NBA Draft

[jay87shot]

Any thoughts for 23 and 33?

Super interesting trade of Mikal Bridges to NYC. 

Also thought Portland got hosed in getting Deni Avidji.

[jay87shot]

I'd like a stretch big like Ware/Holems/Filipowski at 23 and a experienced PG or Shooter at 33  Trey Alexander/Tristan Newton/Kolek/ Colorado PG or Schierman/Cam Spencer

Zach Edey would be the only pick at 23 I would really hate (as of now at least).

[nate82]

LOL Memphis.  Really you are going to take Edey at 9?  That is going to be a huge bust of a pick.

[patrickgpe]

Ware was the center I liked, but he is gone. Holmes and Missi are the last 2. If they go wings; Tyson, Dunn, or Scheierman. As close as the rankings are I could see these 5 available at 23 and some at 33. 

[patrickgpe]

Missi and Tyson are gone. Maybe bucks should look at George or Collier. I didn’t think they would be around. If they take kolek I wouldn’t be upset. A lot of possibilities 

[patrickgpe]

Holmes is gone so I don’t see them taking a center, but a tons good wings are available 

[nate82]

Holmes is the one I wanted.  I guess Kolek as a backup PG wouldn't be the worst option. 

[nate82]

Sigh of course they do something dumb and draft a 2nd round pick in the first round.

[patrickgpe]

AJ Johnson is the pick. Not on anyone’s radar. Obviously him coming out of the crowd after getting picked reminds me of Giannis 

im sure they got the guy they wanted but I would be shocked if he wanted around at 33

[patrickgpe]

Most of the guys I liked are gone. kolek, Filipowski or kolek would be ok at 33. Maybe Bona as a wildcard. 

[Matt Breen]

Weird pick. On a team whose window is now, they need players who can contribute right away. 

Of course, perhaps the team feels none of the guys left could do so. Or they absolutely adore the guy and think he'll be a star. But in the short term, it's weird. This kid appears to be a pretty extreme developmental player. 

Kolek, Scheierman... a few others could have come in an had a role on this club. 

Oh well. It might be we have other stuff up our sleeves and this will all make sense.

Still weird.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Weird pick. On a team whose window is now, they need players who can contribute right away. 

Of course, perhaps the team feels none of the guys left could do so. Or they absolutely adore the guy and think he'll be a star. But in the short term, it's weird. This kid appears to be a pretty extreme developmental player. 

Kolek, Scheierman... a few others could have come in an had a role on this club. 

Oh well. It might be we have other stuff up our sleeves and this will all make sense.

Still weird.

I'd prefer taking a guy they believe has a ton of upside over an older player who will be the 8th guy off the bench, or even AJJ...because you know they won't play him in the playoffs anyway. 

MAYBE they got the guy who'll be a 25 PPG scorer when Giannis is 32 and the next star. Probably not, but this is the type of pick I wanted a few years ago. Primo from the Spurs was one kid I loved...though, SA did as well, which is why he went about 20 picks earlier than projected. 

Obviously...I didn't...project that he would be such a dirtbag, but that's not what I'm talking about. Just shooting for a big-time impact player. 

Primo was on LAC last I heard. I wonder if he's going to get another shot. He had massive talent, but he was young and had some issues. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Weird pick. On a team whose window is now, they need players who can contribute right away. 

Of course, perhaps the team feels none of the guys left could do so. Or they absolutely adore the guy and think he'll be a star. But in the short term, it's weird. This kid appears to be a pretty extreme developmental player. 

Kolek, Scheierman... a few others could have come in an had a role on this club. 

Oh well. It might be we have other stuff up our sleeves and this will all make sense.

Still weird.

I'd like a defensive big now. Oso would be interested. Good passer. 

Guessing he'll go before the Bucks pick, but...this looks...interesting;

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Filipowski’s case for being a lottery pick doesn’t get enough attention. There are legitimate questions about whether he shoots well enough to be a true stretch big. If he can’t, he profiles as something along the lines of “a more defensively capable Frank Kaminsky,” which is draftable, but not this high. You’re banking on Filipowski refining his perimeter game to the point that it weaponizes his superior ability to dribble and pass for his size.

Filipowski’s shot is going to take some work; He hit 31.4 percent from 3 and 71.8 percent from the line in his two seasons at Duke. Watching him before several of Duke’s games, he had trouble controlling the spin on his shot and preventing his guide hand from affecting his shot’s flight.

That matters, because he’s more of a combo big than a true five at both ends of the court. He doesn’t have the broad shoulders or superior length you’d expect from an interior presence on defense, and while he's a good passer on the block and can score against mismatches, he’s not going to physically overwhelm rival bigs.

Filipowski can have more success just playing in the flow of the game, making the right pass and getting to the rim on his own once he has an advantage. It’s easy to see how even a middling 3-point shot could be a force multiplier for those skills.

Defensively, Filipowski’s ability to defend on the perimeter could make him useful as the type of big four (think Al Horford, Maxi Kleber or Karl-Anthony Towns) who has low-key come back into vogue recently. His tape was eye-popping. He isn't just some "serviceable" switch big; he can embarrass smaller wings who try him one-on-one. A 2.5 percent career steal rate from a 7-footer is awesome, and the Dukies were very comfortable leaving him on an island against guards. In fact, you could build an entire five-minute YouTube montage of guards thinking they were going to cook Filipowski once they got a switch, only to find out in a relatively embarrassing way that they didn’t have any advantage.

 

 

[patrickgpe]

The bucks have been chasing the next Giannis since they drafted him, and tried again last night. Vaughn, Thon, Marjon, DJ Wilson were all one of the youngest / rawest in their classes and none of them worked out. I was hoping for someone that could contribute while the window is open. Also Doc doesn't necessarily have the best record of developing young talent so who knows who is going to do that for AJ. Having a high 2nd is nice if they use it right because there are players that can help in 2024-25, which will soften the blow for me. The issue is that if they hit on the 2nd rounder its a 2 year deal and then you have to play the restricted FA game., like they did for Brogdon. 

[nate82]

AJ would have been available in the 2nd round they could absolutely have traded out of this pick for a couple of extra 2nd's if they wanted to.  This is just a dumb decision.  AJ probably needs to play in the G league for at least one year and maybe two.  He has not jump shot and is even rawer than Giannis was when he was drafted.  AJ is not the athlete Giannis was when he was drafted.  This was just a dumb decision by the Bucks and I am not sure what they were even thinking here. 

[patrickgpe]

3 minutes ago, nate82 said:

AJ would have been available in the 2nd round they could absolutely have traded out of this pick for a couple of extra 2nd's if they wanted to.  This is just a dumb decision.  AJ probably needs to play in the G league for at least one year and maybe two.  He has not jump shot and is even rawer than Giannis was when he was drafted.  AJ is not the athlete Giannis was when he was drafted.  This was just a dumb decision by the Bucks and I am not sure what they were even thinking here. 

totally agree, could have gotten someone that can help in 24-25 at 23 and AJ at 33. 

[OldHeidelberg]

If he is a longer term project wouldn't you rather have the 1st round rights on him than get him at #33? I just read Kolek likely the first pick off the board in 2nd round so maybe not a lot of hope for Bucks there.

[patrickgpe]

8 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

If he is a longer term project wouldn't you rather have the 1st round rights on him than get him at #33? I just read Kolek likely the first pick off the board in 2nd round so maybe not a lot of hope for Bucks there.

that is the positive, you have the time to develop him and if the vets stay, whomever was the 1st wasn't playing anyway. 

[Matt Breen]

Wouldn't be shocked if we made a trade. Unload salary. 

[Matt Breen]

Tyler Smith. Still a bit of a project. Interesting.

[LouisEly]

57 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

Tyler Smith. Still a bit of a project. Interesting.

On this day 11 years ago they drafted a 6'9", 190lb 18-year-old project.

The following season the best player in the draft and another future MVP went #41 overall.  Bucks had #2 and #31.

[HarryDoyle]

It's official. Portland is the NBA's next dynasty!

[CheeseheadInQC]

I know everyone was shocked that the Bucks didn’t get a win-now piece, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t think anyone left at that spot that met that criteria.

[patrickgpe]

1 hour ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I know everyone was shocked that the Bucks didn’t get a win-now piece, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t think anyone left at that spot that met that criteria.

By all accounts it was a weak draft. Maybe taking two lottery tickets isn’t the worse idea

[Matt Breen]

1 hour ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

I know everyone was shocked that the Bucks didn’t get a win-now piece, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t think anyone left at that spot that met that criteria.

This is definitely a consideration. I mean there were a few guys, such Dunn, Scheierman, and Kolek, who looked like they could help the team right away. But the club might have thought otherwise - which is fair.