Brewers (Ross) vs Royals (Singer): 5/8/24, 1:10pm

[yfinn6]

With 2, 3, and potentially 4 up, that's a really bad send even with the fielder running to his right. Dunn didn't have a great read and yeah. Frustrating. 

[Sugarrayray]

The Sanchize!! Bad send on bad lead/baserunning for Dunn. Tired of him playing over Ortiz.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, tmwiese55 said:

Chourio should be in AAA in terms of actually play/development at this point.   Due to injury though you can't

I get why they sent there due to the OF running to the side so its a tough throw.   But I probably take my chances 2nd and 3rd 1 out once Dunn correctly hesitated to make sure it was down. 

Chourio needs to face MLB pitchers. He's already made the first adjustment and is chasing and striking out a lot less.

[tmwiese55]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Chourio needs to face MLB pitchers. He's already made the first adjustment and is chasing and striking out a lot less.

Its fine if you want to develop him and know his potential.    But actual game play he's a AAA player right now.  He essentially skipped aaa.   Results speak for themselves 

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Its fine if you want to develop him and know his potential.    But actual game play he's a AAA player right now.  Results speak for themselves 

They paid him $80 million to develop him in the major leagues. He's 20 years old. They're committed to him as their present and future. He's not even the OFer that should be first up for a demotion. That would be Frelick. 

Look up Bobby Witt Jr. or Julio Rodriguez's stats over their first 32 games. 

[beekay414]

2 minutes ago, duewizard said:

Bauers, Dunn sure. Perkins is a great 4th OF. One of the best defenders at his position, Sánchez is doing what he is paid to do. Hit bombs and give Contreras off days.

Perkins, as a hitter, is a minor leaguer. That's the point, thus the "to the plate" part of the comment that I responded to. We're not talking defense here. 

Sanchez is worthless 80% of the time at the plate. I get that we're getting what we paid for but he's gonna be "no fun" to watch 80% of the time because of what he is. Nothing groundbreaking here.

[wiguy94]

14 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Bauers, Sanchez, Dunn, Perkins

I'll save you time on Perkins since that's where the argument will probably come, he started nicely but he's hitting .211 over his last 20 games since hitting .367 over his first 8 games. 

Sanchez provides one thing and one thing only and he doesn't provide it at an elite enough pace to be as poor a hitter as he is. 

Bauers and Dunn are self explanatory. 

Sanchez????

[tmwiese55]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

They paid him $80 million to develop him in the major leagues. He's 20 years old. They're committed to him as their present and future. He's not even the OFer that should be first up for a demotion. That would be Frelick. 

Look up Bobby Witt Jr. or Julio Rodriguez's stats over their first 32 games. 

Yea so as I said, he's up for reasons other than his actual ability to play right now, which is what we're talking about.    Right now he and Frelick are AAA level players.  Hopefully it pays off and they improve later, but right now they're not starting level MLB players. 

IMO if not for the contract and now the injuries he'd be in AAA right now.  Or would've been for the first few weeks and have possibly been brought up now-ish if he tore up AAA.     

[treego14]

I miss Mark Kotsay.

[beekay414]

1 minute ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea so as I said, he's up for reasons other than his actual ability to play right now.    Right now he and Frelick are AAA level players.  Hopefully it pays off and they improve later, but right now they're not starting level MLB players

We don't have very many starting level offensive MLB players at this point. Not a full lineup anyways.

[Brian]

7 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Its fine if you want to develop him and know his potential.    But actual game play he's a AAA player right now.  Results speak for themselves 

He hit .285 at AAA

[RobertCrawley]

 Everything is odd about Angel.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Brewers were slated to miss Sonny Gray, but with the Mets-Cards game now postponed, they'll likely face him on tomorrow.

Been seeing a lot of good pitchers lately. Gotta hit them in October, so might as well do it in May, I guess. If they can pull out this one today, a 3-3 road trip with these matchups is going to feel really good.

[tmwiese55]

5 minutes ago, Brian said:

He hit .285 at AAA

He's basically been awful at MLB.   I like him as a prospect too and have no beef with them trying this route.   but folks step back and be realistic as to how he's played so far.  Acknowledging it doesn't mean you hate the guy or don't think he'll be good,. He's 20 and it was unrealistic to think he'd be ridiculously good right away so I don't blame him.  But its essentially unarguable that he has not hit well and is overmatched right now. 

He had like 24 PAs in AAA didn't he?

[Brewcrew82]

4 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea so as I said, he's up for reasons other than his actual ability to play right now, which is what we're talking about.    Right now he and Frelick are AAA level players.  Hopefully it pays off and they improve later, but right now they're not starting level MLB players. 

IMO if not for the contract and now the injuries he'd be in AAA right now.  Or would've been for the first few weeks and have possibly been brought up now-ish if he tore up AAA.     

I guess if you also were willing to call Mike Trout, Bobby Witt Jr., Julio Rodriguez, etc. AAA players after their first 30 games. 

[yfinn6]

I can live with Chourio's struggles. I'm more concerned with Frelick's pool noodle he's swinging. 

[duewizard]

3 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Perkins, as a hitter, is a minor leaguer. That's the point, thus the "to the plate" part of the comment that I responded to. We're not talking defense here. 

Sanchez is worthless 80% of the time at the plate. I get that we're getting what we paid for but he's gonna be "no fun" to watch 80% of the time because of what he is. Nothing groundbreaking here.

Perkins as a hitter, might be AAAA, sure. But who are the alternatives? Wiemer? Roller? Brewer Hicklen is performing well in Nashville but lets not kid ourselves there is a reason the guy was a minor league free agent and has 4 career PAs in the majors at 28. And you cannot ignore defense, especially with this team. 10 OAA and a 23.6 UZR/150 over his 648 innings long MLB career are insanely good. Elite even.

Sanchez has a 0.340 wOBA and 120 wRC+ going into today. Top of the league in xwOBA, xBA, xSLG, Barrel% and HardHit%. He will never be an MVP but he is a very solid backup catcher.

[tmwiese55]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I guess if you also were willing to call Mike Trout, Bobby Witt Jr., Julio Rodriguez, etc. AAA players after their first 30 games. 

well I mean yea, if they hit like crap which I know Trout and Witt did then at that point they were AAA hitters.    Doesn't mean the development plan didn't work out later which I'm fine with.  Doesn't change that at the time they were AAA players.  Everyone was at some point.   You know I can also give a list of hot prospects who flopped too right?

I know we all love the kid and hope for the best.  But we don't have to twist ourselves in knots to make excuses like he's awesome no matter what.   Struggling now doesn't mean he 'sucks' or won't get better later.  

[duewizard]

And thats likely game

[yfinn6]

Could have done without that homerun. 

[trwi7]

3 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

I can live with Chourio's struggles. I'm more concerned with Frelick's pool noodle he's swinging. 

Not talked about nearly enough.  Frelick's contact quality is trash.

[yfinn6]

I honestly hate watching this team right now, not sure why I subject myself to it. 

[yfinn6]

1 minute ago, trwi7 said:

Not talked about nearly enough.  Frelick's contact quality is trash.

It looks like he's getting good wood on the ball only to fly out to medium-depth OF. Almost nothing on a line to any gap. His extra base hits have been things hit down the line or hustle doubles.. which are great, but those usually hits you get ON TOP of your ringing doubles, etc. There is NONE of that for Frelick. He's not hitting the ball hard at all. 

[Matt Breen]

8 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

I can live with Chourio's struggles. I'm more concerned with Frelick's pool noodle he's swinging. 

I agree. Frelick is puzzling. I thought he'd step up this year.

 

[Bulldogboy]

Interesting how the Royals lineup has been pretty static this series. Brewers seem to have 5-6 changes every game. Overmanaging is a severe problem. Guess need to get comfortable in a position in the lineup in order to settle in imo.