Rumor: Top 50 Trade Candidates - Who Interests You?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Trade season is sneaking up on us and MLB Trade Rumors released their first list of top 50 trade candidates.

The Brewers have several holes that could be filled, some larger than others. The biggest and easiest target is a first baseman, though with Keston Hiura still sitting in AAA, it feels slightly weird to go straight for a marginal upgrade like CJ Cron or Carlos Santana before giving the enigmatic Hiura another shot.

With the recent and complete implosion of Matt Bush, another late inning reliever may be in order as well.

How do you approach the deadline? Do you work around the margins with a Carlos Santana or do you push some chips into the middle of the table and pursue a bigger name? And which names interest you from this list?

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[Brewcrew82]

Honestly, if we're going to buy, I'm of the perspective that we should actually buy and push some chips in. Not do some half-hearted nonsense like last year. My wish list in order:

1) Bellinger 2) Thomas 3) Turner 4) Candelario 5) Pham 6) O'Neil 7) Santana 8) Canha

Would also ask about Alonso and Goldschmidt....

And then seems clear that we'll need a bullpen arm or two. Not from the top of the reliever market, but arms who can help solidify the back-end of the pen and not repeatedly blow up when one of our "Big 5" isn't in the game. 

Only "untouchables" from the farm system would be Chourio and Misiorowski. 

[nate82]

15 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Only "untouchables" from the farm system would be Chourio and Misiorowski. 

Then you are not getting Alonso or Goldschmidt.  Maybe something like Black, Frelick and a few lower end prospects for Alonso could be possible but I think the Mets would want Chourio included in the trade for Alonso.  

[Brewcrew82]

12 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Then you are not getting Alonso or Goldschmidt.  Maybe something like Black, Frelick and a few lower end prospects for Alonso could be possible but I think the Mets would want Chourio included in the trade for Alonso.  

No...

BTV has Frelick alone as a major overpay for Goldschmidt and Alonso.

Mets can say they want Chourio, but they're not getting him for 1.5 years of Alonso. 

[nate82]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

BTV has Frelick alone as a major overpay for Goldschmidt and Alonso.

Mets can say they want Chourio, but they're not getting him for 1.5 years of Alonso. 

The Mets and Cardinals don't have to trade either player so it is what they value the players at which is going to be higher than what they are actually worth.  It is meet our price or don't get them. 

[phnxcrew]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No...

BTV has Frelick alone as a major overpay for Goldschmidt and Alonso.

Mets can say they want Chourio, but they're not getting him for 1.5 years of Alonso. 

GMs are getting much more realistic minor league talent for veterans when compared to 10+ years ago where an Alonso would bet you three future all stars.  Frelick for Goldy straight up is a slight overpay but something I would do.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, nate82 said:

The Mets and Cardinals don't have to trade either player so it is what they value the players at which is going to be higher than what they are actually worth.  It is meet our price or don't get them. 

For an "overpay", the most I would give up is Frelick/Quero and Black. One top 50 player and a borderline top 100 player. They're not going to get much better than that if they wait. 

 

[Brock Beauchamp]

41 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Then you are not getting Alonso or Goldschmidt.  Maybe something like Black, Frelick and a few lower end prospects for Alonso could be possible but I think the Mets would want Chourio included in the trade for Alonso.  

That’s an absurd overpay. Chourio is a top five global prospect. Alonso is a good player with 1.5 years of control whose contract isn’t super favorable. 

[nate82]

4 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

That’s an absurd overpay. Chourio is a top five global prospect. Alonso is a good player with 1.5 years of control whose contract isn’t super favorable. 

I don't think the Mets would accept anything less and really they don't need to trade Alonso so it is pay up or don't.

[Harold Hutchison]

Brewers Get:

SP Max Scherzer

Mets Get:

OF Hedbert Perez

LHP Russell Smith

IF Eduardo Garcia

 

Brewers Get:

1B CJ Cron

LHP Brent Suter

Rockies Get:

OF Hendry Mendez

RHP Janson Junk

 

[brewcrewdue80]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

I don't think the Mets would accept anything less and really they don't need to trade Alonso so it is pay up or don't.

That's foolish and you know it.  Anything less is most definitely happening.  Chourio is the #1/2 prospect in baseball.  De La Cruz will have graduated by the deadline.  There is no way Chourio is even on the table in trade literally barring it being for somebody like De La Cruz/Caroll or Henderson.   Mets can ask for that type of return, but teams aren't meeting it.  Pittsburgh never got what they asked for Reynolds and then finally extended him.  Don't believe the Brewers got what they wanted for Hader, but Arnold made a mistake during a rough month for Hader and pulled the trigger on what was clearly below the return I'd have expected for Hader.   Alonso is going to be on track for over 20mil pay next season and .214/.307 is looking just a little bit better than Tellez of 2022.    2020 Alonso played 57games worth .2WAR around what he's tracking at right now.  Teams aren't lining up to pay his 20+mil salary next season knowing that line is in play and will demand a cheaper prospect cost.  

[nate82]

49 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

That's foolish and you know it. 

How is that foolish?  The Mets are not going to dump Alonso for anything less.  The Mets are going to demand elite talent in return for Alonso and that means Chourio from the Brewers.  For this reason I don't see the Mets trading Alonso.  It is very similar to the Reynolds ask from the Pirates.  The more likely scenario would be the Mets extending Alonso than them trading him as they don't really have the financial restraints the Brewers had with Hader. 

The Mets can just wait it out and they will unless their price is met. 

[wallus]

No way the Brewers are going to trade Chourio for Alonso or old ass Goldschmidt, come on now.

[brewcrewdue80]

5 hours ago, nate82 said:

How is that foolish?  The Mets are not going to dump Alonso for anything less.  The Mets are going to demand elite talent in return for Alonso and that means Chourio from the Brewers.  For this reason I don't see the Mets trading Alonso.  It is very similar to the Reynolds ask from the Pirates.  The more likely scenario would be the Mets extending Alonso than them trading him as they don't really have the financial restraints the Brewers had with Hader. 

The Mets can just wait it out and they will unless their price is met. 

So there's only 4 teams in baseball-Arizona, Milw, Cincy, and maybe Baltimore who could trade for Alonso? Dela Cruz, Chourio, Caroll, and Henderson? Anybody else?

[umphrey]

Chourio is completely floundering in AA this year. He’s going to plummet down the prospect lists. He doesn’t have the pedigree or enough history to be able to have a bad year and still stick as a top 10 prospect. 

[Jake McKibbin]

3 minutes ago, umphrey said:

Chourio is completely floundering in AA this year. He’s going to plummet down the prospect lists. He doesn’t have the pedigree or enough history to be able to have a bad year and still stick as a top 10 prospect. 

He's not floundering, he's just developing with his pitch recognition and the mental side of things. The bat speed is still outrageous

[Jake McKibbin]

9 hours ago, clancyphile said:

Brewers Get:

SP Max Scherzer

Mets Get:

OF Hedbert Perez

LHP Russell Smith

IF Eduardo Garcia

 

Brewers Get:

1B CJ Cron

LHP Brent Suter

Rockies Get:

OF Hendry Mendez

RHP Janson Junk

 

.........

[SF70]

12 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

For an "overpay", the most I would give up is Frelick/Quero and Black. One top 50 player and a borderline top 100 player. They're not going to get much better than that if they wait. 

 

This is nuts.

Quero’s trajectory is the top catching prospect in baseball and eventual top 10 prospect in the game, which makes him untouchable just like Chourio.

Adding Goldschmidt/Alonzo pretty much forces the team to go for it next year as well, which eliminates getting top prospect talent for the big 3 through trades.

 

[Playing Catch]

After some consideration, I don't want to trade Chourio for Alonso. With this said, there is a school of thought that says you want to trade a player when they are at their peak value. While I'm not predicting this, it's possible this is perfect time to trade Chourio.

[igor67]

If we had fewer issues in the line-up I'd be willing to trade Chourio to rent Ohtani, but that's about it. As I look at the leader boards for LF, 1st, and DH I miss the 90's when sluggers who were defense optional grew on trees. Our production there has been terrible, but even almost all the modest .800 OPS level bats are already on contenders.

[Playing Catch]

Yeah, going through this exercise every few days of trying to scrounge up some modest production in the lineup is a chore. It makes you appreciate that they are at least thinking outside the box by getting guys like Perkins, Tapia, and Jones.

[nate82]

6 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

So there's only 4 teams in baseball-Arizona, Milw, Cincy, and maybe Baltimore who could trade for Alonso? Dela Cruz, Chourio, Caroll, and Henderson? Anybody else?

Yes and No.  The Mets are not going to trade Alonso as they still see themselves as a playoff team.  Why would they trade someone off their roster when they expect to be competing next year and that player would be someone that they would want to be on their team next year? 

Any team wanting to trade for Alonso will have to overpay to get him and not just a small overpay but a franchise altering overpay.  Alonso's salary and stats this year are irrelevant in this discussion.  The Mets are going to demand an elite return for Alonso and they won't care about his production or his salary number next year.  It will be pay the price the Mets are asking for or don't it won't matter to them. 

[Jopal78]

5 hours ago, umphrey said:

Chourio is completely floundering in AA this year. He’s going to plummet down the prospect lists. He doesn’t have the pedigree or enough history to be able to have a bad year and still stick as a top 10 prospect. 

Bingo. 
 

Though the Brewers shouldn’t trade any of their key prospects this year. Adding one veteran hitter isn’t going to vault them into the upper half of the league in hitting.

Plus, with a sea change of players likely leaving in the next year or so: Caratini, Tellez, Adames, Burnes, Woodruff, Houser, Miley, Teheran, Winker, Anderson etc., they will need those prospects.

In all likelihood the Brewers try to get incrementally better where they can acquire players cheaply in terms of prospect capital (like Matt Bush in ‘22, Daniel Norris in ‘21, Jordan Lyles in ‘19 etc.).

[TURBO]

17 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

For an "overpay", the most I would give up is Frelick/Quero and Black. One top 50 player and a borderline top 100 player. They're not going to get much better than that if they wait. 

 

I'm not giving up Black or Quero for Alonso.  1.5 years of a guy who isn't enough to push us over the edge is an overpay, severely.

Hold on to Black, Quero, Chourio, and Frelick and be happy as hell we did 2 years from now.

One player like Goldy or Alonso isn't going to be enough of a difference maker to get us deep into the playoffs.  It's going to take at least another top bat for us to have a chance.

[brewcrewdue80]

5 hours ago, umphrey said:

Chourio is completely floundering in AA this year. He’s going to plummet down the prospect lists. He doesn’t have the pedigree or enough history to be able to have a bad year and still stick as a top 10 prospect. 

He's a 19year old in AA. Holiday ahead of him is older 19 just in A+.  De La Cruz is 21 nearly 22months older than Chourio.  He was at Rok/A ball vs where Chourio is competing at 19. You could do this all the way down the top 100 list. The season isn't over and it doesn't take much of a run to make his numbers eye popping for his age than they already are.

 

2 hours ago, nate82 said:

Yes and No.  The Mets are not going to trade Alonso as they still see themselves as a playoff team.  Why would they trade someone off their roster when they expect to be competing next year and that player would be someone that they would want to be on their team next year? 

Any team wanting to trade for Alonso will have to overpay to get him and not just a small overpay but a franchise altering overpay.  Alonso's salary and stats this year are irrelevant in this discussion. 

Doesn't this statement mean the Brewers should still be seeking a top 20 prospect for Adames?  You know, should Milw be swept all 6 games vs the Reds or lose 5 of 6(lost 5 straight to Pittsburgh that one year just saying)

Hope Adames has himself a decent July.  Alonso has just a few extra HRs on his statline that keeps him from being meh.  Savant has his EV down 3 years straight, max HR distance 3 years straight, his XHR lower than all the other MLB stadiums except the 26 in Mets.  He's trending down as he ages.