Keston Hiura has a .984 OPS in Nashville

[umphrey]

I will be disappointed if he doesn't get a shot at MLB at bats this year. If I'm reading his stats right, K rate down to 24% this year, last time he spent awhile in AAA it was up above 33%. And last year he proved he can be effective at MLB level if used sparingly. 

[rickh150]

16 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

No he looked really out of whack, I'm hoping he's working on something and it's causing a little rustiness at the plate (there was a suggestion he was closer to the plate, resulting in lots of HBP's recently)

He's a .300 hitter mostly due to how outstanding he was pre-injury

Defense, Ks, career results,  what he did yesterday but not the day before (2-3 HR, BB), AAA not as good as AA, like the five or six players above him getting opportunities this season at DH or 1B who have failed miserably, gotten hurt, or whatever……..he has the deck stacked against him this season.
Any one of us would be ticked if we were in his position because it just doesn’t make sense to get paid 2.2 million from club to be treated like a nobody when performing better than lightweights any of these last season and this season.

[nate82]

Hiura is probably just going through his normal boom or bust phase like he did last year in Sept/Oct when he got the most PA's the whole year. 

Hiura's 2022 Sept/Oct splits:

20 games played with 66 PA's

.167/.227/.283

[Playing Catch]

7 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Any one of us would be ticked if we were in his position because it just doesn’t make sense to get paid 2.2 million from club to be treated like a nobody when performing better than lightweights any of these last season and this season.

I dunno, If I were Hiura, I might be feeling like the luckiest player in the league after no other team in baseball wanted to pay me 2.2 million dollars to play baseball... and in Nashville! Not even in Omaha or El Paso.

I think this might be my first post in this saga, but you certainly seem to be taking Hiura's plight personally. In addition, you seem to believe that the organization has made it personal, and that they truly must not know what they are doing. This isn't to say that we can't disagree with their decisions or criticize them when their decisions fail, but to essentially accuse them of being vindictive and incompetent is ignoring a lot of other evidence to the contrary.

[rickh150]

5 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Hiura is probably just going through his normal boom or bust phase like he did last year in Sept/Oct when he got the most PA's the whole year. 

Hiura's 2022 Sept/Oct splits:

20 games played with 66 PA's

.167/.227/.283

And yet still ..866 against RHP and .949 as DH. Still.

 

 

[Jake McKibbin]

1 minute ago, rickh150 said:

And yet still ..866 against RHP and .949 as DH. Still.

 

 

I'm all for Hiura but only if he's comfortable at the time of promotion. The recent version of him isn't one that we're used to, but a fully firing Keston is an asset. The one I saw last night is not one that would be a positive influence on the big league roster

[rickh150]

27 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

I dunno, If I were Hiura, I might be feeling like the luckiest player in the league after no other team in baseball wanted to pay me 2.2 million dollars to play baseball... and in Nashville! Not even in Omaha or El Paso.

I think this might be my first post in this saga, but you certainly seem to be taking Hiura's plight personally. In addition, you seem to believe that the organization has made it personal, and that they truly must not know what they are doing. This isn't to say that we can't disagree with their decisions or criticize them when their decisions fail, but to essentially accuse them of being vindictive and incompetent is ignoring a lot of other evidence to the contrary.

I don’t know of another example where one AAA player has played this well overall at a position (DH/1B) where the MLB club struggles so terribly much. The fit is almost perfect. He could have slid into the DH/1B role in May and hit last year’s numbers and all would be much better than the freak show there this season.
And they thought enough of him to actually pay him and tender him a contract by choice. They could have said, nah, you are not our type of player. We are choosing to go another direction, no hard feelings. But they gave him the money. The strange part is that after an awful ST, he exceeds all expectations at AAA. His Ks are down, he hasn’t committed an error at 1B, he is hitting better there than almost anybody at any level in the organization.

Yes, on this issue, I blame team and management. Doesnt make sense to not give him a shot and parade all these others barely fringe players, especially considering his positive numbers against RHP, as a DH, and in general last year (only Yelich on team this year and Tellez last year had a better OPS out of current teammates) and stellar #s this season. 

[rickh150]

14 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

I'm all for Hiura but only if he's comfortable at the time of promotion. The recent version of him isn't one that we're used to, but a fully firing Keston is an asset. The one I saw last night is not one that would be a positive influence on the big league roster

And the day before, the 2-3 HR and BB guy?  
Just a different standard for him, 

[Jake McKibbin]

11 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

And the day before, the 2-3 HR and BB guy?  
Just a different standard for him, 

I'm not judging by his stat lines so much as what I saw watching the AB's if that helps

[CheeseheadInQC]

28 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

I don’t know of another example where one AAA player has played this well overall at a position (DH/1B) where the MLB club struggles so terribly much. The fit is almost perfect. He could have slid into the DH/1B role in May and hit last year’s numbers and all would be much better than the freak show there this season.
And they thought enough of him to actually pay him and tender him a contract by choice. They could have said, nah, you are not our type of player. We are choosing to go another direction, no hard feelings. But they gave him the money. The strange part is that after an awful ST, he exceeds all expectations at AAA. His Ks are down, he hasn’t committed an error at 1B, he is hitting better there than almost anybody at any level in the organization.

Yes, on this issue, I blame team and management. Doesnt make sense to not give him a shot and parade all these others barely fringe players, especially considering his positive numbers against RHP, as a DH, and in general last year (only Yelich on team this year and Tellez last year had a better OPS out of current teammates) and stellar #s this season. 

I really think that Hiura is a victim of bad timing. Just as the Brewers might have been considering him, he gets hurt (the only batting roster move they made before that was for a replacement center fielder when Mitchell got hurt). He didn’t get hot again right away at Nashville and then by the time he was hitting well again, you had someone on the same type of absurd streak he was on to start the season (Toro).

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, rickh150 said:

And yet still ..866 against RHP and .949 as DH. Still

Quote the numbers to no end, but 175 PA vs RHP and 96 PA as DH are miniscule samples with minimal predictive value. Over 321 PA vs RHP from 2020-21 Keston had an 82 wRC+ vs RHP.

Getting back to the present, Keston simply hasn't been the same hitter at AAA pre and post injury this year...

thru 5/12: 134 PA of 331/396/678 (154 wRC+)
since 6/16: 127 PA of 282/409/408 (114 wRC+)

He has lost a good deal of pop since the injury and his OBP is partly propped up by 10 HBP in those 127 PA.  

[Brewcrew82]

25 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Quote the numbers to no end, but 175 PA vs RHP and 96 PA as DH are miniscule samples with minimal predictive value. Over 321 PA vs RHP from 2020-21 Keston had an 82 wRC+ vs RHP.

Getting back to the present, Keston simply hasn't been the same hitter at AAA pre and post injury this year...

thru 5/12: 134 PA of 331/396/678 (154 wRC+)
since 6/16: 127 PA of 282/409/408 (114 wRC+)

He has lost a good deal of pop since the injury and his OBP is partly propped up by 10 HBP in those 127 PA.  

Stats with context. How refreshing. 

[Joseph Zarr]

41 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Quote the numbers to no end, but 175 PA vs RHP and 96 PA as DH are miniscule samples with minimal predictive value. Over 321 PA vs RHP from 2020-21 Keston had an 82 wRC+ vs RHP.

Getting back to the present, Keston simply hasn't been the same hitter at AAA pre and post injury this year...

thru 5/12: 134 PA of 331/396/678 (154 wRC+)
since 6/16: 127 PA of 282/409/408 (114 wRC+)

He has lost a good deal of pop since the injury and his OBP is partly propped up by 10 HBP in those 127 PA.  

Matches the eye test as well. He just isn't making anywhere near the consistent hard contact he was pre-injury. Hopefully, he can find that form. The Sounds, in the very least, need it for a Playoffs push.

[Samurai Bucky]

2 hours ago, rickh150 said:

And the day before, the 2-3 HR and BB guy?  
Just a different standard for him, 

One thing I enjoy is knowing that somebody is going to come onto this thread and post something.

If one person is going to post every time Hiura has a good game, I don't find it offensive when somebody says he seems out of whack for a game.  I didn't read anywhere where Jake said the bad day was a justification for Hiura not coming up.

[rickh150]

21 minutes ago, Samurai Bucky said:

One thing I enjoy is knowing that somebody is going to come onto this thread and post something.

If one person is going to post every time Hiura has a good game, I don't find it offensive when somebody says he seems out of whack for a game.  I didn't read anywhere where Jake said the bad day was a justification for Hiura not coming up.

I don’t find it offensive either. So what. 
Jake saw an O fer and said he didn’t like what he saw. I don’t know if that means he saw Adames like whiffs and reaches or if he was so behind on heat, I don’t know.
And I’m saying he did well the night before…. On base three times, HR.  Jake posts he looks poor in one game, but I’m saying he can’t be that poor when he lights it up night before. And he still is hitting #3 or #4 regularly.

 

[rickh150]

3 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Quote the numbers to no end, but 175 PA vs RHP and 96 PA as DH are miniscule samples with minimal predictive value. Over 321 PA vs RHP from 2020-21 Keston had an 82 wRC+ vs RHP.

Getting back to the present, Keston simply hasn't been the same hitter at AAA pre and post injury this year...

thru 5/12: 134 PA of 331/396/678 (154 wRC+)
since 6/16: 127 PA of 282/409/408 (114 wRC+)

He has lost a good deal of pop since the injury and his OBP is partly propped up by 10 HBP in those 127 PA.  

Oh my… really reaching when you decide to go to 2020 and 2021. Complaining about me cherry picking stats and then you go cherry picking yourself. You want nothing to do with what he did in AAA in 2022 and definitely not what he did at MLB in 2022. That blows up your 2020/2021 stuff. Again, if you are going to go 🍒 to 2020, why not include 2019, as well? Or include all his stats?  
The hypocrisy goes on when showing Hiura’s stats since June 16. You even put up the PAs! You said earlier that so few at bats (175 RHP/96 DH) are minuscule examples! So by your own admission, it’s better to take more PAs and see the season worth (.303, .400 OBP, .955 OPS), I guess. And the 15 HRs are with missing the plus month of action.

It’s a different standard for Hiura. His results are crazy good this year and our DH has been crazy bad. And a cheap solution is there staring us in the face.

And a new one! Hiura’s stats are propped up by HBP!
 

[rickh150]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Stats with context. How refreshing. 

He posted Hiura’s stats from the pandemic… not last year even or when he was crazy good in 2019. 
The man is doing this this year…

303/.400/.955

 

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

He posted Hiura’s stats from the pandemic… not last year even or when he was crazy good in 2019. 
The man is doing this this year…

303/.400/.955

And he’s been nowhere near that good since coming off the IL which you’ve been told dozens of times 

[rickh150]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

And he’s been nowhere near that good since coming off the IL which you’ve been told dozens of times 

A minuscule sample size, according to svuem…

And “no where near that good” is still .817 OPS since June 16, unbelievably. His cherry picked bad stats could still be used as a legit reason to call him up to hit DH on our MLB team.

[sveumrules]

21 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

And a new one! Hiura’s stats are propped up by HBP!

Hiura has been HBP in 3.2% of his MLB plate appearances, compared to 1.5% of his AAA plate appearance this year before injury, and 7.9% of his AAA plate appearances since returning from injury.

It would be unreasonable to expect him to maintain that 7.9% HBP rate if called up to the majors considering he has never really approached it previously.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, rickh150 said:

A minuscule sample size, according to svuem…

And “no where near that good” is still .817 OPS since June 16, unbelievably. His cherry picked bad stats could still be used as a legit reason to call him up to hit DH on our MLB team.

Toro has been hotter…

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, rickh150 said:

A minuscule sample size, according to svuem…

One of the primary problems with Hiura is all his sample sizes are small, because he can't field enough or make enough contact to stay in the lineup on a consistent basis.

Quoting his full season AAA stats when he has clearly been two different players pre and post injury (lost 270 points of SLG) is just being willfully obtuse.

[rickh150]

For everyone now, if a DH now… you pick who it is… comes up this year and plays 20  games as DH over a few weeks of the season and hits .949 there, what would compel you to switch? There isn’t a good answer to this, just like there is no defense for this year’s DH with Hiura hitting well in AAA. 
And finally, the Brewers are asking for my criticism! They are. When they signed the guy to a $2.2 million contract and said we want you in this organization, they are saying we really value what you do or can do. But they obviously do not now and I am calling them on it.  Our hitting experts, who have not improved upon a single bat in the last three years (Urias, Taylor, Adames, Tellez) outside of Yelich (who had his own huge slide) carry little weight, the opposite of how the organization develops pitchers and catchers.
Hiura has exceeded expectations and the DH spot could not be worse. It could not. I could pick names out of a hat from who CC did not start, and I would have done better than him. And the guys Arnold has signed or called up before or instead of Hiura….he even goes outside of organization to get Jones… have flopped. None of them have hit better than Hiura 2022 or Hiura 2023.  

[rickh150]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

One of the primary problems with Hiura is all his sample sizes are small, because he can't field enough or make enough contact to stay in the lineup on a consistent basis.

Quoting his full season AAA stats when he has clearly been two different players pre and post injury (lost 270 points of SLG) is just being willfully obtuse.

You could split stats like this for every player in every season. And we all know this.

[Brewcrew82]

26 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

He posted Hiura’s stats from the pandemic… not last year even or when he was crazy good in 2019. 
The man is doing this this year…

303/.400/.955

 

Yes, and you’re completely ignoring what we saw from 2020 to 2021 and the 42% K rate last year or AAA #s since returning from injury. That’s the context that is missing from your posts whenever you post Hiura’s stats from a single game or his OPS in 20 games at DH, etc.