Sideline Seeking Missile".

Forget about the Minneapolis Miracle... Freeman's catch against the Vikings was a true miracle!

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Robert Brooks started all 16 regular season games opposite Sharpe in 1994. He was drafted in 1992, so he actually played 3 years with Sharpe. He didn't start until the 1994 season, though, when he caught 58 balls for 648 yards that season as the #2 receiver.

Antonio Freeman was the receiver that completely missed Sharpe. He was drafted in 1995 after Sharpe was forced to medically retire in '94. 

My bad. I was thinking a year with Brooks kinda in his prime, but I'd forgotten or just didn't know he was in year 5 by the time he had that 1500 yard season.

It's a little interesting that with all the monster seasons we've had by WRers...even dating back to the 80s when we had a HOFer in Lofton, the two best years we've had have been without that dominant #1 and with just really good depth. Jennings had a big year in 2010, but that team went 5 deep.

Reminds me of this team a bit. Hopefully we'll have 5-6 guys who are contributing and reliable pass catchers. 

[nate82]

Cowboys trade a 4th round pick to the 49ers for Trey Lance.

https://sports.yahoo.com/breaking-49ers-trade-qb-trey-232228303.html

[HarveysWBs]

51 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Cowboys trade a 4th round pick to the 49ers for Trey Lance.

https://sports.yahoo.com/breaking-49ers-trade-qb-trey-232228303.html

It is starting to look like the 49ers brain trust have been a bit overrated.  For all the hosannas, they’ve made some really questionable decisions that don’t get nearly enough attention. It’s always “Kyle Shanahan is a visionary” and “John Lynch is a genius.”  But the Packers are dummies for taking a quarterback when they weren’t in dire need of one.  Ok, then.  Good luck with Sam Darnold, compadres.

[SeaBass]

1 hour ago, HarveysWBs said:

But the Packers are dummies for taking a quarterback when they weren’t in dire need of one.

And spending a 4th round pick for him... I glommed onto that little detail immediately.

[HarveysWBs]

18 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

And spending a 4th round pick for him... I glommed onto that little detail immediately.

Good point

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

It is starting to look like the 49ers brain trust have been a bit overrated.  For all the hosannas, they’ve made some really questionable decisions that don’t get nearly enough attention. It’s always “Kyle Shanahan is a visionary” and “John Lynch is a genius.”  But the Packers are dummies for taking a quarterback when they weren’t in dire need of one.  Ok, then.  Good luck with Sam Darnold, compadres.

I was JUST chatting with a 49ers fan on Twitter asking if Lynch was actually a good GM or if he came into a good situation and then just hired a good coach and...he didn't have an answer for me.

Look at their best players. 

Williams-Washington was done and they gave up draft capital for him.
Bosa-Obvious pick for them.
Kittle-Not on their team.

But then they DID go out and get Warner, Deebo, Aiyuk, Hufanga(he was a 6th rounder). 

Their firsts are...uneven at best, but where they're good, they're REALLY good. And they trade for players like McCaffery and again, great coach.

 

I think Lynch is more 2nd half Ted Thompson career in terms of drafting. Early misses, late round hits here and there...some have to be lucky. Brock Purdy'? But they're a really good team.

 

Go look at the Eagles drafts year by year. Those weren't pretty either. But they found some studs in strange places, so...I don't know. Roseman has been outstanding the last couple years though. No question about that.

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, SeaBass said:

And spending a 4th round pick for him... I glommed onto that little detail immediately.

I still know of Packers fans who think Favre should have finished his career in GB...

So the Packers way of drafting their successor toward the end of their great QBs career(which they've done twice, so maybe not an MO yet) may always be unpopular with some fans.

I just want Rodgers to stop acting like an annoying Ex telling everyone how much he loves his new team and was ready to leave GB when he wanted to come back and ONLY chose the Jets when the Packers approached the Jets and they were the only team that wanted him in the AFC.

But we'll make up and move on. It'll be much easier if Love has more success in the playoffs than Rodgers.

[HarveysWBs]

7 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I was JUST chatting with a 49ers fan on Twitter asking if Lynch was actually a good GM or if he came into a good situation and then just hired a good coach and...he didn't have an answer for me.

Look at their best players. 

Williams-Washington was done and they gave up draft capital for him.
Bosa-Obvious pick for them.
Kittle-Not on their team.

But then they DID go out and get Warner, Deebo, Aiyuk, Hufanga(he was a 6th rounder). 

Their firsts are...uneven at best, but where they're good, they're REALLY good. And they trade for players like McCaffery and again, great coach.

 

I think Lynch is more 2nd half Ted Thompson career in terms of drafting. Early misses, late round hits here and there...some have to be lucky. Brock Purdy'? But they're a really good team.

 

Go look at the Eagles drafts year by year. Those weren't pretty either. But they found some studs in strange places, so...I don't know. Roseman has been outstanding the last couple years though. No question about that.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn’t call them a stupid franchise.  They have several things going for them, and I will be the first to admit that I thought the CM3 trade was a horrific blunder, yet it seems to have turned their offense around last year and gave them a chance at a playoff run, so hats off to that decision…

…but is CM3 really going to stay healthy again?  To get one full season out of him was pretty lucky.  He’s under contract for three more years with a ballooning cap hit after this year, so how much more value and health can they reasonably expect to squeeze out of him?  It was a weird trade, and another example of how they make decisions like this that smack of arrogance—“everyone knows you have to have a QB and you don’t pay for RBs, but we’re the 49ers and we can do it differently” sort of vibe.

[BrewerFan]

13 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

Yeah, I certainly wouldn’t call them a stupid franchise.  They have several things going for them, and I will be the first to admit that I thought the CM3 trade was a horrific blunder, yet it seems to have turned their offense around last year and gave them a chance at a playoff run, so hats off to that decision…

…but is CM3 really going to stay healthy again?  To get one full season out of him was pretty lucky.  He’s under contract for three more years with a ballooning cap hit after this year, so how much more value and health can they reasonably expect to squeeze out of him?  It was a weird trade, and another example of how they make decisions like this that smack of arrogance—“everyone knows you have to have a QB and you don’t pay for RBs, but we’re the 49ers and we can do it differently” sort of vibe.

I don't know with McCaffery, but I think that's worth the risk. They paid a premium to get him(2,3,4 in '23, 5th in '24). But what he can bring to a team, particularly in that system is huge. It's like having a really good slot receiver and RB. 

They can line Deebo up at RB, McCaffery at WRer and you have no idea what they're going to do.

I still believe Trey Lance can be a really good NFL QB. I'd have gladly traded for him. A 4th round pick is a lot to give up for a guy who's thrown just 711 passes in HS, College and the NFL, but what he needs is to sit, learn and a good QB coach. I don't think McCarthy is a great coach(I think he's a better coach than his reputation, but still) but he did play a big role in developing a lot of different QBs.

I think I'd have traded a 4th to get two years of Lance for ~2M in Base salary and let Tom Clement get his hands on him if we were in ANY other type of situation. Just break down those mechanics, build them back up like they did with Rodgers and let him run the scout team. 

I'm very confident in the Love/Clifford combination(insomuch as anyone can be with two QBs with 1 combined start)...but Lance's physical tools haven't gone anywhere. 

 

One thing they continually have going for them is they can pay other position because of the QBs. This year their most expensive QB will be Trey Lance and the ~9M cap hit. But Purdy is ~900K and Darnold is ~5M. 

I think their arrogance is a bit justified and I hope this will translate to Love, but it's a very QB friendly system. That much more when you've got a dominant LT, and weapons at both RB, WRer and TE. And of course, they added an elite DT when they signed Hargrave to go with Trent Williams. That's a whole lot of talent on that DL. 

They will likely have to give Nick Bosa something along the lines of 5/150. I'd guess 30M AAV and 70M fully GTD. 

 

Another reason I'd love to hear the Packers announce a Rashan Gary extension soon. His number is just going to sky rocket if he comes back and is healthy.

[CheezWizHed]

I don't know if the Cowboys will be the best situation for Lance either.  Dak is losing favor in Dallas and Lance needs some time to develop. Can MM develop him?

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

I don't know if the Cowboys will be the best situation for Lance either.  Dak is losing favor in Dallas and Lance needs some time to develop. Can MM develop him?

The best place for him would be somewhere that's got a HC who is offensive minded and has job security and a QB who's established. 

That'd probably be KC. Denver with a better version of Wilson. 

Then again, I thought SF was a pretty good situation as well, but they deemed him good enough to start last year and then seemed to give up on him.
 

[Fear The Chorizo]

Brock Purdy played really well for the last player drafted in the 2022 draft last season - but after suffering an elbow injury in his 12th NFL start I think giving up on Lance without him really getting an extended shot to be the man, and instead handing the keys to the franchise to Purdy is pretty rash.  Almost seems like a move to get him out of San Fran in case Purdy struggles and they don't have to deal with calls for Lance to become the starter again.  Jimmy G mentioned the weirdness related to the QB room in 49erland the past few seasons, and while some of that may be sour grapes from a former player he's also not wrong.

 

Will be interested to see how much guaranteed $ they have to shell out to get Bosa extended...and if NFL karma follows its typical path with non-QBs signing market-setting contracts after extended preseason holdouts I'd fully expect Bosa to suffer a season-ending injury by the end of September.

 

I can see the 49ers making another deep postseason run, or having a trainwreck of a season followed by a bunch of offseason question marks with a roster no longer as deep and inexpensive as it was a couple years ago.

 

 

[HarryDoyle]

It's finally here!

[HarryDoyle]

Dan Campbell with the trickery already. I don't know why he would pull that inside his own 20. The Lions don't gain much.

[HarryDoyle]

5 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Dan Campbell with the trickery already. I don't know why he would pull that inside his own 20. The Lions don't gain much.

And obviously they get 7 so what do I know?

[homer]

Trade Nijman to the Chiefs

[yourout]

Lions have the best coach in the division.

I think they win the North with ease.

[adambr2]

3 minutes ago, yourout said:

Lions have the best coach in the division.

I thought so until about 2 minutes ago. Who punts on 4th and 3 from the opposing 40? Did he forget that it's not 1992?

[homer]

Just now, adambr2 said:

I thought so until about 2 minutes ago. Who punts on 4th and 3 from the opposing 40? Did he forget that it's not 1992?

after faking a punt from inside his own 20

[homer]

Chiefs getting way too cute on short yardage again