Taylor, Houser to NYM

[brewers888]

Sorry just see no way to defend a move like this.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap

Chourio. 

[DR28]

11 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

This feels like a deal that precedes a series of other deals and will reserve judgment until it all plays out.

Agreed, there's gotta be more moves coming...... Because this doesnt make sense AT ALL.

So Ashby in the rotation then? Otherwise right now we're looking at Burnes, Peralta, Rea, Miley, Gasser????

[SRB]

Just now, wiguy94 said:

Those fantastic numbers were with the tacky ball and a 24 inning sample. I don't have any issues with us getting Coleman Crow. I have an issue with us not drafting him in the Rule 5 and instead trading 2 MLB players for him in what at least for now appears to be a cost saving move.

By the same logic if you think this was a "salary dump" then they could have just non-tendered Houser and Taylor. Neither is on a guaranteed contract.

They clearly really like Crow, who looks like an interesting arm, and think Houser and Taylor are superfluous. Considering neither player is that amazing I assume this was the best offer they got.

[brewers888]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Chourio. 

One signing of a guy who isn't getting paid big money for the next few years does not show that this owner isn't cheap.  

[brewers888]

This team has no pitching depth so I just don't get how anyone defends this.

[Brewcrew82]

In the long run, this deal isn't going to kill us as Taylor and Houser are just guys, with Houser having only one year of control left. 

We'll see what else they do as far as this season goes. We needed roster space and room for Chourio. You're probably looking at an OD OF of Yelich, Chourio, and Frelick, which I'd gladly sign up for. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, SRB said:

By the same logic if you think this was a "salary dump" then they could have just non-tendered Houser and Taylor. Neither is on a guaranteed contract.

They clearly really like Crow, who looks like an interesting arm, and think Houser and Taylor are superfluous. Considering neither player is that amazing I assume this was the best offer they got.

If they really liked Crow they could have selected him in the Rule 5 draft 2 weeks ago.

[SRB]

2 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

Sorry just see no way to defend a move like this.

It's not that hard to defend just from a roster construction stand point, even setting aside how much value you put on Crow.

Taylor does not even have a spot on the 25-man if Chourio is going to make the opening day roster. And Houser is making too much money to be a 6th/7th SP or long reliever if they want to roll with younger players in the rotation.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

One signing of a guy who isn't getting paid big money for the next few years does not show that this owner isn't cheap.  

They're committing a record sum to a guy without major league experience. That's totally not cheap.

[iKezims]

3 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Agreed, there's gotta be more moves coming...... Because this doesnt make sense AT ALL.

So Ashby in the rotation then? Otherwise right now we're looking at Burnes, Peralta, Rea, Miley, Gasser????

Joe Ross probably ends up being the direct Houser replacement here. 

[brewers888]

Its ok to criticize a move and still be a fan of this team. Some people would praise the Brewers bringing Yuni Betancourt out of retirement to play shortstop just to defend this ownership but this is just a salary dump plain and simple.

[Brewcrew82]

Maybe because people aren't all about instantaneous hot takes and are waiting to see how the rest of the offseason plays out. 

And it does make at least some sense considering they had zero space on the 40 man and need to open up room in the OF for Chourio. 

[brewers888]

If this team makes a good Burnes trade I will be the first to give them credit just as I am here to bash what is a pure salary dump.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

14 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Chourio. 

We made that deal because we are cheap lol. There's no way Chourio signs those terms if he wasn't from an impoverished nation. I appreciate the commitment the Brewers gave him but lets not act like it wasn't taking advantage of the situation. Especially IF he hits his ceiling as one of the best players in baseball. If not well he made a heck of a deal for himself. I would say he is more likely to be on the "losing" end of the bargain than the Brewers are. But I am getting off topic now.

I personally am not a fan of helping out the Mets and Stearns. Which is what this deal does. 

[SRB]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

If they really liked Crow they could have selected him in the Rule 5 draft 2 weeks ago.

You keep saying this but do you really think he's going to make the jump to the majors immediately upon returning from TJ surgery in mid-2024? They can't just pretend he's injured all year. There is a huge difference in having him clogging the roster as a Rule 5 selection and having him as a prospect in the system, particularly if the team is trying to compete in 2024.

[tmwiese55]

5 minutes ago, SRB said:

Yeah except all we traded away was one year of a back of the rotation starter and the seventh OF on our depth chart. Frees up money to spend on a useful role player.

As of right now thought Taylor is second most proven outfielder.  As of now, he is better and more reliable than any of the rookies.   I of course agree with you to play the young guys, but having Taylor there as a kind of insurance policy with how cheap he was seemed to make sense.  Weimer should be in AAA playing every day and Yelich is iffy on D (though that's where a future move could change things, like if they added a clear DH type it moves Yeli to full time OF).     

We have to remember injuries happen all the time.  Last year they were still having to sign people like Tapia to play and that was with really lucky injury health from Yelich (have to think thats less likely this year).    Id have kept the stable cheap guy who's good at D in all spots.  Have the young guys playing based on who pans out and who's not hurt.     And then to also give up a year of stable back end rotation guy too for essentially nothing there is no way to not think salary dump.     

And side note, its kind of surprising they couldn't get more for either of these guys?  Have to assume they of course tried but its really shocking to me they couldn't get more back for guys like this, especially with how expensive mediocre starting pitching is

[Brewcrew82]

Honestly, it's not that big of an ask for Gasser et al to replace Houser's production. And if we're taking a step back, I'd rather get Gasser some innings than go with Houser who's gone in a year and is going to get paid more in arbitration. 

[sveumrules]

What do posters upset with the trade believe would have been a more appropriate return for one year of an inconsistent back of the rotation SP and a 4th OF coming off a career worst year?

It may be a salary dump, it may not. All depends on how the rest of the offseason plays out.

If they keep Burnes and Adames and reinvest the money, it will pretty clearly not be solely about saving money.

If they end up dealing Burnes and/or Adames, payroll was always going to go down in that scenario.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

We made that deal because we are cheap lol. There's no way Chourio signs those terms if he wasn't from an impoverished nation. I appreciate the commitment the Brewers gave him but lets not act like it wasn't taken advantage of the situation. Especially IF he hits his ceiling as one of the best players in baseball. If not well he made a heck of a deal for himself. I would say he is more likely to be on the "losing" end of the bargain than the Brewers are. But I am getting off topic now.

I personally am not a fan of helping out the Mets and Stearns. Which is what this deal does. 

Please explain how committing a record sum to a guy without major league experience is a cheap move. It's literally the opposite of cheap. 

We're the smallest market in baseball. If Chourio plays how everyone thinks he will, we have ZERO chance to sign him beyond his age 26 season and after a few years would be in the situation the Nats were with Soto. It's being smart and taking a risk financially. 

[Frisbee Slider]

8 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

but this is just a salary dump plain and simple.

What if they find a better way to spend the $6 million?

[Redd Vencher]

22 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

It's not the same as a Rule 5 pick but we literally could have taken him in the Rule 5 instead of giving up 2 quality MLB players for him and all it would have costed was a year of service time with him on the IL all year.

You would have been forced to keep him on the big league roster most of 2025 as well as Rule 5 picks have to spend like 90-100 days on the big league roster for the restrictions to lapse.

[SRB]

3 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

As of right now thought Taylor is second most proven outfielder.  As of now, he is better and more reliable than any of the rookies.   I of course agree with you to play the young guys, but having Taylor there as a kind of insurance policy with how cheap he was seemed to make sense.  Weimer should be in AAA playing every day and Yelich is iffy on D (though that's where a future move could change things, like if they added a clear DH type it moves Yeli to full time OF).     

We have to remember injuries happen all the time.  Last year they were still having to sign people like Tapia to play and that was with really lucky injury health from Yelich (have to think thats less likely this year).    Id have kept the stable cheap guy who's good at D in all spots.  Have the young guys playing based on who pans out and who's not hurt.     And then to also give up a year of stable back end rotation guy too for essentially nothing there is no way to not think salary dump.     

And side note, its kind of surprising they couldn't get more for either of these guys?  Have to assume they of course tried but its really shocking to me they couldn't get more back for guys like this, especially with how expensive mediocre starting pitching is

Fair points, but I'm not sure how reliable Taylor really is. Am I the only one who remembers how putrid he looked most of last season? I thought he was cooked and the only reason he ended up with a passable stat line is he got super hot in September.

I'd rather have Wiemer on the roster as a plus defender with pop. And even he might not make the roster since we already have Yelich/Chourio/Frelick/Mitchell/Perkins

[Brewcrew82]

Everyone wants to be the Rays. This is exactly what the Rays do. It's how they got Junior Caminero, not that I think Coleman Crow is that type of prospect. 

[Brewcrew82]