2024 bucks offseason thread

[Matt Breen]

23 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

he just turned down 15 mil per with the raptors because it wasn't enough. 

https://www.si.com/nba/raptors/toronto-raptors-offered-gary-trent-jr-contract-in-free-agency

Correct. But Toronto pulled that offer off the table - and Trent is standing there without an obvious place to go for big money. This happens every year. A player banks on a big deal, but it doesn't emerge because each team only has so much money left to spend. 

According to sportac - only two teams have practical cap space of more than $3m. And those teams - Detroit and Utah - aren't exactly looking to add guys at this point.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_maximum_space

Of course, teams can clear cap space with trades and so forth. But lots of teams are limited as to what they can do. So Trent may end up looking for the best situation for himself - knowing minimal money is all he's going to get. He'll want playing time - to put up good numbers so he improves his situation for next offseason. And there's a good chance he'll want to play for a relatively stable team that can win. The Bucks can offer all that. Just not the money.

It's a long shot - but who knows.

[CheezWizHed]

How is Trent on defense?  The metrics show him similar to Grayson Allen both offensive and defensively.  Or just about the same defensively and a bit better offensively than Malik Beasly. 

 

I was also looking that the current state of the salary cap in the NBA.  I find it very odd that Milwaukee and Minnesota find themselves in the top 4 biggest spenders right now (along with Boston and Phoenix).  

[nate82]

Would something like this work?

I am not sure the Clippers would do this but it does help them reset a bit if this next season doesn't work out for them.  After this next season they would only have Kawhi for 2-more years and Harden for 1 more.  The Pistons get Beauchamp plus a 2nd but I think the 2031 1st would be more beneficial to them but I think the 2031 1st would be lottery protected.  May need something more to the Pistons.

Offensively the Bucks would be better at SG with Powell. 

[CheezWizHed]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

Would something like this work?

I am not sure the Clippers would do this but it does help them reset a bit if this next season doesn't work out for them.  After this next season they would only have Kawhi for 2-more years and Harden for 1 more.  The Pistons get Beauchamp plus a 2nd but I think the 2031 1st would be more beneficial to them but I think the 2031 1st would be lottery protected.  May need something more to the Pistons.

Offensively the Bucks would be better at SG with Powell. 

What in blazes is the metric that has units in "LEBRON"???

[nate82]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

What in blazes is the metric that has units in "LEBRON"???

Somewhat like WAR but not as good.

https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-introduction/

[CheezWizHed]

13 hours ago, nate82 said:

Somewhat like WAR but not as good.

https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-introduction/

I just threw up in my mouth a little... 

[SeaBass]

14 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I just threw up in my mouth a little... 

Ugh. For the first time in years I was reminded of Sports Illustrated (the actual magazine) and how each week they had a segment titled "This Week's Sign That The Apocalypse Is Upon Us" and boy does this fit. Retroactive to 2022 I guess.

They worked way too hard to make Lebron an acronym. I don't think acronyms typically have to do the type of work this one does to fit 47 words into one 6 letter acronym.

[Matt Breen]

Report that Trent Jr. is not interested in a minimum deal. Didn't expect him to be - but it would've been foolish not to check in on him.

 

[BrewerFan]

On 7/11/2024 at 12:25 PM, nate82 said:

Would something like this work?

I am not sure the Clippers would do this but it does help them reset a bit if this next season doesn't work out for them.  After this next season they would only have Kawhi for 2-more years and Harden for 1 more.  The Pistons get Beauchamp plus a 2nd but I think the 2031 1st would be more beneficial to them but I think the 2031 1st would be lottery protected.  May need something more to the Pistons.

Offensively the Bucks would be better at SG with Powell. 

It'd work in that it'd be an obvious trade the Bucks would almost certainly jump on. Bring Powell back to the team that drafted him.

I just can't see why the other two teams make this trade. Duren has to have more value as a 20-year-old with athleticism who has posted a double-double already and was a lottery pick. 

Powell is going to start for them with PG13 gone. 

Lopez is redundant with Zubac. Not redundant in that they do different things, but I don't see why the Clippers would want another big immobile big when they don't really have a 4 ATM. 

I suppose if you throw Portis into the trade, get Detroit to take Tucker back, the Clippers send a pick/young player to Detroit and the Bucks pick... but neither team has picks until 2031 which diminishes the value and the Bucks, being over the 2nd apron wouldn't be real valuable to Detroit,

Detroit would have to really like one of our young players like an AJJ...but I don't think he's a great fit either.

 

 

 

[Matt Breen]

On 7/11/2024 at 12:25 PM, nate82 said:

Would something like this work?

I am not sure the Clippers would do this but it does help them reset a bit if this next season doesn't work out for them.  After this next season they would only have Kawhi for 2-more years and Harden for 1 more.  The Pistons get Beauchamp plus a 2nd but I think the 2031 1st would be more beneficial to them but I think the 2031 1st would be lottery protected.  May need something more to the Pistons.

Offensively the Bucks would be better at SG with Powell. 

Maybe I don't evaluate players very well, but this seems like an awful deal for the Pistons. 

It's an awesome deal for the Bucks, however. 

Make it happen.

[Matt Breen]

Bucks reported to have interest in Landry Shamet - who played for Doc Rivers for a couple of years. Solid shooter, average defender. 

Free agent guard Landry Shamet has received exploratory interest from the Milwaukee Bucks, Miami Heat, Minnesota Timberwolves, and New York Knicks

https://hoopshype.com/2024/07/12/landry-shamet-drawing-interest-from-bucks-heat-timberwolves-knicks/

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Maybe I don't evaluate players very well, but this seems like an awful deal for the Pistons. 

It's an awesome deal for the Bucks, however. 

Make it happen.

And a bad fit for LAC(unless they deal their big man...in which case, just add Portis and bring back Zubac).

But Detroit really has no reason. 

[Joseph Zarr]

After the first Summer League game, I was pretty enthused by the performances of the young Bucks - AJ Johnson and Tyler Smith both flashed. Their Two-Way (Rollins) showed promise. 

After the first half of the second game, I never want to watch this team play again 😅. I can not believe the lazy rebound-less, turnover-prone, no hands, effortless basketball I just witnessed. I have seen a lot of bad Bucks SL basketball over the years - it's almost a given. BUT, this? This is the absolute worst I've ever seen. A-Jax looks unplayable. Marjon has regressed (if that's even possible at this point). TyTy is just not a good player. Galloway has absolutely zero business holding down an NBA two-way. This team, simply, is egregiously bad.

[patrickgpe]

I flipped on the game once I thought the brewers were safe. Saw they were down 40 and turned it right off. Bucks have not drafted well for about a decade and it shows in these games. This is why I wouldn’t have been upset if Horst went to Detroit and the fo started fresh 

[thebruce44]

On 7/10/2024 at 9:00 AM, reillymcshane said:

Gary Trent Jr. would be the perfect add for the Bucks. He's a legit starting caliber player - who goes right into the shooting guard spot.

But you figure someone will give him more than minimum. Right? Although a lot of teams that want him only have the minimum left to pay. But maybe the stars will align. 

Why Milwaukee? He knows Dame from his Portland days (whether than is helpful or not, I don't know). The Bucks would be able to sell him on having a starting gig on a very good team - allowing him to remake his value for a return to free agency in 2025. 

Not sure if that's enough to lure Trent Jr. to Milwaukee - but it would be pretty sweet.

Wow, good call.

[Joseph Zarr]

The SL Squad may be an absolute trainwreck but you absolutely can not complain one iota about the pool of Vet Minimum signings the Bucks just parlayed. My goodness. Trent Jr. on a Vet Min deal? He is 1-of-4 player to hit 500 3's while grabbing 300 steals or more over the past 3 season.

The other 3?

Haliburton, Ant Edwards, and VanVleet. 

[nate82]

Trent to the Bucks in a one year deal.

 

https://www.nba.com/news/bucks-gary-trent-jr-free-agency

[patrickgpe]

Didn’t think they had the cap room to get it done. Obviously going for one more run. Massive improvement over Beasley. 

[homer]

 bucks did a nice job filling out their roster

[wallus]

An upgrade over Beas

[nate82]

I am going to assume this means Beauchamp or Connaughton get traded or both now.

[BrewerFan]

8 hours ago, thebruce44 said:

Wow, good call.

Wow...really good off-season for the Bucks.

Now you hope Dame comes back in shape with a year playing with these guys under his belt, Giannis does...what Giannis does, Middleton, hopefully plays ~60 games, but can duplicate his post-season level of play...and I think this team has a chance. 

One year to see what we can do with a couple of nice defenders added and now a guy who's capable of giving you 20 on a given night, but also a younger...really solid SG. 

More length on defense and I really hope we get to see AJJ and Beauchamp on the court. Two guys who are very good defenders, Marjon plays hard and I think he's going to take off with another team(as in a ~10/5/3 player who defends and can make those corner threes). AJJ is the consummate glue guy. 

 

I don't know if the Bucks make a trade. They'll be able to get below that 2nd apron next year now and run it back and see how they can compete with hopefully a healthy roster. 3 really good veteran additions and then two draft picks who...in light of the FA signings, I feel much better about(though I'd have liked a big). 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, nate82 said:

I am going to assume this means Beauchamp or Connaughton get traded or both now.

I think we're better off, at this point, just keeping both and hoping Connaughton can get back to being a really key contributor off the bench. I don't know who really wants him at this point...he doesn't have much value, but he's another tough, physical glue guy type. And he can be traded next year or in-season.

And I hope they don't give up on Marjon. Trent is likely just a one-year 'solution.' 

[Joseph Zarr]

OK. I've watched all three Bucks SL games. Painful much of the time. BUT, some things could possibly be gleaned:

• A Jax hasn't really developed at all. He is the same uncontrolled spaz on the court he was last season. That is a problem for his future.
• Marjon simply isn't an NBA player. The sooner the Bucks realize this, the better.
• Jaylin Galloway has zero business occupying a 2-Way slot. They should open his spot up while they can. Just not an NBA Level prospect.
• Rollins on the other hand? I'd take him as a third PG developmental guy today. He's been one of the better players out there.
• Chris Livingston has made immense strides in one year. Happy he's a Buck and he should find some spot wing time this season if the stars align. He just does so many little things and with his size and fluidity there is real potential there.
• AJ Johnson just may be the best pure prospect the Bucks have had since drafting Giannis. I don't think this is hyperbole. He moves at a faster speed than pretty much anyone on the court. BUT, he can also stop on a dime. He has handles for days. I had no idea this was the level of potential we were getting. There is very very real upside here that, if the stars were to align...he may get PT much sooner than we anticipated.
• Tyler Smith is a package of tools but he needs to get stronger and keep grinding. I like the form. I like the smoothness. There is definitely something there but I'm unsure quite yet as to what it is. Is he more Charlie V? Or does he actually have some poor man's Bosh to his game? I can't quite tell as of yet.

[Joseph Zarr]

Yeah, swapping out Beasley, Pat Bev, and Crowder for Prince, Trent Jr., and Delon Wright all on minimums is just improving across the board. It's pretty amazing Horts did this all on Vet Minimums. They got younger and better across the board there. Heck Pat Bev is going to Tel Aviv. The League had seen enough of his antics, I guess. Very curious to see what happens with his Podcast now as Barstool re-upped. 

** I should add here, I am clearly a middle-aged man incapable of understanding Bev's tweet was likely a joke? Sad to see my humor fall to such low heights!**