MLB 2023 Miscellaneous News

[Frisbee Slider]

17 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

What some arrogant and tone deaf responses by Hader. Is this who he's always been or has the Padres clubhouse made him this way.

Hader needs to survive one more week to presumably receive a giant offseason contract.

 

[Playing Catch]

8 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Hader needs to survive one more week to presumably receive a giant offseason contract.

 

I'd be curious if there are certain "usage" rules attached to some contracts, in terms of number of days after a 4+ out outings, or things like that.

The "you guys want me to do everything," certainly suggests that there is more to the story.

[MrTPlush]

Josh Hader only cares about the money, that has been quite obvious for years. There isn't more to the story...Josh Hader just hates anything that may cost him a dollar. 

[Frisbee Slider]

I looked it up, and sure enough, Josh Hader only has one inning outings since August 14, 2020.

https://stathead.com/tiny/rq8Uo

 

 

[jerichoholicninja]

1 hour ago, MrTPlush said:

Josh Hader only cares about the money, that has been quite obvious for years. There isn't more to the story...Josh Hader just hates anything that may cost him a dollar. 

That's fine and totally understandable for a professional athlete but if he's concerned about getting hurt throwing more than 3 outs in a game I question how much of an athlete he truly is.

[Jake McKibbin]

15 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

That's fine and totally understandable for a professional athlete but if he's concerned about getting hurt throwing more than 3 outs in a game I question how much of an athlete he truly is.

In his defense, he has nothing to gain by playing from now to the end of the season, but a lot to lose in terms of injury. 

Looking like a bad teammate may cost him offers from some places, but Mets, Yankees etc wouldn't care at all

If he does pick up an injury, he could lose 20 million instantly off a contract, that's a ton of money

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Jake McKibbin said:

In his defense, he has nothing to gain by playing from now to the end of the season, but a lot to lose in terms of injury. 

Looking like a bad teammate may cost him offers from some places, but Mets, Yankees etc wouldn't care at all

If he does pick up an injury, he could lose 20 million instantly off a contract, that's a ton of money

Yep. Understandable imo when you've worked all your life for something and are in line for generational money. A lot of us would make the same calculation.  

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Yep. Understandable imo when you've worked all your life for something and are in line for generational money. A lot of us would make the same calculation.  

Except Hader has been crying about his usage and in what inning it was in for nearly a half decade. This isn’t really something he got cautious about two weeks before Free Agency.

I am surprised this is even news, who called him out for refusing to pitch? Hader has pitched 4 outs just three times since 2019. The postseason once last year, 2020 during the regular season, and 2020 during the postseason.

The guy has never been a team player, just looking to get paid. Complain about being a closer or not is one thing. But he complains about arbitration every time and refuses to pitch more than an inning. He knows he gets paid based on ERA and saves. A few less innings is great, just pad his stats. 
 

I mean one time he made his Players Weekend jersey his outdoor clothing brand on the back to try and use it as marketing instead of his legitimate nickname. 

[Brewcrew82]

22 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Except Hader has been crying about his usage and in what inning it was in for nearly a half decade. This isn’t really something he got cautious about two weeks before Free Agency.

I am surprised this is even news, who called him out for refusing to pitch? Hader has pitched 4 outs just three times since 2019. The postseason once last year, 2020 during the regular season, and 2020 during the postseason.

The guy has never been a team player, just looking to get paid. Complain about being a closer or not is one thing. But he complains about arbitration every time and refuses to pitch more than an inning. He knows he gets paid based on ERA and saves. A few less innings is great, just pad his stats. 
 

I mean one time he made his Players Weekend jersey his outdoor clothing brand on the back to try and use it as marketing instead of his legitimate nickname. 

It all stems back from when he lost his first arbitration case because the Brewers argued that he didn't pick up as many saves as other elite relievers and shouldn't be paid as such. Since then, he's exclusively been a one inning guy who refuses to pitch outside of save situations in the 9th. It's been about his bottom line ever since then.

At the same time, I have a hard time criticizing a guy for doing that when any number of us would make the same decision (and in fact do in our daily lives) to protect ourselves and our families by maximizing earning opportunities and reducing/eliminating risk. 

[tmwiese55]

Yea and I've figured part of the rift with MKE the whole time was knowing he'd be operating on one year contracts the whole time.  I would guess he's the type who would've preferred to lock in a guaranteed contract several years ago so he could have the money in the bank. And of course a team like MKE wasn't going to give a reliver a big long contract and he's clearly not willing to give a discount in order to get the deal done.  I guess I'm just saying I bet he's been in big fear of injury that could cost him his payday for years.   No one is really at fault here, it's just the system in place by MLB.

I'll be curious if he gets an Aroldis Chapman type contract this offseason if he'll go back to being a bit more flexible on this stuff since he has the 50+ mil in the bank

[dlk9s]

23 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

In his defense, he has nothing to gain by playing from now to the end of the season

I absolutely do not begrudge athletes from doing what they need to do to maximize their earnings, but the Padres are still alive in the playoff hunt. (barely)

[jerichoholicninja]

It's one thing to only care about the big payday, it's another thing to dictate your team use you in a way that is solely for your own benefit and I don't know how or why a team would allow it to happen. Don't use him for more than 3 outs in a game in April, sure. But the playoffs are on the line and he says nah and you listen, grow a pair Melvin.

[markedman5]

From manager of the year in 2021 to “ You’re fired!” In 2023
 

 

[HarryDoyle]

I guess Angel Hernandez struck again last night.

[folly412]

6 hours ago, markedman5 said:

From manager of the year in 2021 to “ You’re fired!” In 2023
 

 

78-81 with that roster isn't half bad.  Also, there was either something else going on or it's really lame to fire him with three games to go.

[sveumrules]

15 minutes ago, folly412 said:

78-81 with that roster isn't half bad.  Also, there was either something else going on or it's really lame to fire him with three games to go.

That SF roster had a $187M opening day price tag, 10th in MLB per Cots.

Giants didn’t fail quite as spectacularly as the Mets (72-86 | $331M) or Yankees (81-79 | $278M) or Padres (80-80 | $249M) or Angels (72-88 | $212M) or White Sox (61-99 | $181M) or Cardinals (69-91 | $177M) or Rockies (58-102 | $172M) in terms of dollars per win (some pretty steep competition this year), but they came up short of expectations two seasons in a row now either way.

Closest match for SF this year was probably Boston (77-83 | $181M), and they just fired Bloom.

Gabe had the one out of nowhere year in 2021 when SF went 107-55, but kinda crazy how close he has been to .500 every other season, 80-82 then 81-81 his two seasons in Philly, followed by 29-31, 81-81 and now 78-81 with the Giants outside of 2021.

[nate82]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Gabe had the one out of nowhere year in 2021 when SF went 107-55, but kinda crazy how close he has been to .500 every other season, 80-82 then 81-81 his two seasons in Philly, followed by 29-31, 81-81 and now 78-81 with the Giants outside of 2021.

That 2021 team was more of mirage than it was real.  A lot of wins that were 1-run games.  They went 31-17 in 1-run games in 2021.

It was a bit of luck and a few players having career years.  For as much devil magic the Cardinals have the Giants seem to have just as much.  

[Oxy]

On 9/28/2023 at 11:20 AM, Brewcrew82 said:

It all stems back from when he lost his first arbitration case because the Brewers argued that he didn't pick up as many saves as other elite relievers and shouldn't be paid as such. Since then, he's exclusively been a one inning guy who refuses to pitch outside of save situations in the 9th. It's been about his bottom line ever since then.

At the same time, I have a hard time criticizing a guy for doing that when any number of us would make the same decision (and in fact do in our daily lives) to protect ourselves and our families by maximizing earning opportunities and reducing/eliminating risk. 

Yeah.  Josh was pure nails during his pre-arby years being used for multiple innings at any time during high leverage situations.  I remember him saying he's willing to pitch whenever his name is called and he'd do whatever the Brewers want him to do.  When arby time came and his numbers basically showed he was the best reliever in the league, he should have been compensated for that (relative to other 1st year arby relievers).  When he wasn't paid like that purely because of some stupid stat like "saves" and that stat is 100% based on how a team uses a player, that's pretty cold.  I don't begrudge Josh chasing saves after that,

[HarryDoyle]

Buck Showalter says he will not be back as Mets manager.

[areacodes]

On 9/30/2023 at 5:34 PM, Oxy said:

Yeah.  Josh was pure nails during his pre-arby years being used for multiple innings at any time during high leverage situations.  I remember him saying he's willing to pitch whenever his name is called and he'd do whatever the Brewers want him to do.  When arby time came and his numbers basically showed he was the best reliever in the league, he should have been compensated for that (relative to other 1st year arby relievers).  When he wasn't paid like that purely because of some stupid stat like "saves" and that stat is 100% based on how a team uses a player, that's pretty cold.  I don't begrudge Josh chasing saves after that,

What did other first year arby relievers get?  Who got more than him?

[Oxy]

14 minutes ago, areacodes said:

What did other first year arby relievers get?  Who got more than him?

One example--Edwin Diaz got 5.1M and he missed an entire pre-arby year to injury.  Hader made 4.1M.

[Jim French Stepstool]

11 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Buck Showalter says he will not be back as Mets manager.

I have no idea how reactionary they'll be to their poor finish, but if they move away from Ross hiring Showalter seems to me like a very Cubs thing to do. Although he is getting a bit long in the tooth.

[jerichoholicninja]

Stearns told Buck resign or be fired. This will be Stearns first time hiring a manager. It will be interesting to see what candidates he brings in - outside of Counsell obviously (blue, maybe).

[folly412]

Thought Bauer's suspension/banishment was excessive, but like most, didn't feel much sympathy given some of his prior behavior.  But, wow...he really was screwed.

 

[Dragonbait]

Surprised no one else mentioned Tim Wakefield's passing...