Saints @ Packers Game 3

[BrewerFan]

What an amazing game.

 

Jordan Love through two weeks proved...he could be a competent QB. He could be a guy who could manage a game in the way Brock Purdy could. 

This game he showed he is CAPABLE of being an elite QB. There were SEVERAL balls he threw that the idiot calling the game made no note of(like Reed on the sideline where Love drops it in his hands and he gets pushed into the water coolers).

 

There are still WAAAY too many issues. Did Patrick Taylor run the wrong route or did Love just make that bad of a throw down near the goal line? Too many balls he wasn't putting out in front of the WRer, lots of drops.

But in that 4th Quarter, he started to just let it rip and made some outstanding plays. 

 

 

Also, PAY RASHAN GARY NOW! The longer you wait...he's actually going to have an argument to get paid more than Bosa. NOT that he's better, but he was in that elite group of edge rushers two years ago, he was elite last year and now he's got 3 sacks and 4 QB hits over Ryan Ramzyk who...I must have missed something, but he was one of the premiere pass blocking RTs very recently. 

 

I don't think I learned anything new about the D. They can dominate, Barry sucks...death and taxes...

Newman held up...Walker was alright. 

But man, Love can be so good when he's on. I hope we see him build off that in Detroit since...that's pretty much what the whole season is about. Detroit has a tough defense, so another test next week. 

[Joseph Zarr]

1 minute ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I knew it was only a matter of time before an injury report ruined my good mood. I didn’t notice, any update yet?

None that I can find. I'm sure it will be a case of we won't really know for at least a day or so. Can't lose Tom, too. He's too good.

[adambr2]

36 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Wow - I’m not sure what is more incredible … Green Bay overcoming a 17-0 deficit in the 4Q or Miami scoring 70 & gaining 726 yard’s against Denver

I’m impressed with & excited for Jordan Love 

He is far more Favre than Rodgers - a return to the cardiac Pack!

Great win

I thought Denver was supposed to have an elite defense, too. Man does Sean Payton have a lot of egg on the face after he just ripped the job by last year's coaching staff in Denver.

[HarryDoyle]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I thought Denver was supposed to have an elite defense, too. Man does Sean Payton have a lot of egg on the face after he just ripped the job by last year's coaching staff in Denver.

Payton buys too much into his own hype that is also inflated by the so called experts when in fact he's no better a coach than McCarthy.

[BrewerFan]

7 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

None that I can find. I'm sure it will be a case of we won't really know for at least a day or so. Can't lose Tom, too. He's too good.

Well, if it's bad, they'll come out and say, "I'm disappointed for Zach, it's a significant injury."

If they're unsure...it'd mean it wasn't an ACL and then saying "we'll see what the tests say and how he feels," means it's probably just a tweak....I think.

But as long as we don't "really feel for Zach," then it's not the worst case. 

[BrewerFan]

32 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Payton buys too much into his own hype that is also inflated by the so called experts when in fact he's no better a coach than McCarthy.

That may be a perfect example. McCarthy REALLY was a innovative coach. And then he started getting massages and stopped innovating.

Maybe that's the issue with Payton?

 

I'm just still kinda stunned at what we saw from Love. Like I said, I'm not saying he's the next great QB, but...for perspective;

4th Q Comebacks vs winning teams;
Jordan Love-1
Aaron Rodgers-0

 

[homer]

This was a fantastic win. The Packers were arguably missing 5 of their top 6 players (Gary being the other one). Some dumb mistakes but it's a really young team. I think they could be very good once they are fully healthy. Hopefully that actually happens at some point this season.

[yourout]

Bears and Broncos and Jets already battling for the 1st pick next year.

[BrewerFan]

5 minutes ago, yourout said:

Bears and Broncos and Jets already battling for the 1st pick next year.

Eh...we'll see. The Cards have found a way to squander big leagues.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them just...drop the ball in victory formation up by 4 and watch the Cowboys go all Herm Edwards.

It's also going to destroy me to watch the Bears get Caleb Williams. I am...pretty sure he's going to come in and immediately be a top 10 QB and potentially be the 2nd best QB in the league.

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, but YOU stated definitively they'd held out players who were already injured and hadn't played(aside from Jaire) because they thought so little of the Saints.

I think that's silly when there's...literally no reason at all to believe that.

Whatever, dude - unfollow me - your opinion doesn’t matter to me

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

I thought Denver was supposed to have an elite defense, too. Man does Sean Payton have a lot of egg on the face after he just ripped the job by last year's coaching staff in Denver.

I thought the exact same thing

If the NYJ weren’t so abysmal offensively with him as OC, Hatchett would likely get a kick out of Payton’s failure in Denver

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Whatever, dude - unfollow me - your opinion doesn’t matter to me

I don't think I was following you. This isn't Twitter.

 

I was just curious what you based your...conspiracy theory on in which the Packers sit out 6 elite players for Love's home opener because they just knew they had it in the bag vs a 2-0 team, but...it's alright. I don't need any...what are they called...uh...facts. It's alright. 

You believe they did. That's fine. I will "unfollow!"

[HarryDoyle]

11 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I thought the exact same thing

If the NYJ weren’t so abysmal offensively with him as OC, Hatchett would likely get a kick out of Payton’s failure in Denver

It won't matter how abysmal they are if the Broncos lose to the Bears next week. I would call that game a toss up.

[edfunderburk]

57 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I don't think I was following you. This isn't Twitter.

 

I was just curious what you based your...conspiracy theory on in which the Packers sit out 6 elite players for Love's home opener because they just knew they had it in the bag vs a 2-0 team, but...it's alright. I don't need any...what are they called...uh...facts. It's alright. 

You believe they did. That's fine. I will "unfollow!"

X … not Twitter 🙌🏼🏈🙌🏼

[LouisEly]

The OL didn't have a good game, but the one guy on the OL who I don't recall being talked about is Walker, and for an OL to not get talked about is usually a good thing.  He missed one run block where he had to come across the line on a pull but I don't know if that was on him or if it was just a poor play design that took too long to block.

Will be very interested in what his pass block PFF grade is.  The only sack by the Saints the entire game was by Taylor on the CB blitz. 

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, LouisEly said:

The OL didn't have a good game, but the one guy on the OL who I don't recall being talked about is Walker, and for an OL to not get talked about is usually a good thing.  He missed one run block where he had to come across the line on a pull but I don't know if that was on him or if it was just a poor play design that took too long to block.

Will be very interested in what his pass block PFF grade is.  The only sack by the Saints the entire game was by Taylor on the CB blitz. 

Especially for a guy who was going up against Gunderson or Jordan. Myers also seemed solid. But Love really has consistently worked the pocket REALLY well. Even if he's missed throws like early this game, he's stepping up in the pocket, side stepping pass rushers and if he needs to, he's bailing out and getting out into space. 

[Zad Fnark]

11 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

It's also going to destroy me to watch the Bears get Caleb Williams. I am...pretty sure he's going to come in and immediately be a top 10 QB and potentially be the 2nd best QB in the league.

It's the Bears...  They'll still find a way to break him.

[CheezWizHed]

Jordan Love is interesting.  Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde.  Horrible at times, incredible others.  Extreme hot and cold.  How can he warm up those cold snaps??

Valentine looked good to me.  He got knocked for giving up a TD to Olave but it required a perfect throw and he was on their #1 WR. 

Walker/Tom looked good.  Runyan and Newman...not so much. 

Doubs had some incredible catches.  We spread the ball around a lot, but Doubs disappears often. Wicks looks like a player.  Can't wait for Watson to get out there. 

Musgrave would've had a big game if Love was able to connect with him.

Gary looks like he is busting out and playing 50%.  Wow.  

Clark had another big game.  Hopefully he keeps it up. I'll happily eat crow. 

Savage looking rejuvinated.... I wonder what changed (either for him falling off or for him picking it up).  I wonder if we might still extend him this year? 

Our RBs stink without Jones.  Wilson isn't getting many chances yet, but neither he nor Dillon are impacting much.  I'm sure our Gs don't help either. 

Why oh why is Deguara still on the team?  Special Teams I guess, but his blocking continues to get pitiful scores.  Odd that given no one wants FBs anymore and we can't find a half-decent one...

[BrewerFan]

22 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Jordan Love is interesting.  Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde.  Horrible at times, incredible others.  Extreme hot and cold.  How can he warm up those cold snaps??

Valentine looked good to me.  He got knocked for giving up a TD to Olave but it required a perfect throw and he was on their #1 WR. 

Walker/Tom looked good.  Runyan and Newman...not so much. 

Doubs had some incredible catches.  We spread the ball around a lot, but Doubs disappears often. Wicks looks like a player.  Can't wait for Watson to get out there. 

Musgrave would've had a big game if Love was able to connect with him.

Gary looks like he is busting out and playing 50%.  Wow.  

Clark had another big game.  Hopefully he keeps it up. I'll happily eat crow. 

Savage looking rejuvinated.... I wonder what changed (either for him falling off or for him picking it up).  I wonder if we might still extend him this year? 

Our RBs stink without Jones.  Wilson isn't getting many chances yet, but neither he nor Dillon are impacting much.  I'm sure our Gs don't help either. 

Why oh why is Deguara still on the team?  Special Teams I guess, but his blocking continues to get pitiful scores.  Odd that given no one wants FBs anymore and we can't find a half-decent one...

I think I pretty much agree with all of this.

Yeah, I'm still not sure what Jordan Love is. It's possible he's Jay Cutler-ish. We mocked, but he looked like a franchise QB in Denver. Obviously he's better at protecting the ball, but I do wonder if maybe he's trying to a bit too hard. He seems to err on the side of caution when it comes to his throws.

He seems to make sure(usually) that if he's going to miss, he's going to miss safe. There were maybe 5 poor throws that I think could have made this an elite game for Love(I think the poise and just the outcome make it an elite game for the circumstances).

-But the throw to Musgrave down the seem. Again, hard to tell if Musgrave started to sit down on that one and Love expected him to keep going, but the throw was at least not in danger of being picked.

I actually wrote down a couple throws in a text, but there was a couple of outs he threw to the inside shoulder. Can't do that.

-A BIG issue yet are the plays where you're not sure who it's on, but Love and his receiver clearly aren't on the same page. The throw to Patrick Taylor, Wicks running a hitch and sitting down in coverage when he had outside leverage and there was nobody outside of him(I'd assume that was supposed to be an out, but who knows). The worst was the one with Taylor as he threw the ball like 4 yards in front of him...but also, why? Why not get it out to Taylor and put him on a CB 1 on 1? It's like he was throwing a back-shoulder but to a RB who's not particularly good at catching the ball. 

So I don't know what Love is, but I sure as hell know what he CAN be and that is...an elite, top tier QB. The throws to Doubs, the throw to Reed down the sideline, some of those corner routes...and he is so calm in the pocket. Something a rookie QB would not be. 

The 4-5 missed throws, the 4-5 passes that COULD or should have been caught and you see how Love ends up with a good performance, but still a .500 completion percentage. I'm confident he'll address those issues, but I also know the tests will keep getting tougher.

It was always going to be up and down, but MLF had no choice but to trust him this week down 17 whereas last week, he made the choice to spend the final 16 minutes trying to run it out save for I think 2 pass attempts in obvious passing situations. 

 

He's certainly not proven he's going to be the next great QB in GB, but the optimism there was to start the season seems justified...through 3 games. J

Again, the way he keeps his cool on that 2 play sequence, the RPO where he kept it and then made an All Pro in Demario Davis miss. Then he comes back, throws it back across his body and beats a top ~10 CB in Lattimore? Incredible sequence.  

What he does with Bakh, Jenkins, Watson, Jones and hopefully Tom...who could all play this week(or all not play...Jenkins the most unlikely as far as we know) is going to be another really interesting test. Hutchinson bearing down on him sans Bakh or Tom will be a test. We'll see how it goes, but I never expected this growth to be linear. 

 

-Agree on Valentine. Very good news that he didn't tear his bicep. 

-Doubs, Wicks, all these guys look competent and if Watson can be a #1, it's going to be allow all these guys to slide down a spot, get easier matchup's and it should make things a lot easier. I don't know if Doubs "disappears 

-Reed can drop the ball and make some highlight catches and make contested catches rare for a rookie WRer. 

 

-Gary needs to be signed ASAP...I think he's already at ~30M a year. A 4/120 extension and it's only going up. He has DPOY upside. 

-Also agree on Savage. Clark...I'm still not totally sold on. He dominates when facing a guy like Bergeron or a backup as the Saints had injuries on their IOL...but he played well. 

 

-Quay Walker looked great again, Wyatt is getting into the backfield. Douglas is still playing well. I still believe a good DC would take this group and elevate it. I can tell what the Packers defense is going to be pre-snap 95% of the time. 

Going back to Valentine, I think he should be getting snaps regularly when he's healthy. 

 

-I haven't I think as far as Deguara goes, it's hard to be a really effective blocks if your RB doesn't help you. I'd be more curious to see if there's a difference on Jones runs vs Dillons runs. Wilson was fine, but I think he needs more carries to get into a groove. I suspect MLF is starting to see he's just not an effective back. 

 

I'll start with Deguara, but there are a few other players I'd love to see added(or positions) or positions addressed this off-season(Is it too early for that? Probably, but it's about 90% of the reason I watch CFB. The ND-OSU game had 3 OL who we could pick in Rd 1 or 2 who'd fit perfectly).

But;
TE/H-Back, a Delanie Walker type;
-Jaheim Bell is a freak athlete who's a 6'3 240 LB TE who's got great speed. I think he'd be a great pick in Rd 3/4. He's actually carrying the ball at FSU and blocking as a FB. He was a guy they used at WRer at South Carolina. Sounds like the consummate team player and if he's willing to do the dirty things, he could be a fun toy for MLF.
-If we could manage to draft a guy like Latham. Sumatrian(BYU), or even moving up and getting Alt(or even their RT who was one of 2 OL to ever start as a true Fresh before getting hurt early, then coming back as a Soph and Alt winning the LT job and he got pushed over to RT). That'd be huge.

-2nd rd a guy like Van Pran, the Center from UGA would be a HR. You could have a ton of options. Walker is probably an elite Guard if you wanted to move him in there(not that you have to, just if you have Tom and you find a LT in this very deep draft, he'd likely be one of the best 5). 

-JRJ is a guy who gets a 4/40M deal based on being so reliable and steady, but I just can't justify spending that on him. He isn't a difference maker. My opinion on Myers remains the same. Guard would be his best position, but you need a better option.

There are so few area's on this team where we have talent holes and the interior OL is one of them. 

I think you may have been right about spending on a safety this year as well. There are just several proven safeties available. Though one of those players may be Savage. It'd be nice IF we extend him to do so before the 1st day of the league year so we don't have to eat all that void money, but that won't make or break anything. That's already there and just an accounting issue.

Matt LaFleur is also owed a lot of apologies;

I still think I see a 8-10 win team, I think there is even MORE individual talent on this defense than I thought. I think MLF is doing an outstanding job. That 4th down play, I get Wilson short-hopped Love and then Love slipped, but it was a great idea and one that would have been worth 7. 

Going for 2 was great. Love using his legs like he has while also not taking big hits has been great. Keeping the team together down 17 and without 6 of the...what, 8 best players on this team was huge and he gets credit as does Love(only Barry doesn't as they could pitch a shutout and I'd still not believe he contributed to it.

 

 

The Packers are keeping it interesting.

[CheezWizHed]

The throw to Musgrave doesn't bother me too much.  Elite/VG QBs hit that regularly, but it takes time.  Rodgers was an expert at it early in his career, but starting missing them regularly the last few.  

For me, it was Love's throws to tightly covered WRs.  The first half, there many, many throws where the receiver had no prayer as the defense was right on top of him.  He was forcing a lot that went for many incompletions.  Maybe we need to adjust earlier in the game to get Love in rhythm first? I remember Favre seemed to play lousy until we gave up the first sack on him.  Then the fire was lit. Need to figure out Love's trigger. 

A young offense is going to make a lot of mistakes - routes, pre-snap errors, penalties - as they learn.  I'm "ok" with that as long as they continue to grow this year. I think I predicted a 7-8 record and am ok with it being a development year.  I just want to see us going in the right direction. 

Myers and JRJr are playing about neck-and-neck (same as last year).  Not great, not terrible.  I agree that Myers would probably be better at G where his size has more impact and his lack of speed is minimized as he can focus on blocking alone rather than snapping, protection calls, and then blocking. 

Clark: I wasn't paying attention to the quality of the OL across from him, but at least he is dominating the players he should.  I'm sure Gary, Wyatt, and Brooks are all helping him get less attention. 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

The throw to Musgrave doesn't bother me too much.  Elite/VG QBs hit that regularly, but it takes time.  Rodgers was an expert at it early in his career, but starting missing them regularly the last few.  

For me, it was Love's throws to tightly covered WRs.  The first half, there many, many throws where the receiver had no prayer as the defense was right on top of him.  He was forcing a lot that went for many incompletions.  Maybe we need to adjust earlier in the game to get Love in rhythm first? I remember Favre seemed to play lousy until we gave up the first sack on him.  Then the fire was lit. Need to figure out Love's trigger. 

A young offense is going to make a lot of mistakes - routes, pre-snap errors, penalties - as they learn.  I'm "ok" with that as long as they continue to grow this year. I think I predicted a 7-8 record and am ok with it being a development year.  I just want to see us going in the right direction. 

Myers and JRJr are playing about neck-and-neck (same as last year).  Not great, not terrible.  I agree that Myers would probably be better at G where his size has more impact and his lack of speed is minimized as he can focus on blocking alone rather than snapping, protection calls, and then blocking. 

Clark: I wasn't paying attention to the quality of the OL across from him, but at least he is dominating the players he should.  I'm sure Gary, Wyatt, and Brooks are all helping him get less attention. 

Favre just came out ripping 90MPH fastballs like 20 yards over the heads of his WRers. Full crow-hop and just...lacing them. Every announcer pointed that out and they weren't exaggerating. 

But I think you might be right. Rather than coming out and getting the running game going, come out in pace and run the first series like a 4 minute offense. 

I get what you're saying about him not giving the receivers a chance, but on at least a few of those, I don't think it was his fault. Time was running out and NO was in really good coverage. They kept highlighting that Taylor, but Lattimore was an AP CB and Mathieu is very good in coverage. He clearly just missed some and the margin of error being what it is, 2 feet inside vs 2 feet outside is a massive difference and he has to be more consistent than that.

The throw to Musgrave, I disagree a bit on that one. He was really open there. They've missed multiple times. But again, did Musgrave slow down thinking he was going to sit down between the safeties or did Love just completely miss it? 

 

What we totally agree on is that I don't care if they're 7-10 or 10-7, that's far less important to me than how they get to those. You could look at it that Musgrave is so open so often, that's telling in and of itself. He's a huge weapon. Love makes me a little nervous throwing his guys into coverage also.

 

IOL, we're just going to have to accept that without Jenkins, we're average at best inside. Probably a little better in pass pro, but not very good vs the run. And I'd abandon some of that zone blocking and just run some more power and ISO. Obviously not the outside zone, that's their bread and butter and Jones can run that fine, but they're just not good at beating their guys to the spot on the inside and it's easier for one player to blow up a run play. Should help Deguara as well. Dillon was blocking pretty effectively in the same situation last year...albeit in limited snaps. 

 

This game vs Detroit is going to be HUGE. The clear favorites IMO from the last game of last year, they're beat up. Hutchinson is going to be a problem if Tom or Bakh aren't playing. Another good showing from Love on TNF would be huge.

 

I'd also really like to see more Heath. He was such an impressive hands catcher and in traffic. I think he's a good fit with Love. Doesn't have to become the #1.

 

I'm just really excited about what this team could be. The 2022 draft is looking like a franchise altering draft and the '23 draft in a year may as well. 

Quay-Future All Pro? 
Wyatt-He's been shockingly solid vs the run given he's a little bit mis-matched in this system.
Watson-Even if he doesn't develop into a complete WRer, he's a huge asset.
Doubs-HR for a 4th Rd pick, and appears to be at worst a really good supplementary WRer.
Tom-Just a HR for any Rd. I remember seeing him mocked to the Packers in so many places...even called the "typical Packers OL." By the way, in this draft, that's the kid from Duke, Barton. 
Walker-I feel a little like him like I did about Bakh after Bakh's rookie season. He's competent, but you can do better. I hope to be as wrong about him as I was about Bakh. 

Enagbare has been slightly disappointing to me, Toure has been reliable, Rhyan...a typical 3rd, but time to turn it around. But 6 starters already? 

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

I get what you're saying about him not giving the receivers a chance, but on at least a few of those, I don't think it was his fault. Time was running out and NO was in really good coverage. They kept highlighting that Taylor, but Lattimore was an AP CB and Mathieu is very good in coverage. He clearly just missed some and the margin of error being what it is, 2 feet inside vs 2 feet outside is a massive difference and he has to be more consistent than that.

The throw to Musgrave, I disagree a bit on that one. He was really open there. They've missed multiple times. But again, did Musgrave slow down thinking he was going to sit down between the safeties or did Love just completely miss it? 

The problem wasn't that the WRs were covered by really good CBs... the problem is he kept throwing it in despite little chance of completing it.  Where is the check-down instead?  Roll out and keep the play alive (or run for a couple). 

Musgrave - I'm not saying Love couldn't have thrown a better ball... Musgrave was wide open.  I'm just saying it isn't surprising early in the career... those longer passes take time to develop the touch and timing.  As I said, Rodgers suddenly lost his touch on those the last few years also.  They look easier than they are. 

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

I'd also really like to see more Heath. He was such an impressive hands catcher and in traffic. I think he's a good fit with Love. Doesn't have to become the #1.

I kind of figured Heath was going to turn into a pumpkin against starting CBs.  He was able to beat slower or less experienced CBs in pre-season, but his lack of speed is still an impediment.  He is getting a lot of snaps but can't get open to save his life.  It took Lazard a few years to get there with footwork and route running.  Same (at best) with Heath. 

I'd like to see Doubs get the Davante treatment... but I'm also a bit curious if he is locked up with #1 CBs and can't get free himself.  Or if plays are designed to go various ways and he is just too far down the progression at times.  Doubs certainly as the look of a WR that has that special "it" - hands, feet, route running... not uber fast, but plenty fast enough.

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

The problem wasn't that the WRs were covered by really good CBs... the problem is he kept throwing it in despite little chance of completing it.  Where is the check-down instead?  Roll out and keep the play alive (or run for a couple). 

Musgrave - I'm not saying Love couldn't have thrown a better ball... Musgrave was wide open.  I'm just saying it isn't surprising early in the career... those longer passes take time to develop the touch and timing.  As I said, Rodgers suddenly lost his touch on those the last few years also.  They look easier than they are. 

I noticed they kept Dillon in particular in the backfield a lot more. He didn't wait to see if there was a blitzer who needed help, he spent more time in the backfield, I assumed to compensate for the OL weaknesses. That'd be my best guess as to why.

I'd like to see Kraft used more as a checkdown option, but...apparently he's just not ready to play yet based on the limited number of snaps he's played. 12 the last two games.

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I kind of figured Heath was going to turn into a pumpkin against starting CBs.  He was able to beat slower or less experienced CBs in pre-season, but his lack of speed is still an impediment.  He is getting a lot of snaps but can't get open to save his life.  It took Lazard a few years to get there with footwork and route running.  Same (at best) with Heath. 

I don't think Heath is having nearly that much trouble getting open. He beats his man off the LOS on one route where Love underthrows it at ~28 minutes in or I think they have a big TD on that play. On that Reed throw where he runs that corner route, Heath wins again. He's run 11 routes the last two weeks and he's obviously behind Doubs, Reed and Musgrave on most reads, but he looks good to my eye off the LOS. 

I think he's more savvy than Lazard was early on.

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I'd like to see Doubs get the Davante treatment... but I'm also a bit curious if he is locked up with #1 CBs and can't get free himself.  Or if plays are designed to go various ways and he is just too far down the progression at times.  Doubs certainly as the look of a WR that has that special "it" - hands, feet, route running... not uber fast, but plenty fast enough.

Yeah, that fade down the sideline they cover on that "QB School," as well. Doubs makes a great move as the hot route(or a double move, but the assumption was he thought he was hot) then sees there's no pressure and beats his man.

Seems like Reed has the best chemistry, but he's also struggled the most with drops. 

I don't think we're going to see a guy get the Davante treatment anytime soon with Love...and I don't think it was great for Rodgers. Rodgers was at his best early in his career when he was spreading it around with Jennings, Nelson, Jones, Finley, Driver was still around. 

 

He's making some incredible throws and missing some easier ones. If he can get a little more consistent, it's going to be pretty special. And way he's calm though, never really rattled, that's just huge for a young QB. I don't care if he sat for 3 years. That 24 yard run is a sack for a lot of young QBs and for the ones who are taking off and running, they're also usually not also standing in there and delivering that ball to Reed that was perfect despite pressure coming(one of the very few times Tom got beat).