Brewers (Peralta) vs Cardinals (Wainwright): 9/18/23, 6:45pm

[willie key]

Seriously.   How do you lose 1-0 to this team.    How 

 

 

[Pugger]

50 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

We'll win the division and they'll be home in the playoffs. So what?

It is still irritating losing to that team.

[Jim French Stepstool]

Here's what I saw:

There was some over-anxiousness at the plate. Tellez' 2nd AB in an RBI spot, yeah, the result sucked. But that was a 9-pitch AB. It's impossible to put up that lengthy of an at bat & label it "bad". But in the end, he failed. Three DPs didn't help.

Here's the thing about Wainwright. This isn't a computer game. It isn't Strat-O-Matic. We weren't sending punch cards up to the plate vs a 7.95 ERA. I know how this sounds, but he pitched well. If he threw like this all season his numbers wouldn't be that ugly. In fact they'd be more like what he's done most of his career. How  that guy suddenly showed up tonight is what's frustrating. He got a little bit off the plate, and took advantage. The over-anxiousness, he's caused that for like the last 83 years he's been pitching.

It says volumes about Sal Frelick that, as a rookie, he can get a couple knocks the first time he faced a guy who can make inexperienced hitters look real bad. Please keep this man.

[TURBO]

18 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Your absolute infatuation with Tyler Black is something. He's NOT coming up this year, or likely even next year, so give it a rest. 

Well, the rest of your post aside, Black will be with this team next year, and I'm betting it will be on opening day.  Kid is a stud!

[willie key]

Just now, Jim French Stepstool said:

Here's what I saw:

There was some over-anxiousness at the plate. Tellez' 2nd AB in an RBI spot, yeah, the result sucked. But that was a 9-pitch AB. It's impossible to put up that lengthy of an at bat & label it "bad". But in the end, he failed. Three DPs didn't help.

Here's the thing about Wainwright. This isn't a computer game. It isn't Strat-O-Matic. We weren't sending punch cards up to the plate vs a 7.95 ERA. I know how this sounds, but he pitched well. If he threw like this all season his numbers wouldn't be that ugly. In fact they'd be more like what he's done most of his career. How  that guy suddenly showed up tonight is what's frustrating. He got a little bit off the plate, and took advantage. The over-anxiousness, he's caused that for like the last 83 years he's been pitching.

It says volumes about Sal Frelick that, as a rookie, he can get a couple knocks the first time he faced a guy who can make inexperienced hitters look real bad. Please keep this man.

Dude.    Come on.     This is terrible.   And it isn’t the first time.    Heck in isn’t the first time since yesterday

even bad teams win games like this 95% of the time.   Heck it might be higher.    Seriously what is the average record for teams losing while only giving up one run in nine innings

 

heck.  We’ve lost a game where we had a no hitter shutout for over ten.   

[Bulldogboy]

28 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

For me you have to blame Peralta for this loss. He made a mistake. Can't happen with this team. Sorry. 

Forgot my blue

[JefferyLeonard]

3 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Well, the rest of your post aside, Black will be with this team next year, and I'm betting it will be on opening day.  Kid is a stud!

Well to be fair, I remember how excited many here were about Turang and Weimer being up this year. Thought they would be really good. How has that turned out? Then when people finally realized they can't hit(that should have been obvious from day 1), they quickly turned on them. My point is, you can't expect a rookie(s) to be the answer, not if you consider yourself a legit World series contender. Maybe Black would be great, but odds are he'd likely struggle just like all the kids have this year. Then people would complain about that. I guess I just don't like people whining all damn year about how this team can't hit(they can't) and then also support their approach to signing 1 year reclamation(hoping to catch lightning in a bottle) bats they sign every year. You don't get to have it both ways. 

[owbc]

Good for Wainwright, he earned this one. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

19 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Your absolute infatuation with Tyler Black is something. He's NOT coming up this year, or likely even next year, so give it a rest. 

I think he'll definitely be here in '24, at least at some juncture.

Also, they've signed legitimate bats. They've traded for legitimate bats. The direction you apparently want them to go in isn't happening, can't, and shouldn't.

[Sixtolezcano]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I think he'll definitely be here in '24, at least at some juncture.

Also, they've signed legitimate bats. They've traded for legitimate bats. The direction you apparently want them to go in isn't happening, can't, and shouldn't.

Exactly, Milwaukee and the Brewer owners are unable to support a baseball team that can spend to the extent some posters are suggesting.

[willie key]

I’d actually be ok with a rookie being called up this late as sometimes they can go in a tear and there isn’t time for teams to find weaknesses

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, willie key said:

Dude.    Come on.     This is terrible.   And it isn’t the first time.    Heck in isn’t the first time since yesterday

even bad teams win games like this 95% of the time.   Heck it might be higher.    Seriously what is the average record for teams losing while only giving up one run in nine innings

 

heck.  We’ve lost a game where we had a no hitter shutout for over ten.   

Yes, bad teams sometimes do win games like this. Judging by the W-L record one did today.

Everyone would like for their offense to be better. Over the last six weeks, sorry, but it has been much better.

I know the last two have been frustrating. I'll also take their record since they left LA---a long time ago---every time.

How do YOU think Wainwright pitched today? Not this season as a whole. Today.

[willie key]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Yes, bad teams sometimes do win games like this. Judging by the W-L record one did today.

Everyone would like for their offense to be better. Over the last six weeks, sorry, but it has been much better.

I know the last two have been frustrating. I'll also take their record since they left LA---a long time ago---every time.

How do YOU think Wainwright pitched today? Not this season as a whole. Today.

I think the brewers suck at hitting that’s why we lost 1-0.   If it was like a one off then yes this guy was sandy Koufax reincarnated.
 

but it’s not.   It’s more likely we are just terrible on offense and are prone to have multiple multiple games like this especially compared to other teams

 

like I said what is the record for teams losing games where we give up 1 or even less runs I. Nine innings.    I bet it’s outrageous how games we’ve lost like this.  
 

im just pissed off.     Compounded by yesterday crap performance.      I will get over it.      But for god sakes counsell try something every once in awhile instead of waiting for the next double play.    

[Jim French Stepstool]

12 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Well to be fair, I remember how excited many here were about Turang and Weimer being up this year. Thought they would be really good. How has that turned out? Then when people finally realized they can't hit(that should have been obvious from day 1), they quickly turned on them. My point is, you can't expect a rookie(s) to be the answer, not if you consider yourself a legit World series contender. Maybe Black would be great, but odds are he'd likely struggle just like all the kids have this year. Then people would complain about that. I guess I just don't like people whining all damn year about how this team can't hit(they can't) and then also support their approach to signing 1 year reclamation(hoping to catch lightning in a bottle) bats they sign every year. You don't get to have it both ways. 

I've followed Black. His approach is nothing like Wiemers', and similar to Turangs' except with much more gap-to-gap power, while making very consistent contact & drawing a ton of walks. I know you're focused on offense only, but Turang has won numerous games for them this year. Wiemer was up here due to early injury issues. Otherwise it would've been to his benefit to stay in AAA. Having said all that I don't know how to respond to "they can't hit" when you're talking about someones' first taste of the bigs. If you're referring to the here & now only, then OK.

If they're a WS contender it's due to the run prevention, like it or not. I don't think anyone clamoring for him is looking at Black as an "answer" right now, but simply an improvement. Personally I don't want him up here unless he gets regular ABs & that might be tricky.

Their approach is pretty much the approach they need to employ. Anyone who doesn't like it should b**** to the MLB hierarchy that the financial structure of the game be changed to mirror the NFL & NBA (gee, I wonder how the players' union would feel about that?)

This team "can't hit". Yeah, & on other days they can. Be happy the pitching & defense gives them a chance they'd otherwise not have.

[willie key]

Regarding Tyler black or any rookie for that matter.    The whole he needs regular at bats doesn’t matter that much.   There are only a few games left  this year.      It’s not going to stunt anyone’s growth if they don’t play every day for a week or two.   If they can help then they should be here.   If they can’t then they shouldnt

 it’s clear we have seriously roster problems with the bat.   Legitimate problems 

 

the only thing I don’t know is how it affects service time which is precious to the brewers.    

[Jim French Stepstool]

9 minutes ago, willie key said:

I think the brewers suck at hitting that’s why we lost 1-0.   If it was like a one off then yes this guy was sandy Koufax reincarnated.
 

but it’s not.   It’s more likely we are just terrible on offense and are prone to have multiple multiple games like this especially compared to other teams

 

like I said what is the record for teams losing games where we give up 1 or even less runs I. Nine innings.    I bet it’s outrageous how games we’ve lost like this.  
 

im just pissed off.     Compounded by yesterday crap performance.      I will get over it.      But for god sakes counsell try something every once in awhile instead of waiting for the next double play.    

No, he was Adam Wainwright incarnated, which unfortunately is pretty good. Like I said, they were too impatient. The old Wainwright does that to people. Unfortunately that's who was there.

They have way too many games like this for my taste, too. But when you compare us to other teams, don't forget to compare the pitching staffs, too. I'd love to be strong in both areas. That's tough to do with the resources at hand. Bottom line, 84-66.

AFA waiting for the next DP, I'll assume you mean hit & run and/or bunting. I love both, as long as it's the right combination at the plate & bases. There are probably too many on the team that simply are bad bunters. I'm not happy about that.

Maybe it's just the way I'm wired, but having a team that loses a lot of games 7-6 or 10-8 would piss me off even more, because those teams IMO have a much less chance of going anywhere than the other way around.

We'll all get over it, brother.😐

[Sixtolezcano]

25 minutes ago, willie key said:

I think the brewers suck at hitting that’s why we lost 1-0.   If it was like a one off then yes this guy was sandy Koufax reincarnated.
 

but it’s not.   It’s more likely we are just terrible on offense and are prone to have multiple multiple games like this especially compared to other teams

 

like I said what is the record for teams losing games where we give up 1 or even less runs I. Nine innings.    I bet it’s outrageous how games we’ve lost like this.  
 

im just pissed off.     Compounded by yesterday crap performance.      I will get over it.      But for god sakes counsell try something every once in awhile instead of waiting for the next double play.    

Peace be with you,

[willie key]

3 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

No, he was Adam Wainwright incarnated, which unfortunately is pretty good. Like I said, they were too impatient. The old Wainwright does that to people. Unfortunately that's who was there.

They have way too many games like this for my taste, too. But when you compare us to other teams, don't forget to compare the pitching staffs, too. I'd love to be strong in both areas. That's tough to do with the resources at hand. Bottom line, 84-66.

AFA waiting for the next DP, I'll assume you mean hit & run and/or bunting. I love both, as long as it's the right combination at the plate & bases. There are probably too many on the team that simply are bad bunters. I'm not happy about that.

Maybe it's just the way I'm wired, but having a team that loses a lot of games 7-6 or 10-8 would piss me off even more, because those teams IMO have a much less chance of going anywhere than the other way around.

We'll all get over it, brother.😐

This is not meant to be antagonistic but I call bull crap on this.    We didn’t score because we are bad.    He threw the same crap he threw all year for his  8 era.      But other teams have players who are good at hitting.    We have rowdy.     

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 minute ago, willie key said:

Regarding Tyler black or any rookie for that matter.    The whole he needs regular at bats doesn’t matter that much.   There are only a few games left  this year.      It’s not going to stunt anyone’s growth if they don’t play every day for a week or two.   If they can help then they should be here.   If they can’t then they shouldnt

 it’s clear we have seriously roster problems with the bat.   Legitimate problems 

 

the only thing I don’t know is how it affects service time which is precious to the brewers.    

I think it matters A LOT. Agree to disagree. Sitting won't stunt his growth long term, but if he's putting up good ABs in Nashville, that probably won't continue here if he suddenly stops getting them. Especially considering the bump up in pitching. What gets factored in though, is once Nashville is done (Sunday) THEN you may as well add him. But I have no idea what their thinking is regarding that.

Don't know about the service time thingie. It IS important to them. It kinda needs to be.

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, willie key said:

    He threw the same crap he threw all year for his  8 era.     

God Bless ya, but I don't think that's anywhere close to being true. Again, agree to dis. It's hard to argue they weren't bad tonite, but he had something to do with that. As far as saying they ARE bad, there have been a lot of games in the last six weeks that fly in the face of that.

I enjoy the back & forth as long as it's with thinking fans. No antagonism felt.

[willie key]

5 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I think it matters A LOT. Agree to disagree. Sitting won't stunt his growth long term, but if he's putting up good ABs in Nashville, that probably won't continue here if he suddenly stops getting them. Especially considering the bump up in pitching. What gets factored in though, is once Nashville is done (Sunday) THEN you may as well add him. But I have no idea what their thinking is regarding that.

Don't know about the service time thingie. It IS important to them. It kinda needs to be.

Why would a week at the big league level stunt his growth.    It’s a week.   If he can help us then he should be here.   I’m not advocating for it.    But I’m assuming the brewers don’t think he could add anything this year

also part of me thinks the GM doesn’t want to go to the owner and tell him we have to dfa a bunch of guys. 😀😀

[yourout]

1 hour ago, willie key said:

Seriously.   How do you lose 1-0 to this team.    How 

 

 

9 innings with 1 run or less for the 4th time in 9 games.

That's not going to win playoff games 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 minute ago, willie key said:

Why would a week at the big league level stunt his growth.    It’s a week.   If he can help us then he should be here.   I’m not advocating for it.    But I’m assuming the brewers don’t think he could add anything this year

also part of me thinks the GM doesn’t want to go to the owner and tell him we have to dfa a bunch of guys. 😀😀

Long term, it wouldn't. I'm saying if he suddenly comes here & gets, say, 2 or 3 ABs a week after getting 4-5 a day, while suddenly facing MLB pitching, it'll be really difficult to maintain any kind of a groove, like he's in right now.

Your last point, we'll never know. Certainly plausible. At the same time a lot of fans want to DFA a lot of guys when they remember recent failures. Tellez, I wouldn't cry if he was removed. But he reached base three times a couple games ago. If the 1B wasn't holding the runner Sunday the ball he hit is a likely double to tie the game. But I certainly think Black is a better hitter, big picture. Is he NOW? Like you said, maybe the FO doesn't think he's there yet.

[ELCABALLO45]

What a embarrassing loss to such a bad pitcher. I’ve always had good vibes for this team but to let the Skelton remains of Adam Wainwright do this to us…. Not a good sign. 

[Never Outhustled]

9 hours ago, TURBO said:

Well, the rest of your post aside, Black will be with this team next year, and I'm betting it will be on opening day.  Kid is a stud!

Yeah, if Yelich goes on the IL, I'd bet it's Black who gets the call. This offense needs him. Donaldson shouldn't start versus RHPs.