Marcus Semien and his contract

[Scooterfletcher]

With the Rangers looking to get out of the luxury tax, what would they give us in addition to taking on Marcus Semien and his 4/104 million owed to him?   If we can get Wily Adames expected production along with a good arm or two, this might be a way to add power to our infield while adding a good pitcher and top prospect as well.  

[Brewcrew82]

18 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

With the Rangers looking to get out of the luxury tax, what would they give us in addition to taking on Marcus Semien and his 4/104 million owed to him?   If we can get Wily Adames expected production along with a good arm or two, this might be a way to add power to our infield while adding a good pitcher and top prospect as well.  

I think that's too big of a contract for this small market team given the TV revenue uncertainty. 

Also, dude is 34 years old and we'd be getting his declining years. 

Rangers would have to eat a good chunk of that contract, which effectively defeats the purpose of putting him on the market in the first place.

[Scooterfletcher]

Oh it would no doubt be our splash off season move.   But when you step back and look at it, it “could” make sense.   We need an infielder with power to replace Adames.   Semien is coming off a 4.0 war season and has power.  
 

I believe we can make the salary work where they wouldn’t have to eat it but it would cost them  prospect capital that may be doable for them.   Here is my proposal:

 

Semien, Leiter, Foscue for Milner, Bryce Wilson, Bauer.

Rangers save money galore and get two pretty solid bullpen arms and a bench bat/platoon guy.   
 

Brewers solve their infield equation with a middle of the order bat and get a high end pitching prospect (Leiter) and a versatile chess piece for Murphy to utilize (Foscue)

 

[wiguy94]

Here you go: https://brewerfanatic.com/forums/forum/6-transaction-rumors-proposals/

[tmwiese55]

At his age I think you'd just be better off giving Adames the extra 1-2 years of extra cost over him instead.  Not that I'd want to do either. 

Sure if they kick in money and prospects you have to listen.  But if they're kicking in money it defeats the point. Plus, I really can't see TX punting on trying to win just a year after the WS while also having Seager and Degrom, etc. paid and trying to win with them

[Scooterfletcher]

FWIW, I asked Evan Grant the DMN rangers reporter about my proposed deal and he thinks it’s the brewers that wouldn’t do my Semien/Leiter/Foscue for Milner/B Wilson/Bauers proposal.  
 

sorry I meant to put this is the trade board.

[jay87shot]

The Rangers have lots of money coming of the books and were only like 13 million over the salary threshold. I can't see them making any huge moves. I could see someone like Nate Lowe or Adolis Garcia being traded but the Rangers will likely have like 80 million or more to fill a couple rotation spots and half of the bullpen.

[Redd Vencher]

If Milwaukee wanted Leiter and Foscue, they'd nab them in a Williams trade instead of taking on $98 M in salary for a 34 year old. In the Williams trade scenario, Texas gets something that makes sense for them.

[wallus]

1 year contract? Sure. 4 years? Hell no

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Oh it would no doubt be our splash off season move.   But when you step back and look at it, it “could” make sense.   We need an infielder with power to replace Adames.   Semien is coming off a 4.0 war season and has power.  
 

I believe we can make the salary work where they wouldn’t have to eat it but it would cost them  prospect capital that may be doable for them.   Here is my proposal:

 

Semien, Leiter, Foscue for Milner, Bryce Wilson, Bauer.

Rangers save money galore and get two pretty solid bullpen arms and a bench bat/platoon guy.   
 

Brewers solve their infield equation with a middle of the order bat and get a high end pitching prospect (Leiter) and a versatile chess piece for Murphy to utilize (Foscue)

 

I don't know what the point of the trade is for the Rangers if you're adding two prospects? You trade a guy who's averaged 6 WAR since Covid...you give up two good or really good prospects and you get back 3 guys the Brewers may DFA? 

If someone said the Brewers wouldn't do this, it'd be because taking on 4/104 for a 34 year old isn't really how they operate, but I have a feeling another team would be willing to just take the contract without the prospects. 

 

If that deal was out there though...sure, I'd try and get it done. He's an elite defender still, hits for power, still runs well. 

[Scooterfletcher]

Me to Evan Grant:  “Evan, I’m a brewer fan wondering if there is a world where Texas would trade Semien and his full contract along with Leiter and Foscue for two solid bullpen arms (Hoby Milner and Bryce Wilson) and a platoon bat Jake Bauers.   Potentially close?”

 

Evan’s response:  “I don't think the Brewers would go for that. That's a lot of salary to take on.”

[Devinep]

 Not for Semien, but the Rangers do makes sense as trade partners, possibly for Devin Williams.

Josh Smith as a 3B option with Jung there. Maybe Justin Foscue. And Maybe Nate Lowe if the team legitimately feels Yelich can play a lot of LF and Hoskins can DH

[nate82]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

don't know what the point of the trade is for the Rangers if you're adding two prospects? You trade a guy who's averaged 6 WAR since Covid...you give up two good or really good prospects and you get back 3 guys the Brewers may DFA? 

There really is only one good prospect being traded and that is Foscue and Leiter shouldn't be considered a good prospect anymore.  He is looking more and more like a AAAA pitcher than anything else right now.  He may have to become a reliever where he loses a lot of value as I am not sure you could count on him being consistent enough to be a late inning reliever.  He still has some time left but he shouldn't be considered a good or a really good prospect anymore.

The Brewers side is extremely short on value even with Semien's contract.  I think the Rangers would rather pay some of Semien's contract than throw in prospects.  It is a moot point anyways as I don't believe the Brewers would take on much of Semien's contract anyways.  It is just way too much to take on for a 30+ 2B even if he would average 4-5 WAR a year over the span of his remaining contract.  It would be better to just sign Adames as he should get about the same per year as what Semien would be making though for about 2-3 years more. 

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, nate82 said:

There really is only one good prospect being traded and that is Foscue and Leiter shouldn't be considered a good prospect anymore.  He is looking more and more like a AAAA pitcher than anything else right now.  He may have to become a reliever where he loses a lot of value as I am not sure you could count on him being consistent enough to be a late inning reliever.  He still has some time left but he shouldn't be considered a good or a really good prospect anymore.

I still think Lieter, 24, is a pretty damn good prospect. He's got some mechanical issues and I've no doubt the Brewers could get the most out of him.

He's spent part of one year in, 9 games in the Major Leagues. 

 

2 hours ago, nate82 said:

The Brewers side is extremely short on value even with Semien's contract.  I think the Rangers would rather pay some of Semien's contract than throw in prospects.  It is a moot point anyways as I don't believe the Brewers would take on much of Semien's contract anyways.  It is just way too much to take on for a 30+ 2B even if he would average 4-5 WAR a year over the span of his remaining contract.  It would be better to just sign Adames as he should get about the same per year as what Semien would be making though for about 2-3 years more. 

I agree it's a moot point, but he's a power-hitting 2B who still plays elite defense and...again, 24+ WAR the last 4 years. He's pretty damn good and a 4-year deal is not bad. 

I don't think the Brewers would do it, but...I'm skeptical other teams would need to jump through hoops in order to just take on Semien's contract. 

26M a year is too much for the Brewers, but the Phillies, Giants, Yankees(Who could REALLY use some IF defense and power).

And as much as I love Willy, if, there were a scenario in which we were committing 26M to a player, I'd rather it be 4 years of Semien rather than 7 years of Adames. 

[bigred]

On 10/24/2024 at 12:46 PM, Scooterfletcher said:

With the Rangers looking to get out of the luxury tax, what would they give us in addition to taking on Marcus Semien and his 4/104 million owed to him?   If we can get Wily Adames expected production along with a good arm or two, this might be a way to add power to our infield while adding a good pitcher and top prospect as well.  

Milwaukee is a small market. There's no way they would take on a contract like his.