Counsell to Cubs

[tmwiese55]

1 minute ago, HarryDoyle said:

And he didn't want to manage a team who's owner only spends money on over the hill retreads to one year contracts and instead manage a team that will spend big money to put a real championship contender on the field.

Yet has finished better than them in 5 straight non 2020 covid seasons. 

don't get me wrong, I get the overall point and I'm sure being on a team constantly dealing with fighting budget is a problem.  But statements like this are just too far.   Everything MKE management has done the last chunk of years has been better and smarter than the Cubs.

Also, the Cubs just let all their star players walk instead of paying them. IMO they were correct in doing so and long term those were the smart moves. But contrary to your statement the owners pocketed all the profits rather than pay their players. 

[HarryDoyle]

1 minute ago, homer said:

Wait, you mean the team that traded away every component from it's World Series title squad?

Yes. 

Rumors from Chicago sports radio is that the Cubs are going to be one of the most active buyers during the off season, maybe even the most active.

[wallus]

People comparing this to losing CC Sabathia? Come on now, have some perspective.

It was 2.5 million dollars a year. Players that left via free agency got offered MUCH more than the Brewers offered.

This is the RARE case where Mark should have ponied up. 

[Samurai Bucky]

3 hours ago, markedman5 said:

 

Hey Barry -- a word of advice.  Don't start by telling us you are a Cubs fan. Just represent your client.

Cubs fan:  "BARRY!  YOU ARE KING ****!!!!!"

[Crew2323]

 

Yikes...

[Frisbee Slider]

3 minutes ago, wallus said:

This is the RARE case where Mark should have ponied up. 

It doesn’t seem like Mark had opportunity to match the offer?

[Brewcrew82]

This is a really bad look for CC and only bolsters claims he was checked out during the  Wild Card series…

[IntentionalHBP1]

Damn Mark. He’s right but damn.

[brewers4eric]

At least this clears things out so that Wade Miley can take over as player/manager.  I didn't need another reason to cheer against the Cubs but this will give me more motivation to do so.  

 

[TURBO]

CC is dead to me.

There are 2 teams, TWO TEAMS that he could have went to that I wouldn't have wished him luck.  The Cubs and the Cardinals.  That's it, those two teams.  Every other team, had he taken the money, I'd have been fine with. 

I actually believe that him leaving won't be too detrimental to our future.  I believe that we were in need of a new direction, and that CC really had done all he could in Milwaukee.  I believe that what he was doing was growing stale, and that a change was needed.  So the fact that he left really doesn't bother me that much.  But the Cubs?  The Freaking CUBS?  For that, I will never forgive him.

He knows it was a dick move to move to the Cubs of all teams, but he did it anyway. 

Screw him.

[HarveysWBs]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

This is a really bad look for CC and only bolsters claims he was checked out during the  Wild Card series…

It’s not a good look at all, and I imagine everyone will see their priors confirmed in it.  
- Think CC was a bad manager down the stretch?  You’ve got causation for your theory.

- Think the organization is in a tailspin and the rats are abandoning ship?  Here’s some more ammo.

- Think the message just got stale after almost a decade and CC needed a new environment?  You could read these tea leaves that way, too.

We need a quick pivot and some good news, cause I hate the narrative building game that will inevitably result from this.

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, TURBO said:

Just like Sabathia...

That’s just not a great comp. The CC offer was like oh well we offered to offer knowing there was zero chance.

The Brewers put in a legitimate and realistic offer for Counsell. To be quite frank, anything above what they offered was just dumb money being thrown around.

[MVP2110]

It's an absolutely terrible look for Counsell imo that he was already thinking of leaving while in the middle of a division race and before the playoffs even started. The more that comes out the more I hate CC

[FidoMcCokefiend]

44 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Wow shots fired!

Silly and childish statement. Wish him well and move on, this makes the organization look petty and cheap. Not seeing how that helps attract a new manager or talent if the owner bashes them on the way out.

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, FidoMcCokefiend said:

Silly and childish statement. Wish him well and move on, this makes the organization look petty and cheap. Not seeing how that helps attract a new manager or talent if the owner bashes them on the way out.

Well, he’s not going to get a lot of good will when he high tails it to a division rival and let’s everyone know during the middle of the  playoff race that he’s thinking about managing elsewhere.

[Sixtolezcano]

3 hours ago, sveumrules said:

The reason is out there, he wanted to enhance the valuation of the managerial position.

The Brewers offered him a contract that would have made him the highest paid manager in the game, the Cubs blew by that.

That is what he says to rationalize his decision. I hope you don’t believe everything someone tells you (I.e. politician-T).

[MrTPlush]

#1 We get excited when the Cubs overpay for FA players, why not celebrate when they overpay for a manager?

#2 I don’t mind Attanasio’s comment. In the end Counsell strung along the Brewers and put them in a crap situation. It seems Counsell was arguably a bit of a diva for this entire thing.

[MVP2110]

"wanted to go to the Cubs"

 

 

[owbc]

6 minutes ago, MVP2110 said:

"wanted to go to the Cubs"

 

 

He wanted to be rid of the Brewers but close to family. 

He probably would have gone to New York if the Cubs hadn't swooped in with a 'can't refuse' offer. 

I'm glad Mark A threw some shade. When you lose someone of the stature of Counsell to a rival, without even getting a chance to counteroffer, you don't say "he'll always be a Brewer in our hearts" or something like that. 

 

[brewers888]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Wow shots fired!

That quote tells you that the relationship between Counsell and Attanasio wasn't good before this went down.

[folly412]

29 minutes ago, Crew2323 said:

 

Yikes...

Saying all the staff are staying seems like a dumb statement to make unless they've already decided they are promoting from within.  Unless they're totally incompetent, an external hire will pick his staff. 

[Sixtolezcano]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

I'm not seeing a whole lot of people making this about Attanasio or an organizational failure. It's basically the same people who always Sixto and then Brewer888 who said the Mets were going to give Counsell 15M a year and it was a lock he was going there. 

But you told everyone the Brewers would match no matter what….

 

 

[HarveysWBs]

14 minutes ago, FidoMcCokefiend said:

Silly and childish statement. Wish him well and move on, this makes the organization look petty and cheap. Not seeing how that helps attract a new manager or talent if the owner bashes them on the way out.

Strongly disagree with this.  It’s a highly unusual circumstance that would be (and was) different every other time the Brewers have made a managerial change.  This was Craig Counsell deciding to shiv the organization in a stretch run, turn down a historic contract with his supposedly beloved franchise, and join the Cubs.  The Cubs.

The feelings of the people in the clubhouse matter, too.  And the fan base opinion sure as heck matters on this, because gate sales move the needle—Attansio mentions it all the time.  He needed to take a forceful position and he chose the right side.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

27 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

That quote tells you that the relationship between Counsell and Attanasio wasn't good before this went down.

What changed? It was without doubt a great relationship in the past

[MVP2110]

If there was any doubt, the Brewers did not have an opportunity to match the Cubs offer