Off the Table Prospects

[jay87shot]

I guess you can just make a list of the untouchable players or make groups of some type.

For me I have 2 groups

1)Untouchable (Under no circumstances should we trade) Misi, Made, Pena

2) Guys who are underrated and should not be traded because the return will not be enough. Basically these are guys with top 100 prospect upside or have high likelihood of being reliable mlb pieces.

C)Dinges 1B)Adams, Bitonti, Burke IF)Arienamo, Di Turri, Murray, Josh A, Black OF)Lara, Anderson, Payne P)Meccage, Letson, Crow, Hardin, Melvin H, ManRod, 2023/24 HS prospects

 

[ghostdrew]

Why is Tyler black on your list but Brock wilken  isnt

[wiguy94]

28 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

I guess you can just make a list of the untouchable players or make groups of some type.

For me I have 2 groups

1)Untouchable (Under no circumstances should we trade) Misi, Made, Pena

2) Guys who are underrated and should not be traded because the return will not be enough. Basically these are guys with top 100 prospect upside or have high likelihood of being reliable mlb pieces.

C)Dinges 1B)Adams, Bitonti, Burke IF)Arienamo, Di Turri, Murray, Josh A, Black OF)Lara, Anderson, Payne P)Meccage, Letson, Crow, Hardin, Melvin H, ManRod, 2023/24 HS prospects

 

Outside of Misiorowski, I don't think there's a single in the player in the system I could completely rule off the table in a trade. Guys like Made and Pena are the next closest but if we could move one of them as a headliner for a really good MLB player with team control, I would consider it with them in A ball multiple years away from impacting the big league club.

[jay87shot]

8 hours ago, ghostdrew said:

Why is Tyler black on your list but Brock wilken  isnt

Because Tyler Black has no trade value but if we hold on to him he can be a productive player (big maybe). In my opinion trading Tyler Black would maybe get us someone like Tyler Alexander value which we don't need.

Conversely I think Wilken's trade value is high. I wouldn't give him away but if someone required him as a 2nd piece for a quality controlled bat I would move him. 

I am just really looking at current trade value vs. potential value (prospect or to our team).

[Lathund]

I think the way to think about which prospects to trade or not trade, is simlpy value. Build the best player evaluation/development organization you can, and then trust their evaluations of prospects. Your own, and others. Figure out what you think each prospect is worth (Which is extremely hard, of course, and has a lot of variance), and be open to trade them if the return exceeds your value, and don't do it if it doesn't. Basically make use of the fact that teams value certain things differently, and that you are (hopefully) the better at valuing those things correctly. 

Which is obviously easier said than done. You will have so many borderline cases. There will be positional needs (in the minors and majors) to factor in, there will be Rule5/Minor league FA issues, and much more. It's also an approach that will be frustrating at times. It won't always align with your needs or your timeline. But it's what, IMO, builds both the minor and major league teams over time. 

So in other words, there's noone truly "off the table". But at the same time, there are many guys I don't see anyone realistically giving up what it takes for. For a small-market team, homegrown potential stars are just so immensely valuable, as we can't (or won't) go after the top FAs. So the prospects with the tools that makes the superstar outcome at least possible, should be kept unless the right long-term deal opens up. Like it did with 5 years of Yelich. 

Basically, you don't even consider trading Made unless it's for someone like Corbin Carroll (Under affordable team control until 2031). And trading players that good with that much time left almost never happens, which is why the Yelich trade was so unique in many ways. 

But to at least try to answer the question more specifically, the players I would say are off the table in most realistic scenarios would fall into a few groups: Extreme tools/potential as above (Miz, Made, Peña), up the middle prospects with offensive *and* defensive upside (Quero, Pratt, Dinges. Not quite the same offensive upside, but a potential elite CF like Lara is someone I'd keep), MLB-near prospect at positions of extreme need. Depending on how you view it, could look at SS/3B for the last one and include Pratt there, but I'd look at it more in terms of MLB-ready pitching. That is one thing that should be hoarded, and only ever given up for the right reasons. 

[SF70]

I trust the Brewers internal evaluations of their prospects enough that if they feel the need to trade away a Made or Pena or Pratt for a multiple year controllable I’ll be good with that.

IMO, the team has an opportunity to get to a powerhouse team before 2028 if they trade from their BIB farm, and that powerhouse could potentially start at this years deadline with the team acquiring the right controllable positional talent. 

Not expecting that to happen, but if it does, this prospect-hugger won’t be screaming about the return being prohibitive.

[SF70]

18 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I guess you can just make a list of the untouchable players or make groups of some type.

For me I have 2 groups

1)Untouchable (Under no circumstances should we trade) Misi, Made, Pena

2) Guys who are underrated and should not be traded because the return will not be enough. Basically these are guys with top 100 prospect upside or have high likelihood of being reliable mlb pieces.

C)Dinges 1B)Adams, Bitonti, Burke IF)Arienamo, Di Turri, Murray, Josh A, Black OF)Lara, Anderson, Payne P)Meccage, Letson, Crow, Hardin, Melvin H, ManRod, 2023/24 HS prospects

 

Imo, Lara would be the perfect trade candidate at this years trade-deadline or offseason if the team can add a controllable positional upgrade.

He’s likely not going to add power to his skill-set, which is what MKE needs in its OF, at least in my opinion, but his value to clubs around the game should be huge, with the dearth of plus speed, plus plus fielding CF prospects with a nice hit-tool.

[jay87shot]

19 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Imo, Lara would be the perfect trade candidate at this years trade-deadline or offseason if the team can add a controllable positional upgrade.

He’s likely not going to add power to his skill-set, which is what MKE needs in its OF, at least in my opinion, but his value to clubs around the game should be huge, with the dearth of plus speed, plus plus fielding CF prospects with a nice hit-tool.

I just think that at 20 having a good year in AA he isn't valued appropriately by league scouts. He is usually in the 10-20 organizationally which would likely make him a 3rd or 4th piece for a big name player. If we could get top 10 org prospect value for him I would be OK moving him. It's the problem with having a stacked system right now. Basically everyone outside of the top 10 prospects seem underrated. 

[wibadgers23]

31 minutes ago, SF70 said:

I trust the Brewers internal evaluations of their prospects enough that if they feel the need to trade away a Made or Pena or Pratt for a multiple year controllable I’ll be good with that.

I'm in this camp as well although it would be extremely painful trading away a Made or Pena.  We have such a deep system right now and draft picks galore coming up in a couple of days to help replenish the system a bit.  If we trade Made or Pena, I'd assume we'd be getting back an MLB superstar with years of control, which I'd be totally fine with.

[snoogans8056]

With how deep we are with young players, I’d say pretty much everyone in A ball or lower is off the table.

It’s not because of their value, but due to their lack of value. We are flush with penny stocks. They add nothing to a trade in the grand scheme and them being added can only hurt us. Those guys can be traded another day after we’ve fattened them up.

I think Pratt is our big prospect trade piece that we should be dangling. Value may be at an all time high there.

[Brewer77]

There are 5 guys that I would have a really hard time trading. All of these guys have a loud combination of tools that are hard to find:

Misiorowski, Made, Pena, Dinges, and Payne

I could maybe be talked into Payne as he is the furthest away in that group

I wouldn’t look to trade Pratt or Quero, but I don’t see quite the same level of offensive upside where they should be untouchable

I’d be open to trading anyone from our stable of corner IFs. We have some redundancy in that group and none of them project to be plus defenders and runners

There are several pitchers that I like, but none beyond Misiorowski that I’d put in the untouchable bucket

[SF70]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I just think that at 20 having a good year in AA he isn't valued appropriately by league scouts. He is usually in the 10-20 organizationally which would likely make him a 3rd or 4th piece for a big name player. If we could get top 10 org prospect value for him I would be OK moving him. It's the problem with having a stacked system right now. Basically everyone outside of the top 10 prospects seem underrated. 

Underrated to us but plenty of scouts have had eyes on Lara for what now, 3.5 years including last falls AFL.  I think his value to 90% of the team’s around the league would be greater than it would be to us since we have 4 controlled plus fielding CF at the BL level.

Lara is an easy top 10 prospect in most organizations besides ours. 

[snoogans8056]

16 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Underrated to us but plenty of scouts have had eyes on Lara for what now, 3.5 years including last falls AFL.  I think his value to 90% of the team’s around the league would be greater than it would be to us since we have 4 controlled plus fielding CF at the BL level.

Lara is an easy top 10 prospect in most organizations besides ours. 

I think Lara is currently in the organization that would be most likely to value a guy like him.

[ecjimg]

The 2 I would be least likely to trade (other than the obvious Miz, Made and Pena)…are Wilken and Bitonti, just because this team and future versions are lacking HR power, especially with Mitchell now possibly being a bust.

[MattK]

It is interesting, in that it seems the trust level in the front office is really high right now. They have been making a lot of moves and - with certainly needing time yet on a number of them - most (90% even???) seem to be working out positively. Thus maybe further trust in how they value the players value is the right move. 

[jw5511986]

1 hour ago, MattK said:

It is interesting, in that it seems the trust level in the front office is really high right now. They have been making a lot of moves and - with certainly needing time yet on a number of them - most (90% even???) seem to be working out positively. Thus maybe further trust in how they value the players value is the right move. 

Go back and read the draft threads from 2021 and 2022 to get a feel for how some on this board felt about our FO and scouting operations.

[Matt]

I'd trade anyone for the right package. But the cost would be extremely high for any of the young kids typically seen in the lists. I'm not trading a decade of Pena or Made for three years of Acuna. 

[CheezWizHed]

On 7/11/2025 at 8:17 AM, SF70 said:

Imo, Lara would be the perfect trade candidate at this years trade-deadline or offseason if the team can add a controllable positional upgrade.

He’s likely not going to add power to his skill-set, which is what MKE needs in its OF, at least in my opinion, but his value to clubs around the game should be huge, with the dearth of plus speed, plus plus fielding CF prospects with a nice hit-tool.

But he is 5'8"!  5'8" players are at the heart of our offense! We should trade away Chourio to make room for shorter players. Also 80" high, Areinamo is on his way to take Turang's place at 2B also!