Packers 2024 Season Thread

[homer]

Training camp has begun. The off-season is over. Get Love signed and win a title.

[SeaBass]

Really hoping it gets done this weekend if not today. Taking this into next week just dials up the pressure (and fan angst).

In the meantime, for those that may not follow Tom Grossi on YouTube.

 

[Joseph Zarr]

It appears imminent. Extremely extremely close to being done.

[Samurai Bucky]

Tua gets $212.4M.  How much does Love get?

 

[homer]

If I had to guess, I'd say Love's agents and Tua's agents were in cahoots. Love deal in 3, 2, 1...

[BrewerFan]

48 minutes ago, homer said:

If I had to guess, I'd say Love's agents and Tua's agents were in cahoots. Love deal in 3, 2, 1...

Well...being as they're the same person, that's very likely. 

And it's Rodgers's agent. The "Scott Boras" of the NFL. The guy gets every penny for his client. Which is a lot easier to stomach with the franchise tag, the transition tag, rookie scale, and a salary cap, but he still doesn't have players signing team-friendly deals. 

 

The thing I don't love here is the 4-year extension. I don't know if this starts this year and the last year or if it's an extension. If Love comes in at 4/220, I hope it's an extension. Doubt it will be, but it'd be nice. I'd guess we want 5 years. 

[homer]

11 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Well...being as they're the same person, that's very likely. 

LOL. I didn't know that

[BrewerFan]

Just now, homer said:

LOL. I didn't know that

LOL...I didn't either until I was listening to McAfee a while back and he was talking about how tough of a negotiation it'd be...and then I looked up his agency.We really should look for a QB from Brady's old agency.

[wildcat83]

Reported signed for 4 and 220

[adambr2]

Sure hope that's an extension of his existing year remaining and not a replacement of it. 

[wildcat83]

This was my main criticism of the pick, by the time he plays he’s expensive.  You completely lose the window to win with a cheap QB on a rookie deal.  

[adambr2]

9 minutes ago, wildcat83 said:

This was my main criticism of the pick, by the time he plays he’s expensive.  You completely lose the window to win with a cheap QB on a rookie deal.  

Yep, mine too. Here's a way I look at it that has helped me feel better about that process:

The Packers organization has a QB school, a system that they believe in, which has proven to be successful, where they believe they can turn the right QB, the right fit, into a franchise QB. But they can't do it overnight, it takes time, development, sometimes years. 

So rather than hoping to just get lucky with one of the rare rookie QBs who can have success right out of the gate (it's really hard to find those guys when you're usually picking in the 20s), they're willing to build around those development guys, trusting their process. They're willing to sacrifice those rookie QB contracts as long as they get the right guy because they know that having the right guy at that position, even at market value, is more important than anything in this league to having consistent success.

 

[homer]

I think the cheap QB thing is kind of overblown.

[homer]

 

 

 

[BrewerFan]

 

32 minutes ago, homer said:

I think the cheap QB thing is kind of overblown.

Yeah. It's nice. Look at what SF can do despite having really blown a lot of draft capital...but pretty much guaranteed you'll be competitive every year with a QB like Love. 

We didn't fail to win another Super Bowl with Rodgers because of his contract. We failed because we the drafting went down hill, we were conservative and we just choked away big games. 

But at least we were in them.

[SeaBass]

44 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

 

Yeah. It's nice. Look at what SF can do despite having really blown a lot of draft capital...but pretty much guaranteed you'll be competitive every year with a QB like Love. 

We didn't fail to win another Super Bowl with Rodgers because of his contract. We failed because we the drafting went down hill, we were conservative and we just choked away big games. 

But at least we were in them.

And Brandon Bostick. May he forever live in infamy.

You know, instead of the cheap QB method the Packers are pretty much going with the cheap offense other than QB and that works too. Hopefully. There really aren't many, if any, expensive contracts on the offense. Even Jacobs' deal isn't that bad.

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, SeaBass said:

And Brandon Bostick. May he forever live in infamy.

You know, instead of the cheap QB method the Packers are pretty much going with the cheap offense other than QB and that works too. Hopefully. There really aren't many, if any, expensive contracts on the offense. Even Jacobs' deal isn't that bad.

Bostic...I'm trying to not be too hard on him. If Peppers doesn't tell Burnett to go down, it's probably a pick 6 and game. Just WIDE open! But that one, the injury plagued year, the Bakh injury that cost TWO years. 2011 when we were flat. So many times. But Thompson never would have added McKinney this year or done so many things Gute will!

 

That'll change. I'd hope they sign Tom...and perhaps it'll be cheap enough. I'd guess 4/80 after this year. But we'll try and improve our team using ALL means in the next 10-15 years. and 

Myers walks. If Watson has a big year, they may be able to get him on a discount...or a trade.

The key is being able to put together good drafts, one after another. I think this year's draft class was the worst in terms of positional value(that happens when you are competitive and close to winning), but the prior couple were huge. Kraft, Musgrave, Wicks, Reed, Doubs, Walker, Tom, Stokes, Wyatt, Brooks, Wooden, so many players at important positions...

The upshot is, while they will invariably have to let some of these guys go when they hit free agency, or maybe tag and trade(again, Watson if you don't extend him) you can turn them into picks. Take a little of the Brewers strategy and mix it in with equal financial footing and...then it just comes down to player development. 

In 10 years, I hope we're debating which draft class was the best and it's not just '22 or '23(or '20 due to Love). Thompson's classes really started to slip and then they had to rebuild on the fly(which Gute did beautifully). 

Just 5-7 years of continuity, I think we get at least a 5th Lombardi...

 

Just keep replenishing the young talent, and identifying the right players to re-sign and you'll be good.

 

[MrTPlush]

16 hours ago, homer said:

I think the cheap QB thing is kind of overblown.

Who was even the last QB to win a Super Bowl on a rookie deal? Russell Wilson? 
 

Since 2000 there are maybe like 3 occurrences?

[OldHeidelberg]

MLF said they still plan to look at Morgan at LT but the fact that he has been lining up at RG all camp so far says a lot. I saw somewhere Mike Wahle said Jordan doesn’t appear ready for LT yet. Probably best for now, RG is where we lost a player and the less reshuffling the better.

[Joseph Zarr]

Gotta love the early reports coming in from King's play. 

 

[BrewerFan]

On 7/27/2024 at 2:49 PM, MrTPlush said:

Who was even the last QB to win a Super Bowl on a rookie deal? Russell Wilson? 
 

Since 2000 there are maybe like 3 occurrences?

Well...you're missing the real obvious one with the latest. That was Mahomes.

I guess Warner would have been on a rookie deal(that's getting a little cute as it was either 2000 season, 01 Super Bowl or 2000 SB and '99 season.

Between Mahomes and Warner, Brady(they had the 2nd ever 100M QB on that team though) and Big Ben, then Wilson.

But no, the throughline is the great QB play and the defense.

It's definitely overrated. It helps when a team squanders a bunch of picks like the 49ers have and they can afford to pay guys or when a QB takes a team friendly deal(which I honestly think Love's deal is team friendly, doesn't get up to over 42M until the 4th year...something like 20, 27, 36 and then 42.

That's not stopping them from winning. Not if Love is 90% of the QB he was the last 10 games. And as I've said, I do not believe you can fluke your way into a 10 game stretch like that. 

 

It will mean Gute has to continue to have drafts more like '22 and '23 rather than '24. I loved the '24 draft, but getting players are marquee positions, impact players at the most expensive spots is going to be the key. Safeties, Off-Ball, C, RB...great job filling our needs, but the two prior drafts were the ones who put us in a position to be competitive. 

[BrewerFan]

20 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

MLF said they still plan to look at Morgan at LT but the fact that he has been lining up at RG all camp so far says a lot. I saw somewhere Mike Wahle said Jordan doesn’t appear ready for LT yet. Probably best for now, RG is where we lost a player and the less reshuffling the better.

In fairness, I think a lot of that is Wahle kinda projecting. He's the first to admit that he was not at all NFL ready and his pass pro was terrible, so he pretty consistently says pretty much every OL is not NFL ready. It was Tom and Walker last year(when talking about what if Bakh can't play). 

But they picked a LT in the first Rd, a versatile athlete. If he's not playing LT, that's telling me the 3rd year LT we have is playing well as much as it's telling me he's adapting to RG well. 

If Walker can take that next incremental step from solid starter to really good starter, our whole OL is going to take a jump. I hope Myers can make a big jump as well. 

[CheezWizHed]

Nice to see a few others of you jump on the "rookie contract QB" being overrated bandwagon. 😂

I think the idea is attractive because it makes sense logically (great QB on the cheap) and spend $$ elsewhere.  But in practice it rarely plays out that way.  Most the time, the QB needs time to develop and grow in the position to be good enough to win a SB. 

And ironically, 3 of the 5 QBs listed (Brady, Warner, Wilson) weren't high draft picks (6th, UDFA - cut multiple times, and 3rd).  

The better indicator of winning a SB is simply having a top QB - one capable of putting up HOF numbers.  If that means it takes a few years to develop him to get there... then so be it. We (probably) have our third in a row. 

[MrTPlush]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Well...you're missing the real obvious one with the latest. That was Mahomes.

I guess Warner would have been on a rookie deal(that's getting a little cute as it was either 2000 season, 01 Super Bowl or 2000 SB and '99 season.

Between Mahomes and Warner, Brady(they had the 2nd ever 100M QB on that team though) and Big Ben, then Wilson.

But no, the throughline is the great QB play and the defense.

It's definitely overrated. It helps when a team squanders a bunch of picks like the 49ers have and they can afford to pay guys or when a QB takes a team friendly deal(which I honestly think Love's deal is team friendly, doesn't get up to over 42M until the 4th year...something like 20, 27, 36 and then 42.

That's not stopping them from winning. Not if Love is 90% of the QB he was the last 10 games. And as I've said, I do not believe you can fluke your way into a 10 game stretch like that. 

 

It will mean Gute has to continue to have drafts more like '22 and '23 rather than '24. I loved the '24 draft, but getting players are marquee positions, impact players at the most expensive spots is going to be the key. Safeties, Off-Ball, C, RB...great job filling our needs, but the two prior drafts were the ones who put us in a position to be competitive. 

Ahh, yes....Mahomes. I kind of figured Brady might have done it, but he is such an outcast he shouldn't be an example for anything. Even with Mahomes, they have won after that so that really isn't a good example of needing to win on the rookie deal.

The NFL is so QB focused these days it would be hard to have a good QB prospect even fall into a situation where they would have a good enough team around them even if they managed to come out of the gate pro bowl level. Most teams that are a QB away chase the Kirk Cousin's of the world. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

On 7/26/2024 at 8:44 PM, wildcat83 said:

This was my main criticism of the pick, by the time he plays he’s expensive.  You completely lose the window to win with a cheap QB on a rookie deal.  

With the exception of Mahomes, any qb is expensive by the time his team has a window to contend - you maybe get 1 season of a qb breakout and then there's already talk about having to extend him.  The 49ers also have zero super bowl titles during this stretch with all those cheap qbs, along with several veteran holdouts looking for more money and the decision on whether to give a Mr irrelevant over a $200m deal soon knowing that likely blows up their roster as early as next season despite an increasing salary cap.

 

The Packers have managed the transition from on HOF qb to the next mainstay much more effectively than what they did between Favre and Rodgers - frankly any thoughts of them doing it better from either a PR or on the field standpoint is 20/20 hindsight that probably can't be proven true since it never would unfold the same way it actually did.