Brewers (Civale) vs Dodgers (Glasnow): 7/5/24, 9:10pm

[Bulldogboy]

Kudos to Freddy Freeman. The guy is an hof player if he quits today. I don't recall him ever not coming through in that spot. Ever.

[tonyei31]

Bullpen was rough tonight.  Fun game (even with loss).  I am still floored that when MLB has a chance to get 100%/near 100% efficiency in strike calls they refuse to use proven technology to get it right.  Doesn't impact the union either, no ump loses their job.  Human eye can't keep up with the speed/spin rates used today.  While the Brewers pen lost this game, this game is a perfect microcosm of the need of Robo Umps calling balls and strikes.  Long overdue from baseball.  

[BCF]

[BCF]

That green ball on the edge was the pitch to Freeman 

[Bulldogboy]

Peguero and Payamps are problematic and we Need Williams back yesterday. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, BCF said:

What makes it especially annoying is that that edge was huge all game and then we get squeezed in the biggest moment of the game

[willie key]

3 minutes ago, treego14 said:

Because payrolls are not even close to equal.

Then spend money or don’t.   But don’t cry about it.    It’s not like there is a rule that says it’s illegal for Milwaukee to spend money.    And if Milwaukee can’t make enough money for the brewers than deal with it.   That’s where they are located.   There are a lot of other rules that help the brewers compete also

[BCF]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

What makes it especially annoying is that that edge was huge all game and then we get squeezed in the biggest moment of the game

That’s because Freeman whined and went crazy a couple AB’s before that on a close pitch 

[BCF]

FYI Walsh is one of the worst rated umpires behind the plate this season. 
 

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2024/05/umpire-yankees-angels-brian-walsh-angel-hernandez

[Brian]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

What makes it especially annoying is that that edge was huge all game and then we get squeezed in the biggest moment of the game

I agree big markets usually get the calls. 

[wiguy94]

Contreras crappy framing probably needs to be a bigger discussion these days. Dude went from 93rd percentile last year in statcast framing to presently 5th percentile this year in statcast framing. Among 16 catchers with 800 innings last year Contreras was 2nd in fangraphs framing. This year among 23 catchers with 400 innings he's 5th worst.

[Jim French Stepstool]

Don't know what to think of Civale yet. There was the obvious negative of the HRs, but there were the 8 Ks as well. Of course after being given a 5-run inning giving two right back is unforgivable. Can't grab momentum & then get a shutdown inning, boys. No no no, not in this ballpark. Not allowed.

That HR off Hudson was an absolute joke. He'll make pitches in a worse spot than that, get outs & be lauded for it. Keeping that fair AND over the wall was ridiculous.

You can see that since rejoining the team Garrett Mitchell is really cognizant of not chasing pitches. That's good given his past but there's a fine line & he's over-crossed it a little. In his first AB Glasnow threw him a breaking ball, 84mph, right down the middle & he fouled it off towards the 3B dugout like it was 101. I don't think I've ever seen that before. A talent, but it looks like it's gonna be a process.

Felt bad for Milner. He made pitches more than good enough to get out of the inning, but of course it's Freeman standing up there. In that situation it's like he's John Freaking Wayne in a war movie & the Brewers are standing out there wearing Japanese uniforms. Good pitch, bad pitch, makes no difference. He's hitting the ball, and it's finding a hole. Of course Peguero put him in that spot. He's really the only reliever I had a problem with tonite. That's all I got, except Contreras' last AB was, from the neck up, garbage.

[Brian]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Contreras crappy framing probably needs to be a bigger discussion these days. Dude went from 93rd percentile last year in statcast framing to presently 5th percentile this year in statcast framing. Among 16 catchers with 800 innings last year Contreras was 2nd in fangraphs framing. This year among 23 catchers with 400 innings he's 5th worst.

He hasn't been himself the past few months that's for sure.

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Don't know what to think of Civale yet. There was the obvious negative of the HRs, but there were the 8 Ks as well. Of course after being given a 5-run inning giving two right back is unforgivable. Can't grab momentum & then get a shutdown inning, boys. No no no, not in this ballpark. Not allowed.

That HR off Hudson was an absolute joke. He'll make pitches in a worse spot than that, get outs & be lauded for it. Keeping that fair AND over the wall was ridiculous.

You can see that since rejoining the team Garrett Mitchell is really cognizant of not chasing pitches. That's good given his past but there's a fine line & he's over-crossed it a little. In his first AB Glasnow threw him a breaking ball, 84mph, right down the middle & he fouled it off towards the 3B dugout like it was 101. I don't think I've ever seen that before. A talent, but it looks like it's gonna be a process.

Felt bad for Milner. He made pitches more than good enough to get out of the inning, but of course it's Freeman standing up there. In that situation it's like he's John Freaking Wayne in a war movie & the Brewers are standing out there wearing Japanese uniforms. Good pitch, bad pitch, makes no difference. He's hitting the ball, and it's finding a hole. Of course Peguero put him in that spot. He's really the only reliever I had a problem with tonite. That's all I got, except Contreras' last AB was, from the neck up, garbage.

Contreras went hero mode in that AB. Up 2-1 and he proceeded to chase two sliders below the zone on the outer third...just brutal. Making matters worse is that even if those were FB they were still in a location where Contreras does virtually no damage. Contreras hot zones are up and away and down and in. He's really bad low and away and up and in.

[Brian]

12 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Peguero put him in that spot. He's really the only reliever I had a problem with tonite. That's all I got, except Contreras' last AB was, from the neck up, garbage.

Peguerro gave up 5 runs in the last 7 innings he pitched. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

37 minutes ago, Brian said:

Peguaro lost the game for us IMHO.

Of all the relievers, yeah it's mostly on him. Looking at the top three in their order, you only need to get one of them out if you can retire the #9 hitter. Instead he treats him like he's Barry Bonds w/1B open in a tie game. Payamps was fine. I thought he should've started the 8th & let Hudson start with L-R-L but it didn't really make a difference. 

Milner, I commented about him earlier. It just seemed like the script was written against him before he ever took the mound.

[Jim French Stepstool]

53 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Kudos to Freddy Freeman. The guy is an hof player if he quits today. I don't recall him ever not coming through in that spot. Ever.

He is, for sure. But.....and I don't b**** much about umpires, but.....he made a wise move going to one of those teams where, in a clutch situation, your opponent has to be absolutely perfect to beat you. Milner had him struck out, and w/o a good frame from Contreras it still could've been called. Maybe SHOULD'VE, given the strike zone before we got to the "Sportscenter highlight" part of the game, where the zone predictably shrinks if you're the "right" hitter. Of course, us chasing bad balls much more than they did makes it more frustrating.

Definitely HOF level. Doesn't need the help.

[wiguy94]

38 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

He is, for sure. But.....and I don't b**** much about umpires, but.....he made a wise move going to one of those teams where, in a clutch situation, your opponent has to be absolutely perfect to beat you. Milner had him struck out, and w/o a good frame from Contreras it still could've been called. Maybe SHOULD'VE, given the strike zone before we got to the "Sportscenter highlight" part of the game, where the zone predictably shrinks if you're the "right" hitter. Of course, us chasing bad balls much more than they did makes it more frustrating.

Definitely HOF level. Doesn't need the help.

Freddie got the benefit of a beneficial ump call and Contreras calling 7 straight outside pitches. It wasn’t even a bad pitch, I’d argue a good pitch that Freddie hit, but when you give him 7 straight away then he’s eventually going to make you pay. I get why they might not have wanted to go FB up and in because Freddie crowds the plate and a HBP is a run, but man I just feel like you have to try it. 

[yourout]

7 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Of all the relievers, yeah it's mostly on him. Looking at the top three in their order, you only need to get one of them out if you can retire the #9 hitter. Instead he treats him like he's Barry Bonds w/1B open in a tie game. Payamps was fine. I thought he should've started the 8th & let Hudson start with L-R-L but it didn't really make a difference. 

Milner, I commented about him earlier. It just seemed like the script was written against him before he ever took the mound.

It was somewhat of a group effort. You give up eight runs You're going to lose 98% of the time.

[brewers888]

The consistently short outings by the starters is catching up to this bullpen. Its not sustainable to get through 162 games with the bullpen having to cover a minimum of 4 innings nearly every night. Either the starters improve and pitch more innings or the bullpen is likely to struggle more and more.

[brewers888]

Civale is just more of the same for this rotation. He's another starter that has average stuff at best and will be lucky to give us 5 innings or so per start. 

[BruisedCrew]

I went to bed when the Dodgers tied the game in the seventh so I didn’t have to deal with whatever anger I might have had over a pitch on the very edge of the strike zone being called a ball even though several pitches wider than that had been called strikes. 

But I think focusing too much on that just pulls attention from the two much bigger issues that produced that loss. The bullpen wearing down, as mentioned by the previous poster, is one. The other is that the offense, continuing its recent struggles, got four hits all night, two of them on the infield, and the only one after Hoskins HR was promptly erased by a pickoff. 

Once the Dodgers tied the game there seemed to be little reason to think the Brewers were going to be able to both score at least one run and hold the Dodgers for at least two innings. They hadn’t even had a scoring chance since the GS.

Maybe the umpire not calling that strike saved the Brewers from using up more of their bullpen in what might have been a lost cause. The Brewers offense never put itself into a position where one questionable call would have helped them. 

[sveumrules]

24 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

The consistently short outings by the starters is catching up to this bullpen.

Brewers bullpen…

First 30 Games
91 ERA- | 102 FIP- | +2.79 WPA

Next 30 Games
80 ERA- | 93 FIP- | +2.51 WPA

Last 29 Games
69 ERA- | 104 FIP- | +2.70 WPA

Run prevention has gotten better as the year went on, peripherals have bounced around, Win Probability has held steady.

No real objective evidence that the workload is catching up with the bullpen yet.

[Jopal78]

10 hours ago, tonyei31 said:

Bullpen was rough tonight.  Fun game (even with loss).  I am still floored that when MLB has a chance to get 100%/near 100% efficiency in strike calls they refuse to use proven technology to get it right.  Doesn't impact the union either, no ump loses their job.  Human eye can't keep up with the speed/spin rates used today.  While the Brewers pen lost this game, this game is a perfect microcosm of the need of Robo Umps calling balls and strikes.  Long overdue from baseball.  

Where are the stats and graphics showing how many calls were blown in the Brewers’ favor this year?  Over the course of 162 games it’s going to be even: you get some calls that help the team  and you get some calls that hurt the team. 

As long as the strike zone is called basically the same for both teams, who cares if there is a pitch missed. They had already set themselves up for failure  by putting runners on with walks. 

[Stealofhome]

49 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Where are the stats and graphics showing how many calls were blown in the Brewers’ favor this year?  Over the course of 162 games it’s going to be even: you get some calls that help the team  and you get some calls that hurt the team. 

As long as the strike zone is called basically the same for both teams, who cares if there is a pitch missed. They had already set themselves up for failure  by putting runners on with walks. 

Umpscorecards keeps track of this and according to them, the Brewers have lost 8 runs of favor this year, third worst in MLB, might also be hurt by Contreras' poor framing this year.