Brewers sign Elvin Rodriquez

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1 hour ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

What bigger target traded the last two deadlines would have increased the Brewers' chances of winning a World Series more than the guys they did acquire? Maybe Verlander, assuming he either didn't have a no trade clause or would be willing to waive it? The Dodgers won the World Series in spite of Flaherty's postseason performance, not because of it. The Cubs getting Candelario and Paredes actually helped the Brewers because each's season tanked once they got to Chicago.

I never said making trades always works out for the better.But not making any attempts to get us over the top, surely doesn't make them look like they're trying to get any better. All I ask, is if they're basically never gonna make moves, when it's looking like we can seriously make a deep run, then stop telling our fan base that they are. 

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1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

The Dodgers have an estimated payroll of $351M for next year, the Brewers are at $116M currently.

It would take way more than one or two moves to possibly get over that $235M hump.

Lets go crazy, sign Alonso & Bregman for $30M each annually over the next six/seven years, trade some big prospects for Luis Robert and Luis Castillo, now we’re only $136M short of the Dodgers.

So even with four yuge moves they’d still be a whole team’s payroll behind LAD, and also still well short of teams like HOU, NYY, TEX, TOR, NYM and PHI.

I’d rather roll with the status quo since big moves don’t guarantee a World Series win in the present and would hinder the Brewers chances for future success by tying money up in aging players on the decline and thinning out the farm system.

I've said many times before, that I completely understand that we're a small market, and can't spend like the big boys, but making a bigger move or 2 once in a while would at least point to them actually trying to make a deep run, or actually get to the WS. Can't win a WS, if we never get there again. We have a deep farm system, so why not use it once in a while? Like the Orioles have, for instance?

MLB definitely needs a hard salary cap, but we all know that will never happen. 

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46 minutes ago, Oxy said:

This entire paragraph is bizzarro gaslighting. 

Sentences 1 and 4 are very true and is a credit to the front office ENTIRELY BECAUSE of their "bites at the apple" philosophy.  The ONLY reason it is even possible to ever even complain that they don't "GOFERIT"--which is a complaint EVERY YEAR by some people is that they don't "go all in" or whatever.  Do that ONCE and fail and you can wait another 8 years to complain they don't go for it because they'll be stuck with a bad overpaid roster  winning 75 games a year with a poor farm system and little to no hope to ever even make the playoffs....all to increase their chances of winning a WS ONE year by like 1.0305%.

Yes, it is FAR more probable to win a WS by getting lucky in the playoffs any single year of many playoff years when you go to the playoffs nearly EVERY year than it is to mortgage the future and health of your franchise for ONE year to barely increase your chances that ONE year.

 

Gaslighting indeed.

Yeah, uh-huh, ok. You should probably look up the definition. What they keep telling our fan base, pretty much every year, is a form of it. It's the equivalent of dangling a carrot on a stick, and when we get hungry and reach for it, they purposely move it further away. 

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1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

The Dodgers have an estimated payroll of $351M for next year, the Brewers are at $116M currently.

It would take way more than one or two moves to possibly get over that $235M hump.

Lets go crazy, sign Alonso & Bregman for $30M each annually over the next six/seven years, trade some big prospects for Luis Robert and Luis Castillo, now we’re only $136M short of the Dodgers.

So even with four yuge moves they’d still be a whole team’s payroll behind LAD, and also still well short of teams like HOU, NYY, TEX, TOR, NYM and PHI.

I’d rather roll with the status quo since big moves don’t guarantee a World Series win in the present and would hinder the Brewers chances for future success by tying money up in aging players on the decline and thinning out the farm system.

Your usage of "yuge" is a dig, isn't it? Lol

[brewerfan82]

If this "conversation" is going to continue, can it at least be done in some other thread? Maybe in some sort of opposing version of the optimism thread?

[CheeseheadInQC]

43 minutes ago, bigred said:

I never said making trades always works out for the better.But not making any attempts to get us over the top, surely doesn't make them look like they're trying to get any better. All I ask, is if they're basically never gonna make moves, when it's looking like we can seriously make a deep run, then stop telling our fan base that they are. 

They have made moves that did make them better, they just weren't splash moves. Maybe they didn't think those trades would work out and got it right. I know this isn't what you're saying, but you make moves to try to get better, not to look like you're trying to get better. Doing the latter is how you become the Angels.

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7 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

They have made moves that did make them better, they just weren't splash moves. Maybe they didn't think those trades would work out and got it right. I know this isn't what you're saying, but you make moves to try to get better, not to look like you're trying to get better. Doing the latter is how you become the Angels.

Sometimes though, it's how small market teams become how the Orioles and Tigers are now. 

[brewerfan82]

You are complaining that the Brewers don't trade more prospects to make moves to help them go deeper into the playoffs and then use the Orioles, who haven't won a single playoff game in 10 years and was just voted as the biggest prospect hoarding team in baseball, and the Tigers, who have 1 winning season in the past 8 years, as examples of who you wish they were more like??

[wiguy94]

4 hours ago, bigred said:

It's unbelievable, how many fans conveniently forget how many times, since MA and his group bout the team, has saidtheir intentions are to bring a WS championship to Milwaukee. That is definitely gaslighting. 

No it's not gaslighting. They are just doing it in a way you don't like. They view a long competitive window with many playoff berths as more conducive to winning a WS than a shorter window. Brewers could spend $50M more a year on payroll and still be at a disadvantage on paper. It will always involve luck.

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51 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

No it's not gaslighting. They are just doing it in a way you don't like. They view a long competitive window with many playoff berths as more conducive to winning a WS than a shorter window. Brewers could spend $50M more a year on payroll and still be at a disadvantage on paper. It will always involve luck.

Yeah, uh-huh, ok. You should look up the definition too. It definitely is a form of gaslighting. 

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53 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

No it's not gaslighting. They are just doing it in a way you don't like. They view a long competitive window with many playoff berths as more conducive to winning a WS than a shorter window. Brewers could spend $50M more a year on payroll and still be at a disadvantage on paper. It will always involve luck.

So our chances of winning a WS championship solely relies on 100% pure luck. Gee, that's just super dandy. We'll obviously be waiting a LONG time then. Sometimes teams need to try and make their own luck. 

[Austin Tatious]

Personally I like how the Brewers are allocating their  resources on player development, pitching lab, international market infrastructure, and the draft.   They see where the rules allow them to excel and they are very opportunistic and find inefficiencies to exploit.  If they get hamstrung with a bad contract, it would be a terrible risk and set the organization back.  

We’ve already produced a number of young talents with several more coming in the next couple of years.  Who’s to say we won’t have a very electric young core in a couple of years?  

I think Mark has learned from some of the bad contracts he gave out earlier and we have different strategy now.  I like the way we are doing it.  

[82brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, Austin Tatious said:

Personally I like how the Brewers are allocating their  resources on player development, pitching lab, international market infrastructure, and the draft.   They see where the rules allow them to excel and they are very opportunistic and find inefficiencies to exploit.  If they get hamstrung with a bad contract, it would be a terrible risk and set the organization back.  

We’ve already produced a number of young talents with several more coming in the next couple of years.  Who’s to say we won’t have a very electric young core in a couple of years?  

I think Mark has learned from some of the bad contracts he gave out earlier and we have different strategy now.  I like the way we are doing it.  

Sure, but it is not a strategy that is free from downside and criticism.  When was the last time the Brewers were a top 5 odds on favorite to win a World Series?  To me, the whole bites at the apple is a very convenient philosophy.

[homer]

I think we've had plenty of posts on how the Brewers build a roster  Let's keep comments in this thread about the one and only Elvin Rodriguez and his inevitable enshrinement into Cooperstown 

[Frisbee Slider]

When the Packers sign roster depth players with upside do we hammer them? 

Have the Brewers, in aggregate, been more competitive than the Packers over the past decade? 

[jay87shot]

I remember watching Rodriguez start a couple games a couple years ago for the Tigers. He had really good movement but got crushed. The Tigers stunk and pushed him up to early. Turns out he was tipping pitches. Love me some Jomboy clips.

 

 

[Brian]

On 1/19/2025 at 12:43 AM, jay87shot said:

I remember watching Rodriguez start a couple games a couple years ago for the Tigers. He had really good movement but got crushed. The Tigers stunk and pushed him up to early. Turns out he was tipping pitches. Love me some Jomboy clips.

 

 

Tipping pitches is a for real issue, Devin Williams had the same problem, remember Pete Alonzo?  He had really good movement but got crushed also and we lost. 

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3 hours ago, Brian said:

Tipping pitches is a for real issue, Devin Williams had the same problem, remember Pete Alonzo?  He had really good movement but got crushed also and we lost. 

I agree. Devin is a heck of a reliever, but the 1 thing that irked me, was how he would overuse his change-up in many games. When a pitcher does that, it makes them very predictable.

[markedman5]

 

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

 

This makes me happy. I like him more than 3 or 4 players at the bottom of our 40-man roster. I hope he gets another chance in 2025.