2023 NFL Discussion Thread

[nate82]

4 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Logged into Twitter to peruse any possible Packers D-Coordinator news. Somehow wound up in a Taylor Swift AI  post. Didn't see that coming from all the hoopla!😅 

Hopefully it was not a NSFW one.

[Underachiever]

5 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I sign stealing easier in the NFL?  

From Wikipedia: A common generic name for medieval war horses was charger, which was interchangeable with the other terms). In Spain, the jennet was used as a light cavalry horse. Stallions were often used as war horses in Europe due to their natural aggression and hot-blooded tendencies.

Connect the dots, people!

[HarryDoyle]

Unfortunately Barry will not be the Bears DC.

 

[nate82]

18 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Unfortunately Barry will not be the Bears DC.

 

Barry was just a courtesy interview to fill the minimum number of interviews.  Washington was the hire everyone else had no chance.

[stalton]

I don't know if there's any substance to the rumor that the rules committee is looking at changing the fumble out of bounds ruling, but I for one like it how it is. 

With a rule change, Leon Lett doesn't get goated by Don Beebe

[Fear The Chorizo]

17 minutes ago, stalton said:

I don't know if there's any substance to the rumor that the rules committee is looking at changing the fumble out of bounds ruling, but I for one like it how it is. 

With a rule change, Leon Lett doesn't get goated by Don Beebe

I agree - if a player can get a TD by clipping the pylon with the football before he loses possession (which is technically on the sideline and out of bounds, btw) with no other part of his body in the field of play or in the end zone, then there needs to be a rule carrying significant risk to attempting that type of play that results in a turnover.

[young guns]

Every time I see someone against it there is talk about it penalizing the offense too much.  I just view it as a reward for the defense.

[Jimbo]

On 1/27/2024 at 10:47 AM, stalton said:

I don't know if there's any substance to the rumor that the rules committee is looking at changing the fumble out of bounds ruling, but I for one like it how it is. 

With a rule change, Leon Lett doesn't get goated by Don Beebe

I prefer the CFL rule.  Last team to touch in bounds gets possession.

 

[Jimbo]

Either this thread or another, I mentioned my brother lives in Jacksonville.  Talking to him yesterday, he mentioned Jacksonville will be renovating the stadium this fall and may not be able to host games.  I asked if the Jags would play in Orlando.  He said they were thinking of playing at "The Swamp".  So a head's up to you traveling Packer Nation.

 

[HarryDoyle]

Sounds li Ben Johnson is staying in Detroit. Can’t say I blame him. I don’t think Seattle and Washington are very good jobs. Washington hasn’t been a good job since the 80s.

[nate82]

Apparently no one wanted Belichick as a HC.  Maybe he can become the greatest HC in another league now.  Unless someone gets super desperate next year Belichick is done and thank goodness. 

[Samurai Bucky]

On 2/2/2024 at 2:05 PM, nate82 said:

Apparently no one wanted Belichick as a HC.  Maybe he can become the greatest HC in another league now.  Unless someone gets super desperate next year Belichick is done and thank goodness. 

United Football League perhaps?

[nate82]

2 hours ago, Samurai Bucky said:

United Football League perhaps?

Probably the only league he will coach in again.

[Fear The Chorizo]

On 2/2/2024 at 2:05 PM, nate82 said:

Apparently no one wanted Belichick as a HC.  Maybe he can become the greatest HC in another league now.  Unless someone gets super desperate next year Belichick is done and thank goodness. 

It wouldn't surprise me to see him wind up in Dallas if McCarthy goes down in flames next season - it seems like that'd be oil and water with how much Jerry Jones meddles, but the two of them have a longstanding relationship - with the hard decisions and contract extensions + Dak's huge 2024 contract on the books, next season is the wrong time to bring a new coach into that spot.

[jerichoholicninja]

Bill will have a job for 2025. Some owner will freak out and hire him. Since both can't win the Super Bowl, one of Dallas or Philly would be a good bet. I wouldn't put it past Mark Davis to fire Pierce and hire Belichek if the Raiders can't sniff .500. Both New York city teams are teetering on the brink of a total restart and Buffalo has rumblings of needing a new coaching staff. Never underestimate an NFL owner's desire to want a retread for a "fresh" start.

[yourout]

On 2/2/2024 at 2:05 PM, nate82 said:

Apparently no one wanted Belichick as a HC.  Maybe he can become the greatest HC in another league now.  Unless someone gets super desperate next year Belichick is done and thank goodness. 

He's always going to have the albatross of not being able to win super bowls without Brady around his neck.

It really was a perfect blend though with his mind on the defense and Brady running the offense

[BrewerFan]

On 2/4/2024 at 11:54 AM, yourout said:

He's always going to have the albatross of not being able to win super bowls without Brady around his neck.

It really was a perfect blend though with his mind on the defense and Brady running the offense

He may, but I think that's just ridiculous. Setting aside that he did win a couple as a DC and was given a lot of credit for winning those SBs, look at some of the SBs he won with NE? The Rams' wins(x2) were on the defense, against the Panthers...

Even last year he had some games where he just shut teams down defensively. He's a brilliant defensive mind and he's not gotten stale. What he has done is run the Pats into the ground by drafting guys like Strange in the 1st rd when everyone else has 3rd or 4th rd grades on them. Trying to out-smart everyone. 

If Dallas was smart, they'd make Will McClay their GM, he'd have total FB authority. They'd bring in Belichick. He'd have complete autonomy over coaching the team. You can bring McDaniels back...I think he's a good OC, clearly just not a good HC.

You could do the same in Philly as they already have a similar system in place with Roseman and Lurie. Both teams have WRers who are really good after the catch so it kinda fits what *(Edit) Belichick likes to do. 

I don't particularly like either BB or Brady, but it would be silly to ascribe more value to either one IMO. It was, as you said, kinda the perfect fit.

 

[GAME05]

Billichek will be fine once he has the GM role stripped from him. I figure someone will get fired mid-season and Billichek will be the first choice.

Although really I can't figure why a 71-year-old guy would want to keep working in the NFL in the first place. I know someone who had a much smaller role with the Badgers who would put in 20-hour days and sometimes sleep in his office because there was so much work to do. How in the world can a 71-year-old guy keep up the kind of hours necessary to be a head coach?

[nate82]

The thing with Belichick is that he will take your team backwards.  It is like hiring Tony LaRussa in baseball.  Forget any kind of analytics at all for your team as he won’t even listen to them if he will even allow them in the coaching room at all.  Also your coaching staff will be a lot smaller as Belichick will only bring in guys he trusts which is a small handful of guys.  If they suck they suck he won’t hire anyone else outside of that small circle.

Belichick may still be a great defensive game planner but that is all you are getting from him.  If you want your team to be more analytical or bringing in more coaches to up skill your other players then Belichick is not who you want.  Dallas and Philadelphia are not places where Belichick would thrive.  It would be one season max and I doubt he makes it a full season at either of those teams before he is fired.

The Colts are probably the team that would hire him and probably give him the GM role also.  

[BrewerFan]

8 hours ago, nate82 said:

The thing with Belichick is that he will take your team backwards.  It is like hiring Tony LaRussa in baseball.  Forget any kind of analytics at all for your team as he won’t even listen to them if he will even allow them in the coaching room at all.  Also your coaching staff will be a lot smaller as Belichick will only bring in guys he trusts which is a small handful of guys.  If they suck they suck he won’t hire anyone else outside of that small circle.

Belichick may still be a great defensive game planner but that is all you are getting from him.  If you want your team to be more analytical or bringing in more coaches to up skill your other players then Belichick is not who you want.  Dallas and Philadelphia are not places where Belichick would thrive.  It would be one season max and I doubt he makes it a full season at either of those teams before he is fired.

The Colts are probably the team that would hire him and probably give him the GM role also.  

I'm saying in both Philly and Dallas, each side would work with some concessions. They both have strong owners, the Cowboys would have to hire McKlay, who is one of the up-and-coming GM candidates. So for it to work, Jones would have to step back, Bellichick would have to as well. I don't know that he would, but the opportunity to win in Dallas would seem like a helluva incentive.

In Philly, he'd stay in the same general region and they already have the ownership and GM in place. So he'd have to JUST be the head coach.

I also wouldn't care about how he uses analytics. Bellichick was going for it on 4th and 3 from his own 30 vs Indy because he knew his team couldn't stop Peyton Manning. I think relying on analytics in Football is a bit of a crutch. 

Beyond that, I just don't see how you can say, "Belichick may still be a great defensive game planner, but that is all you are getting from him." You're getting an entire culture. A guy with EIGHT Super Bowl rings. 

People forget awfully quickly what a great coach he is. 

 

If you hire him as your coach and GM, then it's destined to fail. But he wants to keep going. 

15 hours ago, GAME05 said:

Although really I can't figure why a 71-year-old guy would want to keep working in the NFL in the first place. I know someone who had a much smaller role with the Badgers who would put in 20-hour days and sometimes sleep in his office because there was so much work to do. How in the world can a 71-year-old guy keep up the kind of hours necessary to be a head coach?

People have said it's to set the all-time wins record. Others retire and they lack purpose. I don't know, it's a LOT of work. The hours are insane. 

[HarryDoyle]

So Joe Barry is going to be linebackers coach in Miami and also run defense coordinator.

Barry Gets New Job; Will That Defense Stop the Run? (msn.com)

Insert joke here.

[CheezWizHed]

2024: Love beats the bears 2x... and the McCaskeys will bring in Billecheck. 

[bjkrautk]

49ers fired their Defensive Coordinator after losing the Super Bowl.  I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation.