Counsell to Cubs

[wallus]

His statement should have read "The Cubs offered me a lot more money and I wanted to make the most money possible."
 

[sobomp3]

Craig could have retired, gone to the Mets, Houston, Cleveland, and I would have said "good luck, and thanks for everything"... but this? I will boo this clown every chance I get. What an absolute stab in the back. I wish nothing but terrible for Craig Counsell going forward.

[homer]

Unlike a player, he won't get worse at the end of the deal and there is no injury risk. You pretty much know what you're getting from day 1 to the end of the contract. Guess we will see if he's a dime a dozen. My hunch is that he is not.

[yourout]

Am I surprised he went elsewhere.... No.

Am I surprised it's the Cubs..... Yes.

[RobertCrawley]

3 minutes ago, homer said:

Unlike a player, he won't get worse at the end of the deal and there is no injury risk. You pretty much know what you're getting from day 1 to the end of the contract. Guess we will see if he's a dime a dozen. My hunch is that he is not.

He's a very good manager. But he's also capable of taking the $$ knowing that it will anger people who really liked him and supported him, with the self-delusional or self-rationalizing phrase that he's helping other managers.

[sveumrules]

8 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

He had no less than three interviews with teams and chose to leave. Obviously he didn't want to be here anymore for reasons only known to him and the Brewers organization.

The reason is out there, he wanted to enhance the valuation of the managerial position.

The Brewers offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid manager in the game, the Cubs blew by that.

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

 he wanted to enhance the valuation of the managerial position.

I would say the same thing if I was going to a rival team and taking the money.

[MVP2110]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

The reason is out there, he wanted to enhance the valuation of the managerial position.

The Brewers offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid manager in the game, the Cubs blew by that.

I find it extremely hypocritical for him to say he was doing this for the good of all managers while actively engaging with a team that already had a manager that he knew would get fired as a result of his direct action

[RobertCrawley]

2 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

I find it extremely hypocritical for him to say he was doing this for the good of all managers while actively engaging with a team that already had a manager that he knew would get fired as a result of his direct action

This is a right on point.

[nate82]

Just now, MVP2110 said:

I find it extremely hypocritical for him to say he was doing this for the good of all managers while actively engaging with a team that already had a manager that he knew would get fired as a result of his direct action

The Cubs have done this twice now once to Sveum and now to Ross.  

[sveumrules]

2 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

I find it extremely hypocritical for him to say he was doing this for the good of all managers while actively engaging with a team that already had a manager that he knew would get fired as a result of his direct action

Ross still gets paid.

If he is perceived as a good manager he will get hired somewhere else, and maybe even get a raise if Craig's new deal has its intended effect.

[RobertCrawley]

I hope the Cubs also sign Winker and Chafin'.

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Ross still gets paid.

If he is perceived as a good manager he will get hired somewhere else, and maybe even get a raise if Craig's new deal has its intended effect.

I'm sure Ross is on the phone thanking him right now.

[sveumrules]

Just now, RobertCrawley said:

I'm sure Ross is on the phone thanking him right now.

I'd rather get paid to sit at home and do nothing than manage the Cubs.

[FidoMcCokefiend]

I say this wanting it to be known that I LOATHE the Chicago Cubs. I loathe every thing about them, their fans, their TV network, their announcers, everything. 

I fully expected CC to leave. Mets seemed like the obvious, but I was prepared for him to leave. The Cubs is a shock, but at the end of the day I won't say anything negative about CC. There isn't a person on this board that would turn down $12.5M for some belief of loyalty or home town discount. It would be ludicrous for him not to take the job. I ain't gonna root for the Cubs ever and frankly hope they go 0-162, but I have no ill will to CC at all. Get that bag, man. 

I also don't know how much impact a manager really has on a day to day basis. Personally, I think the culture, clubhouse, and managing egos is a bigger issue for manager, but talent and winning covers up a lot.  

Losing your young respected GM and your well regarded manager I think says that legit competing for titles in this environment, with this ownership, is just unlikely if they continue on same path. So, time throw out the status quo, pull the Astros move, bottom out, move Burnes and whatever else you can and see if you can build around Chourio and farm talent in 26/27...  

I really wanted nothing more than to watch the final out of a WS with my Dad while listening to Ueck and that's the biggest bummer for me as that light at the end of the tunnel is getting dimmer every year. 

[homer]

This is the second time in recent memory the Cubs have fired a guy who didn't expect to get fired. They canned Rick Renteria after one season when Maddon became available 

[MVP2110]

Just now, sveumrules said:

I'd rather get paid to sit at home and do nothing than manage the Cubs.

I doubt Ross feels the same way

[RobertCrawley]

12 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

I'd rather get paid to sit at home and do nothing than manage the Cubs.

Your name isn't David Ross.

But I know whose name is Mudd.

[MrTPlush]

35 minutes ago, treego14 said:

CC was way overrated as a manager!

Jesse Winker in the playoffs?

The overuse of poor players like Travis Shaw and Eric Sogard come to mind ... when better options were right in front of him.

CC was above question by the fans/media, too ... he was too pompous, especially in the last few years.

Let's get David Ross and destroy the Cubs again!

I pondered this wondering when he went from nice manager to have to all of a sudden best manager in history our lives depend on him.

Can anyone with a straight face honestly say this guy is an elite in-game manager? I mean…honestly? Most of his tenure has been a running joke of giving a guy like him as a player 500 ABs…or clinging to veterans no matter how trash they are. Don’t get me started about him being able to ride elite starters and elite late inning arms to near cruise control victories. There have been countless moments in the postseason in recent years where the other manager was going crazy trying to win a game as Counsell tried to be as mid season form as possible. This year the other manager went all in on Game 1 unloading his entire bullpen not worrying about the next game…dude then ends up winning Game 1, the next day, and then getting a trip to the World Series. I recall Game 2 having bold PHs for the D Backs as Counsell either refused or had the dumbest guy PH.

No doubt the guy has a way to make a good clubhouse and have guys like him…but is he actually that good when it comes game time?

If he isn’t that good in a game, is it that hard to replace a nice guy all the players like? I guess we will find out, maybe it is. Probably going to be hard to know what we end up with as this team is kinda prepped for a bit of a nosedive without Woodruff and maybe Burnes.

[markedman5]

35 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Counsell did a lot of good here and guided the brewers towards their most successful decade or so run of success. I wish he didn't go to the cubs, I wish the Brewers are not behind the 8 ball with such a late start to hire a replacement. Obviously, I won't cheer for him anymore but won't say anything negative now that his foot is out the door.

Also how shouldn't the Cubs not be in trouble for tampering. They clearly were negotiating a contract for Counsell while Ross was still employed. 

That’s not tampering……it’s only tampering if they talked to CC while he was still under contract with the Brewers or without permission……..no evidence that occurred.

All they did was negotiate to replace a guy who they still had under contract…..which they  must payout now that they no longer want his services.

 

 

 

[StearnsFTW]

I gotta tell ya, I'd like it if we hired Ross.

[BrewCrewBaby82]

While I am not happy with Counsell for going to the Cubs, There may be more than meets the eye. Is it possible that he did not want any part of a rebuild? There are a lot of players that are looking for contracts and let's face it, Attanasio continues to lower payroll. The toughest contract right now is Yelich. $26M for a guy that was given a contract after 2 career years has been the Brewers downfall for a better portion of my life. It will be interesting to see what the future holds, but buckle up, it could get bumpy!

[RobertCrawley]

5 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

I gotta tell ya, I'd like it if we hired Ross.

Not me. Not the guy who complained about the roof. He's not the highest quality on the shelf.

[Bulldogboy]

To me this dates back to all star break last year trading your closer. You were winning and then you traded a key piece to save money. You lost the clubhouse and left Counsell to do damage control after things went south. To me right then and there he decided he's not coming back no matter what the circumstances are. Now the fact he doubled his salary is icing on the cake. He wasn't on a world tour because he Really wanted to be back. He left because he wants a shot at the Ohtani of the world instead of the Rowdys of the world. I hate it but in the end my opinion Counsell was super overrated. When he first got here he was doing some different stuff around bullpen use and stuff. Lately pretty basic cookie cutter managing. He is good not great. He will win though because Cubs are going to spend monet because they promised him they would otherwise he would have just stayed here.

[homer]

2 minutes ago, BrewCrewBaby82 said:

While I am not happy with Counsell for going to the Cubs, There may be more than meets the eye. Is it possible that he did not want any part of a rebuild? There are a lot of players that are looking for contracts and let's face it, Attanasio continues to lower payroll. The toughest contract right now is Yelich. $26M for a guy that was given a contract after 2 career years has been the Brewers downfall for a better portion of my life. It will be interesting to see what the future holds, but buckle up, it could get bumpy!

Welcome to the board!