Keston Hiura has a .984 OPS in Nashville

[rickh150]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

Toro: can be optioned back to AAA, okay-ish fielder, doesn’t K at a ridiculous rate.

Hiura: out of options, can’t field, Ks at ridiculous rate.

That’s the logic.

Not Logical
#3 hitter = one of team’s best hitters

Adames = #3 hitter

2022 Hiura OPS > 2022 Adames OPS

2023 Hiura 0 MLB ABs < Adames 396 PAs at .692 OPS 

And now bringing up the farm ahead of him when he has best stats in the system.

[GreatNWwi]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

In a week or so, the  math will really be working against Hiura as the Brewers will need two spots for n the 40 man roster for Justin Wilson and Woodruff, eventually an 3rd for Ashby. Plus spots for whomever they acquire at the deadline.

 

Isn't this why the math also does not work for him today?  I think the trade deadline is the key to determining what they do with him.  

When he is brought up he will likely be just a guy playing at that borderline level of being MLB material.  If that is the case there is nowhere to send him when you need the roster space.

[rickh150]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

I’m sure they have more information than fans do, there’s something about his game that’s unacceptable to the team and he can’t fix it. 
 

If they didn’t like him as a human, they’d just release him.

I am  fairly sure he has, arguably, the best offensive #s in our system.

I am sure fire sure we struggle with offense at the major league level,

I sadly am sure that we are playing light weight hitting rookies and not even fringe major leaguers that everyone, including CC, knows will not stick here.
Just madness. No anything logical.

[sveumrules]

7 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Not Logical
#3 hitter = one of team’s best hitters

Adames = #3 hitter

2022 Hiura OPS > 2022 Adames OPS

2023 Hiura 0 MLB ABs < Adames 396 PAs at .692 OPS 

And now bringing up the farm ahead of him when he has best stats in the system.

Not Logical
Comparing a hopeful DH to an everyday SS

Black has a 156 wRC+ with superior plate discipline and base running numbers, so Hiura doesn't have the best stats in the system either.

[Jopal78]

Just now, rickh150 said:

I am  fairly sure he has, arguably, the best offensive #s in our system.

I am sure fire sure we struggle with offense at the major league level,

I sadly am sure that we are playing light weight hitting rookies and not even fringe major leaguers that everyone, including CC, knows will not stick here.
Just madness. No anything but logical.

You’re right, maybe Counsell and Arnold simply want to get fired and never get another job in baseball so they jerk Hiura around on purpose and blow the owner’s money. 

[GreatNWwi]

22 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Well, there’s your answer people. 
 

I think some here missed these two posts.

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

I am  fairly sure he has, arguably, the best offensive #s in our system.

I am sure fire sure we struggle with offense at the major league level,

I sadly am sure that we are playing light weight hitting rookies and not even fringe major leaguers that everyone, including CC, knows will not stick here.
Just madness. No anything but logical.

Hiura does not have the best offensive #s in the system. 

[Axman59]

Since they are not going to bring him up they should release him to get a fair look from another team. At this point they are just wasting everyone's time.

[rickh150]

45 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Not Logical
Comparing a hopeful DH to an everyday SS

Black has a 156 wRC+ with superior plate discipline and base running numbers, so Hiura doesn't have the best stats in the system either.

Hitter to hitter, I can compare. In the batting order, why not? What does defense have to do with this? And yes, there is a DH where Hiura could hit and not field, and yes it is wiiiiiide open since our OPS there is awful.

I am accurate in saying Hiura had a better OPS than almost anyone on the current team last year or this year.  Total failure at DH this year. Utter failure and total disaster. The decision makers there have an F in 2023 And unbelievable stubbornness.  

Why they chose, they chose, they chose, they chose to pay Hiura 2 million plus million to hit very well at AAA only to not bring him up to fill an offensive hole. It is really nutso…ESPECIALLY NOW with DH OPS at .608, Tellez injured, so many not even fringe players up, and the team struggling with offense.

And Hiura hits #3 or #4 at AAA daily. That manager Rick Sweet values his bat and really relies on his offense to carry that team. 

Black has excellent stats too. Yep.  With the running I take Black too. Got others? 

[rickh150]

57 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

You’re right, maybe Counsell and Arnold simply want to get fired and never get another job in baseball so they jerk Hiura around on purpose and blow the owner’s money. 

Apparently.
Why give him the 2 million then? If he stinks, why? How does this make sense? He hit better than almost anyone last year at MLB level and at DH and against RHP…only to sit in minors with a.950 OPS this year in the #3 slot at AAA while our MLB offense pinch hits Turang in tight games. 

[rickh150]

59 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Hiura does not have the best offensive #s in the system. 

I am all for seeing Black at DH too. If not Hiura, let’s take a look at him at DH. Option him later. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, rickh150 said:

Apparently.
Why give him the 2 million then? If he stinks, why? How does this make sense? He hit better than almost anyone last year at MLB level and at DH and against RHP…only to sit in minors with a.950 OPS this year in the #3 slot at AAA while our MLB offense pinch hits Turang in tight games. 

You got your answer with McCalvy's article. Hiura has gotten worse on defense, which limits him to DH. As for his bat, their scouts and underlying data say it's highly unlikely to translate to the big leagues and that we'll see more of the same with 40% K rates and unpredictable production. They note his recent changes, though, so we'll see what happens at the deadline. 

[rickh150]

If our hitting coaches and analysts don’t like his approach, even more reason to bring him up, especially with what we have seen from our preferred choices at 1B and DH this year.

My apologies and I’m done for a while…. Just do not like the reasoning of management with this all. Easy thing would be to play him for a few weeks daily and re-evaluate then. Cut then or trade.  Brewerfan82 and sveumrules make solid points, but I disagree with all those getting shots before Hiura.

[Jopal78]

27 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Apparently.
Why give him the 2 million then? If he stinks, why? How does this make sense? He hit better than almost anyone last year at MLB level and at DH and against RHP…only to sit in minors with a.950 OPS this year in the #3 slot at AAA while our MLB offense pinch hits Turang in tight games. 

I’m not an expert on the CBA, but when they DFA’d Hiura and he went unclaimed, the Brewers outrighted him to AAA. At that point if Hiura reports to AAA he still gets paid. 
 

So Hiura’s there to get paid, and for the Brewers since they have to pay him anyway it’s one fewer spot to they need to fill to field a AAA team. Marriage of convenience that will be over in about a month or less. 

[rickh150]

2 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

I’m not an expert on the CBA, but when they DFA’d Hiura and he went unclaimed, the Brewers outrighted him to AAA. At that point if Hiura reports to AAA he still gets paid. 
 

So Hiura’s there to get paid, and for the Brewers since they have to pay him anyway it’s one fewer spot to they need to fill to field a AAA team. Marriage of convenience that will be over in about a month or less. 

The Brewers could have just non-tendered him instead of paying him a guaranteed 2.2 million contract. 

[Jopal78]

1 minute ago, rickh150 said:

The Brewers could have just non-tendered him instead of paying him a guaranteed 2.2 million contract. 

They wanted to give him one more shot; I am sure it is hard to move on from a former top 10 pick who had a season like Hiura did in 2019.

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, rickh150 said:

The Brewers could have just non-tendered him instead of paying him a guaranteed 2.2 million contract. 

Right, but they thought he was worth the gamble in spring.

Now that the money is spent their best options to extract maximum value are via trade at the rapidly approaching deadline, or if no MLB team is hot to acquire him they can keep him through the end of the year as post-deadline depth since August waiver wire pickups don't exist anymore.

[Samurai Bucky]

If the Brewers keep dragging their feet, maybe we see him with the big club on September 1?

[Jake McKibbin]

Keston just hit his first dinger for a while.. if he gets hot, he's up

[torts]

7 hours ago, KeithStone53151 said:

First point is fair, second point is less fair as teams employ bad humans often enough. I feel like they don't like him as a person, but they want to get something for him at the deadline

Krod

[rickh150]

2 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Keston just hit his first dinger for a while.. if he gets hot, he's up

Well, the launch angle on that HR wasn’t quite up to snuff; he ran the bases a little slower than the avg. runner too. And that strike out…. man we can’t have that. 

[rickh150]

Black at 1B tonight… Hiura at DH.

[Jake McKibbin]

And no hits to mention from either....

Hiura looked lost at the plate

[rickh150]

6 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

And no hits to mention from either....

Hiura looked lost at the plate

Yep. He can’t hit. Gotta help that .300 hitter in our system. He needs to be more like our #3 hitter.

[Jake McKibbin]

1 minute ago, rickh150 said:

Yep. He can’t hit. Gotta help that .300 hitter in our system. He needs to be more like our #3 hitter.

No he looked really out of whack, I'm hoping he's working on something and it's causing a little rustiness at the plate (there was a suggestion he was closer to the plate, resulting in lots of HBP's recently)

He's a .300 hitter mostly due to how outstanding he was pre-injury