Marlins (Tyler) vs Brewers (Myers): 7/28/24, 1:10pm

[nate82]

10 minutes ago, yourout said:

For some strange reason. 

When you have a large enough lead you can do that.  I probably wouldn't have pinch hit for Mitchell there but I get what they are trying to do.  Sanchez is an important piece to them off the bench.  He was the only power off the bench today and probably will be going forward.  So they need to get him AB's when they can.

[edfunderburk]

5 minutes ago, nate82 said:

When you have a large enough lead you can do that.  I probably wouldn't have pinch hit for Mitchell there but I get what they are trying to do.  Sanchez is an important piece to them off the bench.  He was the only power off the bench today and probably will be going forward.  So they need to get him AB's when they can.

I don’t often understand Murphy’s in game decisions - pinch hitters, pitching changes, & aggressive base running to an extreme. 

I think he would make a great college baseball coach. I think he is a mediocre MLB manager. He excels at motivation & connection with his players. He struggles with his game management decisions. Hopefully that improves in the next few seasons. 

[Bulldogboy]

42 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I don’t often understand Murphy’s in game decisions - pinch hitters, pitching changes, & aggressive base running to an extreme. 

I think he would make a great college baseball coach. I think he is a mediocre MLB manager. He excels at motivation & connection with his players. He struggles with his game management decisions. Hopefully that improves in the next few seasons. 

I'm hoping he was a bridge to Weeks next season. 

[willie key]

I saw the schedule coming up.   Oh boy.   Brewers are going to have to start playing better or this lead will evaporate quick

 

they are playing like crap since all star break but are still 5-3 so they’ve survived so far.  

[Brian]

5 hours ago, TURBO said:

Turang MUST lead-off. 

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Good call TURBO, Turang 2-4 and was player of the game with great D. 

The knuckleheads that were posting when the lineup first came out calling for Murphy's head because Turang was leading off have to be using the Cubs game plan. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Looking at about a dozen games today and the Braves, Cubs  and White Sox are the only teams that had a lead-off hitter with an OPS under .700,  The VAST majority of those were well above .700.

Are the guys leading off, in that spot because their OPS is .700 or better? Or because they're best suited to the leadoff spot compared to the rest of the roster?

Turangs' OPS, after today, is .698. If it raises two more points it won't make him any more suited to the leadoff spot. Or any less, for that matter.

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

I don’t often understand Murphy’s in game decisions - pinch hitters, pitching changes, & aggressive base running to an extreme. 

I think he would make a great college baseball coach. I think he is a mediocre MLB manager. He excels at motivation & connection with his players. He struggles with his game management decisions. Hopefully that improves in the next few seasons. 

I don't agree with all his moves but I see the logic behind most of them. I don't know if you're referring to Mitchell getting thrown out, but I definitely think you run there. I WAS questioning Junis not getting a 3rd inning, unless that makes the difference between him being available on Wednesday.

Some of the running on 1st & 3rd situations are IMO too aggressive, although that usually comes down to who's at the plate.

I agree with @nate82 about the Sanchez AB. I also would've let Mitchell hit, but I get it. Not all, but many of these decisions in-game aren't slam dunks. They're 60%-40%, 55%-45%, and hunches that are based on stuff we couldn't possibly know about.

[Brian]

OPS stands for "on-base plus slugging." The slugging 1/2 of the equation is to drive in runs and Turang does not have the power to do that. JMHO. 

[nate82]

1 hour ago, edfunderburk said:

I don’t often understand Murphy’s in game decisions - pinch hitters, pitching changes, & aggressive base running to an extreme. 

I think he would make a great college baseball coach. I think he is a mediocre MLB manager. He excels at motivation & connection with his players. He struggles with his game management decisions. Hopefully that improves in the next few seasons. 

The Brewers have the second best base running in all of MLB.  I am not sure there is much to improve on there.  It feels like you are just upset that there are outs on the base paths without even looking at anything and calling it too aggressive.  I believe they are not aggressive enough on the base paths and need to be taking more risk. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

11 minutes ago, Brian said:

OPS stands for "on-base plus slugging." The slugging 1/2 of the equation is to drive in runs and Turang does not have the power to do that. JMHO. 

I'll be honest. When I first heard of the OPS stat many years ago and found out what it meant, I laughed. When critiquing a player as a hitter, I might want to look at his OBP. I might want to look at his slugging %. I'm probably in the minority but I think combining those two numbers into a 3rd is silly. I think it glosses over way too much detail. Two players can both have an .800 OPS, but be drastically different as to how they arrived at it. It's never been an important stat to me. 

To each their own, I guess.

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 hours ago, endaround said:

We have a plethora of real outfielders and somehow we are running Bauers out in left?

That was a function of getting a guy that's been putting up some pretty good ABs lately (Bauers) and someone who is showing signs of seeing the ball better (Hoskins) both in the lineup while still being able to DH Contreras. Worked out well.

The obvious drawback is Bauers in LF, but IMO he's been serviceable when out there.

[sveumrules]

Bauers positional splits are insane this year…

as OF (28 PAs)
364/500/591 (208 wRC+)
[doesn’t include today’s 2 for 3 with triple, HR and walk]

as PH (21 PAs)
286/524/489 (184 wRC+)

as 1B (177 PAs)
195/277/352 (77 wRC+)

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, yourout said:

Really don't like Ortiz samurai setup.

Way too much movement to get the bat to the proper launch point.

The barrel of a bat has to move an awful long distance and get settled as your stepping and doing that you're inducing a lot of angular momentum

Not Wiemer-bad, but too much movement right now, causing him to make up his mind waaay too soon. Look at (I think it was) his last at-bat. He battled, but chased at least three pitches I all but guarantee he would've taken for balls in May.

[yourout]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

Good call TURBO, Turang 2-4 and was player of the game with great D. 

The knuckleheads that were posting when the lineup first came out calling for Murphy's head because Turang was leading off have to be using the Cubs game plan. 

Well today was only the second time this month he's had two hits in a game.

[yourout]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Not Wiemer-bad, but too much movement right now, causing him to make up his mind waaay too soon. Look at (I think it was) his last at-bat. He battled, but chased at least three pitches I all but guarantee he would've taken for balls in May.

I just hate wasted movement. That's why I like Freddy Freeman. Very little wasted movement in his hitting

[yourout]

6 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Bauers positional splits are insane this year…

as OF (28 PAs)
364/500/591 (208 wRC+)
[doesn’t include today’s 2 for 3 with triple, HR and walk]

as PH (21 PAs)
286/524/489 (184 wRC+)

as 1B (177 PAs)
195/277/352 (77 wRC+)

That's insane alright. Granted the sample sizes are quite a bit smaller for outfield and pinch hit.

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Bauers positional splits are insane this year…

as OF (28 PAs)
364/500/591 (208 wRC+)
[doesn’t include today’s 2 for 3 with triple, HR and walk]

as PH (21 PAs)
286/524/489 (184 wRC+)

as 1B (177 PAs)
195/277/352 (77 wRC+)

Damn..........😲.

That means he's been an OF for........seven, eight games? didn't think it was that many.

[yourout]

Thinking about Freeman.

Is he 1st ballot HOF?

.300 career average. 900 OPS.

[Brewcrew82]

12 minutes ago, yourout said:

Thinking about Freeman.

Is he 1st ballot HOF?

.300 career average. 900 OPS.

For sure. Crazy how he's been better in his 30s than he was in his 20s. 

[82brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Are the guys leading off, in that spot because their OPS is .700 or better? Or because they're best suited to the leadoff spot compared to the rest of the roster?

Turangs' OPS, after today, is .698. If it raises two more points it won't make him any more suited to the leadoff spot. Or any less, for that matter.

Ohtani, Schwaber, Duval and others among them.  Not exactly traditional lead-off options.  I'd say that their OPS is indicative of their ability to produce and thus worthy of more at bats.  Obviously .700 is an arbitrary number but the fact that most teams deploy a lead-off hitter with a number significantly higher than that and that Turang was one of the lowest on the list is contrary to the argument that he is "suited" to lead-off.

[LouisEly]

12 minutes ago, yourout said:

Thinking about Freeman.

Is he 1st ballot HOF?

.300 career average. 900 OPS.

Career 60 WAR (so far) at a position where it's more difficult to get WAR.  Yep.

[torts]

Is weimer the new keston on here?  Asking for a friend

[sveumrules]

10 minutes ago, yourout said:

Thinking about Freeman.

Is he 1st ballot HOF?

.300 career average. 900 OPS.

He’s a little short of the standard currently, but a couple two tree more good years should put him over the top…

Freeman
59.9 WAR | 39.7 peak WAR7 | 49.6 JAWS

Helton
61.8 WAR | 46.6 peak WAR7 | 54.2 JAWS

avg HOF 1B
64.8 WAR | 42.0 peak WAR7 | 53.4 JAWS

A lot of people don’t consider Votto 1st ballot material and he’s at 64.5 WAR | 46.9 peak WAR7 | 55.7 JAWS.

[82brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, Brian said:

Good call TURBO, Turang 2-4 and was player of the game with great D. 

The knuckleheads that were posting when the lineup first came out calling for Murphy's head because Turang was leading off have to be using the Cubs game plan. 

6 for 56 coming into this game but yeah, this one game makes the difference.

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, nate82 said:

The Brewers have the second best base running in all of MLB.  I am not sure there is much to improve on there.  It feels like you are just upset that there are outs on the base paths without even looking at anything and calling it too aggressive.  I believe they are not aggressive enough on the base paths and need to be taking more risk. 

Good feedback - I wasn’t aware - helpful facts to hear