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As the "first half" of the season was coming to an end Sunday, independent reporter Francys Romero dropped an exciting rumor surrounding the Milwaukee Brewers and their phenom starting pitcher Jacob Misiorowski.

The two sides have already had extension talks as the team is looking to buy out his arbitration and pre-arbitration years.

Misiorowski, 23, has been dominant in his first five big-league starts, which resulted in him being named to the National League All-Star team. In 25 2/3 innings of work, he's recorded a 2.81 ERA, though a 3.82 FIP, suggesting some underlying weakness. Misiorowski has demonstrated impressive control with a strikeout minus walk rate (K-BB%) of 22.1%.

The Brewers made a similar move with Jackson Chourio, who signed an eight-year contract for a guaranteed for $82 million. This deal, which was finalized in December 2023 before his major league debut, included a $2 million signing bonus and an average annual salary of $10.25 million. They could look at a deal that is similar to what the Cleveland Guardians and starting pitcher Tanner Bibee agreed to earlier this year - a five year, $48 million pact.

If you're the Brewers, what is your final and best offer for the young ace? If you're Misiorowski, are you signing an extension now? Join the conversation in the comments!


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I don’t think Tanner Bibee works as a comp at all. He had 2 years of MLB service, Miz has a month. 

So 5/48, we’d be buying out all his pre-arb years and then about 23M each for the first two arb years? Wouldn’t make much sense.

I think even though the positions are obviously different, Jackson Merrill and his 9/135 would have to be more of a comp for it to make sense.

Of course Miz could blow that kind of money out of the water if he continues to produce and reach free agency — if he wants to roll the dice on himself.

Which is what makes these deals so difficult. Both sides have to be pretty motivated to get something done.

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Assuming that by "earlier in the 2025 season" he means before Misio was called up to MLB, from what I can tell looking at Cot's Contracts there has never been an extension for a pitcher with zero service time so it would have been uncharted territory.

For a pitcher with less than one year service time it looks like the highest was Chris Archer's 6/25.5M with $9M and $11M team options but that was all the way back in 2014.  Ashby also had less than one year of service time when he signed his 5/20.5M extension with options for $9M and $13M.

More recent comps for guys with one plus years of service time would be Brayan Bello (6/55M with $21M option), Hunter Greene (6/53M with $21M option), Brandon Pfaadt (5/45M with $21M option), and of course the gold standard Spencer Strider (6/75M with $22M option).

My best guess given Misio's meteoric start to his career is that it would take something like 7/100M to extend him at this point. That would set a new precedent for length, AAV and total money on a pitcher extension for someone with his service time. Assuming it kicked in next year (& maybe had one team option year on the end at say another $25M) Misio would still be hitting free agency going into his age 31 (or 32 with the option) season.

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I personally dont like signing pitchers to long term extensions.

 

Moderate extensions like Peralta and Ashby are fine, but 7/100?  No thanks.

 

 

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Starting pitcher that throws over 100 mph regularly for major innings each season does not scream long term contract to me.  All that stress on that arm.  Just worried about arm troubles…but hey, I didn’t like the risk with Chourio either for different reasons and feel I was happily wrong now.

Another thing you rarely hear is the insurance policy on big contracts over many years. I remember hearing it with the Sheets extension. A favorable insurance policy would negate these risks and feelings, especially for small markets.  

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Call me a miser, but I'd rather the Brewers take things year to year with any pre-arbitration arm compared to extending them longterm right away...unless they are good with a Freddy Peralta-type extension that is extremely team-friendly and guarantees the pitcher spends his entire prime (i.e., through age 30 season) under that contract as a Brewer.  The injury risk is just too high, and the Brewers have proven over and over again that they can find MLB-caliber pitching at prices way, way below free agent market value.

I love that Miz is a Brewer - I'd hate to read him being signed to some insane contract extension that merely buys out 1 season of free agency and dramatically escalates what he'd be paid compared to fully healthy years of arbitration.

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1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

Robert Murray pushes back,on the report

at 5:10, FYI. I think he has a valid point about why would Miz want to sign now if he wins ROTY and gets a year of service time?

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I said last week the only reason to do this would be if he was okay being paid like a really good reliever, and I had Ashby's contract in mind. Five years, $20.5 million, buying out two FA years that would bump the total up to $41.5. 

That's obviously low and I wouldn't expect Mis to for it, but that would have been the starting point. The only reason for the Brewers to offer a deal is if it buys out at least two FA years. 

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

I said last week the only reason to do this would be if he was okay being paid like a really good reliever, and I had Ashby's contract in mind. Five years, $20.5 million, buying out two FA years that would bump the total up to $41.5. 

That's obviously low and I wouldn't expect Mis to for it, but that would have been the starting point. The only reason for the Brewers to offer a deal is if it buys out at least two FA years. 

2 at the very minimum imo.

One isn't worth it, has to be 2 or more...

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On 7/14/2025 at 10:10 AM, Lloyd330 said:

10/150 with Opt out after year 8

4/7/8.5/10.5/15/15/20/20/25/25

Not an opt out. If we're giving him 100M GTD, we should get TOs. 8/100 with TOs at 30M AAV and incentives if he win ROY. 

14 hours ago, markedman5 said:

Robert Murray pushes back,on the report

No, he really doesn't. He says there's been no formal contract offer. That doesn't "push back" on the report that they're interested and that they've had preliminary talks.

That's the exact report I read. They've talked, they're not close on the numbers(which makes sense).

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On 7/15/2025 at 5:54 PM, Matt said:

I said last week the only reason to do this would be if he was okay being paid like a really good reliever, and I had Ashby's contract in mind. Five years, $20.5 million, buying out two FA years that would bump the total up to $41.5. 

That's obviously low and I wouldn't expect Mis to for it, but that would have been the starting point. The only reason for the Brewers to offer a deal is if it buys out at least two FA years. 

You actually said;

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If Misi wants to sign an extension that pays him like a solid reliever, go ahead and sign him. 

Not a chance in hell I'd be signing him to contract that pays him like a starter. That's stupid.

 

And when do you ever sign not just a pre-arbitration guy, but a guy with ~a month into the big leagues to a contract extension without buying out FA years?

 


The idea isn't to lock in his arbitration numbers, it's to extend your team control...

 

 

And not that it matters, but...we DO already have a thread about this very issue, extending Misiorowski. Some people take that pretty seriously🤔

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On 7/15/2025 at 12:37 PM, Team Canada said:

at 5:10, FYI. I think he has a valid point about why would Miz want to sign now if he wins ROTY and gets a year of service time?

You can account for that in the contract. It's almost a shame it's such a weak NL ROY class though as he's now the betting favorite. 

Account for that in the contract. I'm thinking 7/95M GTD and 2 TOs at 25M(10M buyout, part of the 95M). 


I'd rather we get aggressive and try and keep our guys as we'll never be able to sign a guy like this in FA... and I amnot interestedin the "when should we trade Mis, maximize his value." This would come at a time when Pratt, Made, Pena, and who knows who else are just becomes part of that nucleus that looks so promising?

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I wonder if Miz's thoughts about signing a contract maybe be different now than a month ago...

5 starts in and you're headed to super-stardom... a month later maybe expectations (from both sides) are a little more realistic and sustainable.  I still think the kid is special, but as others have mentioned in the in-game thread, "he's learning how to pitch now"

Unlikely that he's in the top-2 for ROY, so we should have 6 years of control remaining.  Perhaps a contract that buys out his arby years with an opportunity for 2 team options in 32 and 33 would be in everybody's best interests...   

Shows the club is committed and believes in the kid, gives him financial security for life, and still gives him the opportunity to cash in at 31 on a mega deal if he becomes the superstar we all hope he does

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11 hours ago, Austin Tatious said:

I’d also strongly look at extensions for Frelick and Turang. 

I would also, but... I don't know what yo do with Turang. If you go by WAR, I mean, 7 years and 100M is probably a reasonable ask on his behalf and then 25M TOs with a 10M buyout. 

You're loving at 9 WAR over the last 2 years and he's just starting to hit for power. Meanwhile, you have 3 guys who can play SS ranked in the top 100, a guy they still have listed at 3B but is 1B in Adams in the lower half and then two more 3B prospects in Fischer/Wilken and another 1B crushing in in AA in Burke. 

 

So Turang has been my guy, my favorite for a long time, but as valuable as I think he is, he's going to start arbitration this year, so that will increase his contract and we're getting pretty far in. 

6 years 60M with 2 TOs at 18M would be... where I'd go. I don't think it's where he'd go.

 

 

Frelick is a big of a difficult read as well. He's important to the team... I just don't know what a fair contract is for the Brewers. 

I do hope they keep their powder dry for Made and Pena as both look like just...studs. And they have so many other guys who... I just think the more guys you sign early, even if you get a guy like Keston Hiura who turned down something like 7/42 IIRC. But if you do this with Mis, Made, Quero, Pena, maybe Pratt, Fischer, Burke(you'll know better by the time they're in AAA or starting their MLB careers) you make up for it when a couple guys really hit. 

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 I wouldn't extend Miz, or sign him as a free agent  eventually. 100+ mph and high spin with extremely high effort screams TJ surgery. Enjoy him for the next 6 years and collect a haul/QO draft pick.

Turang I'd do in a heartbeat. 

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3 hours ago, duewizard said:

 I wouldn't extend Miz, or sign him as a free agent  eventually. 100+ mph and high spin with extremely high effort screams TJ surgery. Enjoy him for the next 6 years and collect a haul/QO draft pick.

Turang I'd do in a heartbeat. 

I'm starting to agree with this

What are the odds of him having TJ surgery in those 6 years.  Not a chance he stays healthy while we have him, something bad is going to happen, just a matter of when.

Ride him out for those 6 years and see what happens.  No need to get on the hook for 100 million, just wouldn't be prudent.

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