Orioles attempt at burnes

[jay87shot]

I don't like trading Burnes and Williams together unless it would unlock Jackson Holiday, which it won't. Seperate we should get 3 really good pieces for each, say 1.5 top 100 prospects. We aren't getting 6 prospects with 3 or 4 top 100 guys for both Burnes and Williams for the O's. 

[Scooterfletcher]

If if if you can get Mayo Ortiz McDermott and Povich for Williams and Burnes I think you have to pull the trigger.  A future infield of Wilken/Ortiz/Black/Mayo with Turang as a Counsell type utility guy sets us up well along with two arms to hit the middle of the rotation.

[alwz4gbp]

On 12/23/2023 at 12:07 PM, wntrtxn21 said:

 

If the Brewers made this deal what would they do for pitching? Peralta, an aging Miley, Ashby coming off a major injury, and?? What would their ceiling be, 70-72 wins?

People need to come to the realization that this is a retool/reload year.  Lets not fool ourselves.  They've got no shot at resigning Burnes and probably only a slim chance of resigning Adames.  Plus, is Adames really worth a monster contract?  I was a fan when he first got here but now, with his decline in batting average and love of chasing HR, I think you sell him off too.   I need my top of the order guys to get on base at a higher percentage than him. 

They're not going to compete with the big boys this year.  They're just not.  Enough of this "bite of the apple" stuff.  This year will be a tiny bite, if its a bite at all.  Trade off end of arbitration guys and spare parts for quality, then sort out where you're at, make a plan and move ahead.   Letting Burnes and Adames play out the string and only getting a draft pick in return is not a plan.  Its doing nothing.  

[Playing Catch]

On 12/28/2023 at 3:05 PM, BrewerFan said:

I think it's waaay to premature to call Misiorowski a TOR arm and I don't believe Gasser or Rodriguez profile as top of the rotation type pitchers either.

TNSTAAPP

The Brewers seem to be an organization that believes this (i.e. they don't usually spend a lot of draft capital or Intnl spending on pitchers -- Misiorowski perhaps being the exception), therefore they just stockpile arms, arms, and more arms in the hopes of turning the into pitchers. Seems to be working.

[Soupy]

I’m with Alwz. We are not going to win the WS this year. Compete for the division. Maybe?  Retool/rebuild and reload. 

[brewmann04]

i think we are better off moving each of the 3 by themselves unless its for a major prospect deal.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

TNSTAAPP

The Brewers seem to be an organization that believes this (i.e. they don't usually spend a lot of draft capital or Intnl spending on pitchers -- Misiorowski perhaps being the exception), therefore they just stockpile arms, arms, and more arms in the hopes of turning the into pitchers. Seems to be working.

Ethan Small, Knoth, Misiorowski, they just traded Hader and the top prospect they got in return was a pitching prospect in Gasser. 

Every team tries to stockpile arms. The Brewers aren't unique in that. I don't think the top-paid prospects on the international market are often pitchers. If they are for another team...I don't know, but I'd agree in that one area the Brewers take a quantity-over quality approach as they're 15 year old kids and that's quite a bit further away than even a Prep arm and now 5-6 years behind a College pitcher... I don't think that's the case in any other aspect of player acquisition.

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They’re prospective ones, so literally, the phrase is untrue. Pithy, but untrue.

I agree with this. It is a pithy acronym, but obviously untrue. If you go back through the years and look at the top 100 prospect list, there are a lot of prospects of all types who don't hit. I'd guess it wouldn't be all that much higher when looking at corner IFers with high K rates who hit for power. They likely also have a lot of variation per season. That doesn't seem like a good reason not to acquire those types of bats. Wasn't a good reason to not invest in Wilken. 

 

 

[Playing Catch]

On 1/3/2024 at 9:19 PM, BrewerFan said:

I agree with this. It is a pithy acronym, but obviously untrue. If you go back through the years and look at the top 100 prospect list, there are a lot of prospects of all types who don't hit.

I agree that the acronym is kind of silly. I was just trying to say that if Misiorowski isn't a prospect that fits your projection as a TOR arm, there must not be many (any?) prospects across all of MLB that do.

[BrewerFan]

On 1/5/2024 at 9:12 AM, Playing Catch said:

I agree that the acronym is kind of silly. I was just trying to say that if Misiorowski isn't a prospect that fits your projection as a TOR arm, there must not be many (any?) prospects across all of MLB that do.

I didn't say Misiorowski doesn't fit 'my' projection as a TOR-type arm, he clearly does. I'm saying he's the only one and there's a lot of risk associated with him, his delivery. 

That, and he's the only pitcher in our system who projects to be a true ace- IF everything clicks for him. But again, he's got 73IP and he's still raw. That doesn't mean he doesn't have TOR-type talent, it means you're banking on a lot to try and put together an elite starting rotation. 

Ultimately, I would just prefer we target talented arms with big velo, spin rates and let the Brewers work with them. It doesn't have to be a guy like Painter, I trust the Brewers to find guys who fit their criteria and make the right move. I would be happy if we got Mayo and a couple of prospects. I'd just be happier if we got a couple of pitchers who have high upsides(even if they may be a bit further away). 

[Scooterfletcher]

On 1/5/2024 at 9:12 AM, Playing Catch said:

I agree that the acronym is kind of silly. I was just trying to say that if Misiorowski isn't a prospect that fits your projection as a TOR arm, there must not be many (any?) prospects across all of MLB that do.

Most important to MA seems to be to finish ahead of Counsell and the Cubs the year that CC spurned him.   In MA’s eyes, I feel we simply must finish ahead of the Cubbies this year and need Burnes to have our best shot at reaching that feat.

[Team Canada]

On 1/7/2024 at 8:01 AM, Scooterfletcher said:

Most important to MA seems to be to finish ahead of Counsell and the Cubs the year that CC spurned him.   

What actual evidence do you have for this? But answer in the actual thread you started...

[Matt Breen]

I think Baltimore matches up really well with Milwaukee. They have prospects, we have Burnes. Fits well.

However, I just don't see Baltimore making the leap. They know Burnes is gone after one year, and don't want to deal a top 25 prospect such as Mayo for one year of a guy - no matter how good. 

But who knows. They may be waiting to see how Boston and New York react to things. 

[Scooterfletcher]

5 hours ago, Team Canada said:

What actual evidence do you have for this? But answer in the actual thread you started...

The word “seems” allows for this to simply be my perception.   Whether right or wrong, it is my perception and we will see if it is correct in due time.  

[Team Canada]

8 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

The word “seems” allows for this to simply be my perception.   Whether right or wrong, it is my perception and we will see if it is correct in due time.  

Sure, but what are you basing that perception on? You have to be perceiving something, otherwise it's just a made up statement.

[wallus]

If teams aren't willing to give much for these guys, let's just trade for Bieber and Cease then.

[JohnBriggs12]

On 12/22/2023 at 8:40 AM, Lloyd330 said:

Mayo / McDermott

Mayo's very similar to Wilken.  One of those two would have to be moved to 1B.  If Black can handle 2B, a Brewer infield for the next 5 or 6 years of Mayo, Turang, Black and Wilken might be very intriguing.  

[TURBO]

15 hours ago, Team Canada said:

Sure, but what are you basing that perception on? You have to be perceiving something, otherwise it's just a made up statement.

Seems the guy just has an opinion, no fault in that is there?  This board is filled with opinions...

[Team Canada]

"I think Yelich is overpaid" is an opinion. 

"Burnes is going to be traded" is an opinion.

I guess you can call "Most important to MA seems to be to finish ahead of Counsell and the Cubs the year that CC spurned him," an opinion, but it's completely reasonable to ask what basis there is for that opinion, just as someone might ask a poster to back up any other opinion they have.