Packers 2025 offseason

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm on my phone and I don't care about looking back 7 years to research lame injury excuses that every team endures every year.

MVS. Seriously MVS. Lmao. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

31 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

 To pretend that didn't affect the outcome of a 13-10 game is just plain ignorant.

Score 2 touchdowns with the MVP of the league or max protect a punt, and it doesn't. Losing that game on your home field in the snow against a team from California was pathetic, but I am sure they appreciate your excuse making. 

[adambr2]

2 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Since you're not willing to do the research to list them, that proves my point.

Missed or limited:

• David Bakhtiari (5x All-Pro LT)
• Elgton Jenkins (Pro Bowl LG)
• Robert Tonyan (starting TE)
• MV-S (3rd in receiving yards during the regular season)
• Jaire Alexander (All-Pro CB, played 8 snaps)
• Kevin King (played 8 snaps)

SFO wasn't missing their All-Pro LT.  SFO wasn't missing their Pro Bowl LG.  SFO wasn't missing their starting TE.  SFO wasn't missing their #3 WR.  SFO wasn't missing an All-Pro CB.  I can't find one starter for SFO who missed the game.  And it took a blocked punt for SFO to beat them.

Yeah, missing their top two OL - an All-Pro and a Pro Bowl - against the team that was 5th in the NFL in sacks and SFO had five sacks that game.  To pretend that didn't affect the outcome of a 13-10 game is just plain ignorant.

If we are going to use the absences of Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Robert Tonyan and Kevin King, to excuse a playoff game loss, we might as well just go ahead and acknowledge that we would go 20-0 every season if it weren’t for those darn injuries. Especially if we’re going to add two players to that list who were unavailable due to injury more than they were available from 2021-2024.

[LouisEly]

11 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

If we are going to use the absences of Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Robert Tonyan and Kevin King, to excuse a playoff game loss, we might as well just go ahead and acknowledge that we would go 20-0 every season if it weren’t for those darn injuries. Especially if we’re going to add two players to that list who were unavailable due to injury more than they were available from 2021-2024.

If you're going to pick MV-S and Kevin King off of a list that includes a 5x All Pro, another All-Pro, and a multi-time Pro Bowler, and dismiss another guy who had 11 TDs the prior season, I don't know what to tell you.

[adambr2]

9 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

If you're going to pick MV-S and Kevin King off of a list that includes a 5x All Pro, another All-Pro, and a multi-time Pro Bowler, and dismiss another guy who had 11 TDs the prior season, I don't know what to tell you.

Tonyan had 204 yards in the 2021 season and 2 TDs. Like, we can’t be serious here. Why do I care what he did in the weird COVID season 12-18 months earlier? Why does anyone? 

And Jamaal Williams had 17 TDs the following season. It doesn’t mean he was a special, valuable player. Neither is Robert Tonyan. If you are going to cherry pick the TD total of some flash in the pan TE in a season that literally *wasn’t even the one we are discussing* to help explain away a playoff loss, I don’t even know what to tell you.

Are we able to chalk up every loss where Jaire or Bahk were rostered but unavailable as a bad injury fluke throughout the entire post-2020 era? That should cover quite a few of them.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones and Davante Adams need to score 14 points in a home playoff game. If GB Preble kids are on the OL, they need to figure it out. 

There are banged up teams literally every year. Somebody is missing all the time. Who was hurt when we kicked a FG down by 8 at home in January to Tampa and then couldn't get our defense off the field? What about the year before when we got stomped in Santa Clara? The defense we ran out against Atlanta? Letting Kaep run for 500 yards? Going 15-1 and losing to the Giants, again at home in the snow? Must have been guys hurt all those years too, lol. 

 

[HarryDoyle]

I seem to remember this team winning a Super Bowl in 2010 with 16 players on IR.

[homer]

Injuries matter. Coaches like to say, "Next man up," because what else are you going to say, but losing Nick Collins and David Bakhtiari was huge. 

[adambr2]

3 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Jones and Davante Adams need to score 14 points in a home playoff game. If GB Preble kids are on the OL, they need to figure it out. 

There are banged up teams literally every year. Somebody is missing all the time. Who was hurt when we kicked a FG down by 8 at home in January to Tampa and then couldn't get our defense off the field? What about the year before when we got stomped in Santa Clara? The defense we ran out against Atlanta? Letting Kaep run for 500 yards? Going 15-1 and losing to the Giants, again at home in the snow? Must have been guys hurt all those years too, lol. 

 

Yeah, the only guy from that playoff loss that was a big loss of a valuable player that we were used to having in the lineup, was Elgton Jenkins. If that’s the difference between winning and not even being able to score a single offensive touchdown, you’re not a contender.

IIRC that was the game where Aaron Jones appeared to have a long breakaway touchdown down the sidelines right before halftime before he bizarrely slowed down to try to cut inside instead, neither scoring nor getting out of bounds to stop the clock, and we somehow ended up with 0 points on the drive.

The defense played their butts off and the offense and special teams blew it. It sucked.

[adambr2]

9 minutes ago, homer said:

Injuries matter. Coaches like to say, "Next man up," because what else are you going to say, but losing Nick Collins and David Bakhtiari was huge. 

Well Collins was 11 years retired by the game in question, so…

And Bahk was basically our offensive Jaire. Yes, it sucks that his ACL recovery failed. It sucks he never went back to being the same healthy guy after 2020. But like Jaire, we were used to being without him.

Every team can play the what-if game with injuries to their best players all day. Would the Bucs have been able to make a Super Bowl run last year if they had never lost Godwin? Would a healthy Hutch have finally brought a Lombardi to Detroit? 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

27 minutes ago, homer said:

Injuries matter. Coaches like to say, "Next man up," because what else are you going to say, but losing Nick Collins and David Bakhtiari was huge. 

Of course they do, but the Packers had established themselves as the favorite to win the Super Bowl in spite of most of those injuries. Bhaktiari shouldn't even be mentioned, he hadn't played the whole season. In most seasons, the knock on the Packers was that they didn't show up against the elite. Not the case that year, they beat both Super Bowl teams already - they more or less beat the brakes off LA. So we are really trying to pass off Robert Tonyan and MVS as legitimate reasons the Packers, with the MVP QB, couldn't get past a 10-7 #6 seed, at Lambeau Field, against an opponent led by Jimmy Garopolo, an offense that never got into the end zone. It doesn't even pass a laugh test. That game was probably the second biggest GB choke job of the last 30 years behind the Seattle debacle.

That game is one of the reasons the Packers could go 17-0 and play the 8-9 Saints in the Divisional and I would still not believe any of the hype until after it's all said and done. I have just about no faith in the Packers to execute when it counts. I don't know how anyone my age does.

[adambr2]

Someone explain to me how Aaron Jones neither scored nor got out of bounds on this play. 

If you’re looking for a real actual reason why we lost, this is it.

[homer]

34 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Well Collins was 11 years retired by the game in question, so…

And Bahk was basically our offensive Jaire. Yes, it sucks that his ACL recovery failed. It sucks he never went back to being the same healthy guy after 2020. But like Jaire, we were used to being without him.

Every team can play the what-if game with injuries to their best players all day. Would the Bucs have been able to make a Super Bowl run last year if they had never lost Godwin? Would a healthy Hutch have finally brought a Lombardi to Detroit? 

I'm referring specifically to the 15 - 1 season playoff loss and the game against Tampa Bay. Missing those guys in those games was huge.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Someone explain to me how Aaron Jones neither scored nor got out of bounds on this play. 

If you’re looking for a real actual reason why we lost, this is it.

I'm not sure. I think it's Jaire and Bhak not playing despite not playing in the last 3 months or entire season, respectively, or the 200-yard game Tonyan was totally going to have...

Nick Collins, unfortunate injury, sure. But has nothing to do with one of the best offenses of all time having like 10 points at the end of the 3rd  quarter (Giants divisional). They did nothing that day. 

Tampa sucked, but they were at least as good or better than the Packers. That's probably the most easily excusable loss. 

[Sixtolezcano]

22 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Since you're not willing to do the research to list them, that proves my point.

Missed or limited:

• David Bakhtiari (5x All-Pro LT)
• Elgton Jenkins (Pro Bowl LG)
• Robert Tonyan (starting TE)
• MV-S (3rd in receiving yards during the regular season)
• Jaire Alexander (All-Pro CB, played 8 snaps)
• Kevin King (played 8 snaps)

SFO wasn't missing their All-Pro LT.  SFO wasn't missing their Pro Bowl LG.  SFO wasn't missing their starting TE.  SFO wasn't missing their #3 WR.  SFO wasn't missing an All-Pro CB.  I can't find one starter for SFO who missed the game.  And it took a blocked punt for SFO to beat them.

Yeah, missing their top two OL - an All-Pro and a Pro Bowl - against the team that was 5th in the NFL in sacks and SFO had five sacks that game.  To pretend that didn't affect the outcome of a 13-10 game is just plain ignorant.

Maybe they should give them the SB title in 2021 because they WERE the best team that season and had to play without their top 2 OL and would have won if they could have played. Your whole argument sounds like sour grapes to me. 

[CheezWizHed]

I was turned on the TV the other day and saw a replay of a Seattle/Packer playoff game.  I flipped it on as I was trying to remember the outcome.  And then Seattle on-side kicked the ball to Bostick and I immediately turned the channel. 🤢

Winning SBs is hard.  You are playing a bunch of evenly matched teams at the end of the season with everyone battling injuries - whether they are playing or on IR. Small plays and weaknesses can make or break you. 

Peyton Manning took forever to win his first SB and had to leave Indy to go to Denver (who was focused on building a killer defense before he arrived) before he won a second. Eli also won two SBs... does that make them equals as a QB? Hardly. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

3 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I was turned on the TV the other day and saw a replay of a Seattle/Packer playoff game.  I flipped it on as I was trying to remember the outcome.  And then Seattle on-side kicked the ball to Bostick and I immediately turned the channel. 🤢

Winning SBs is hard.  You are playing a bunch of evenly matched teams at the end of the season with everyone battling injuries - whether they are playing or on IR. Small plays and weaknesses can make or break you. 

Peyton Manning took forever to win his first SB and had to leave Indy to go to Denver (who was focused on building a killer defense before he arrived) before he won a second. Eli also won two SBs... does that make them equals as a QB? Hardly. 

Peyton Manning played in 4 Super Bowls. We should probably point out that Eli defeated the Packers as an underdog both times he won it. 

Nobody thinks Joe Flacco and Rodgers are equals because they both have one Super Bowl. There's nuance to it, but there is no way that anybody is going to convince me that one Super Bowl appearance is an acceptable outcome for how dominant Aaron Rodgers was and how many golden opportunities the Packers had AFTER they actually won it. 

[Yaz19]

4 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I was turned on the TV the other day and saw a replay of a Seattle/Packer playoff game.  I flipped it on as I was trying to remember the outcome.  And then Seattle on-side kicked the ball to Bostick and I immediately turned the channel. 🤢

Winning SBs is hard.  You are playing a bunch of evenly matched teams at the end of the season with everyone battling injuries - whether they are playing or on IR. Small plays and weaknesses can make or break you. 

Peyton Manning took forever to win his first SB and had to leave Indy to go to Denver (who was focused on building a killer defense before he arrived) before he won a second. Eli also won two SBs... does that make them equals as a QB? Hardly. 

Sorry - I am tired of the pile on Bostick crowd when it comes to that NIGHTMARE in 2015.    Morgan Burnett had 30 - 40 yards of open field in front of him and allowed Julius Peppers to make him take knee after intercepting the pass.  There was just over 5 minutes left in the game.  That game NEVER gets to the BS onside kick.   And then the Packers go and hire Burnett as a coach.   I have never forgiven Burnett  for that.   And it seems it is in the blind spot of most Packers fans.

(Oh and the Brewers decided to trade Gallardo during that game.)

[HarryDoyle]

1 hour ago, Yaz19 said:

Sorry - I am tired of the pile on Bostick crowd when it comes to that NIGHTMARE in 2015.    Morgan Burnett had 30 - 40 yards of open field in front of him and allowed Julius Peppers to make him take knee after intercepting the pass.  There was just over 5 minutes left in the game.  That game NEVER gets to the BS onside kick.   And then the Packers go and hire Burnett as a coach.   I have never forgiven Burnett  for that.   And it seems it is in the blind spot of most Packers fans.

(Oh and the Brewers decided to trade Gallardo during that game.)

You could throw in about six other factors too.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I always thought Burnett sucked or was at best mediocre. He was one those bizarre guys that just got to hang around seemingly forever just being meh, while sections of the fan base clamored about how he was some unheralded gem of the defense. He was AJ Hawk in the secondary. I can't think of a single significant play he ever made. 

[Yaz19]

21 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

You could throw in about six other factors too.

That was the first domino and it didn't have to fall.  Sure the field goals in the first half were maddening yet at the point when Burnett intercepted the pass that should have been the final nail in the coffin as they would likely at the least gotten another field goal.     That team was good enough to get to the Super Bowl and win it.  Sigh.

[adambr2]

Peppers screaming at Burnett to get down was so bizarre. There was damn near half a quarter left. I don’t know if he would have scored but he had a lot of green in front of him and at least gets into FG range. 

[OldHeidelberg]

10 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Peppers screaming at Burnett to get down was so bizarre. There was damn near half a quarter left. I don’t know if he would have scored but he had a lot of green in front of him and at least gets into FG range. 

I screamed at the TV when he did that, it was like we just clinched the Super Bowl and then it was still in doubt. LOL at the comment above that Packer fans have forgotten that.

[HarryDoyle]

I've known plenty of intercepting defensive players that have tried to return them when they were better served to just go down. Sam Shields clinching the NFCCG comes to mind. Morgan Burnett is the only player I've ever seen go down when it behooved the team to run it back and the only player I will probably ever see. I still think Peppers was a double agent still working for the Bears.

[BrewerFan]

On 6/11/2025 at 10:46 AM, homer said:

Injuries matter. Coaches like to say, "Next man up," because what else are you going to say, but losing Nick Collins and David Bakhtiari was huge. 

Bakhtiari was as big of a loss as you could have had from that team OUTSIDE Rodgers. 

TB had that incredible pass rush. Jaire did what he could, but that sequence of plays at the end of the half just crushed us. 

There were two SB runs that were probably lost due to Bakh.