World Series thread

[treego14]

12 minutes ago, Brewluver said:

So if the Jays would have walked it off in the 9th, you guys would have zero to say ??

They are big market (the whole nation of Canada) fat boys, too!

I have always said that.

[Jimbo]

Darn.

 

[Jimbo]

51 minutes ago, bucks2281 said:

 Lots of devastating WS losses in recent memory (Cleveland 2016, Texas 2011, etc.), but this one takes the cake. 

Red Sox, 1986

 

[thebruce44]

Taking away how angry the imbalance in MLB makes me, this has to be one of the best WS of all time.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think the Brewers are plenty close. The competitive nature of TOR/SEA and then TOR/LAD makes me think we just gassed out at a very bad time. Woodruff was big. Then our horses just didn't hit. Perhaps taking out the Cubs was the catharsis for our guys and they just couldn't get going after.

Obviously, baseball has structural problems. But if Smith's toe came off the bag, or the catch isn't made, or any number of things, the "we need a cap now" talk is far more muted. This is our first repeat in quite some time, baseball does offer lots of parity. Everyone is sick of the Dodgers being there, yes. I just don't quite feel that it's hopeless for MKE, though.

[treego14]

Some feel like this regarding this World Series ... no doubt, an exaggeration, but kinda' funny, too ... a little slap back to those saying USA>Canada ....

[Brian]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think the Brewers are plenty close. The competitive nature of TOR/SEA and then TOR/LAD makes me think we just gassed out at a very bad time. Woodruff was big. Then our horses just didn't hit. Perhaps taking out the Cubs was the catharsis for our guys and they just couldn't get going after.

Obviously, baseball has structural problems. But if Smith's toe came off the bag, or the catch isn't made, or any number of things, the "we need a cap now" talk is far more muted. This is our first repeat in quite some time, baseball does offer lots of parity. Everyone is sick of the Dodgers being there, yes. I just don't quite feel that it's hopeless for MKE, though.

We did gas out after the Cubs, that ended up being our World Series and a Hard Salary Cap is needed in the MLB instead of the luxury tax system but doing it that way the MLB may lose some teams and one may be Milwaukee. 

[SF70]

9 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Kudos to the Dodgers, for finding a way to win another World Series.  I hate them, but oh well.

 

Guessing they'll look at how close they came to losing this one and decide to spend some more money this offseason to shore up their roster.

 

I've never been more excited at the state of the entire Brewers organization (majors + minors )than I presently am...that being said, I'd be willing to miss multiple seasons of baseball for MLB to enact meaningful change to their economic structure so the Dodgers cant just be penciled into the NLDS every season just because their TV deal hands them $350+ million a season.

I don’t understand how any Brewers fan would want to suffer thru missed seasons for there to be changes to baseball’s economic structures.

We are so far ahead of every non-Dodger team in this sport it’s amazing and it’s wonderful. I’ll take a powerhouse Dodgers team every year for the next decade because we are also going to be right there with them, most years, for at least this next decade, but probably longer. 

The thought of losing 1 full championship season, let alone multiple seasons in an attempt to destroy the players union is asinine. The damage to the game could take decades to overcome if ever. And why? For a hard cap? No —

Continue to make gains that make the soft-cap stronger. Stronger penalties that hurt the infrastructure AND pocketbook of the behemoths, and transfer more money to the small & medium market teams. More international $ for the SM teams. Another competitive-balance pick as well. This is the realistic way to even things out and can be done so the game and fans don’t suffer because of a union-busting attempt.

Brainpower vs $

Yes the Dodgers have brainpower and $, but MKE has even more brainpower than the LAD and now an infrastructure every bit as good as them, maybe even better.

The most talented team doesn’t always win the WS. Too much variance to the game. Top 5 talent with a top 1-2 FO over an extended period of time will get it done.

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think the Brewers are plenty close. The competitive nature of TOR/SEA and then TOR/LAD makes me think we just gassed out at a very bad time. Woodruff was big. Then our horses just didn't hit. Perhaps taking out the Cubs was the catharsis for our guys and they just couldn't get going after.

Obviously, baseball has structural problems. But if Smith's toe came off the bag, or the catch isn't made, or any number of things, the "we need a cap now" talk is far more muted. This is our first repeat in quite some time, baseball does offer lots of parity. Everyone is sick of the Dodgers being there, yes. I just don't quite feel that it's hopeless for MKE, though.

I don’t think the #5 payroll winning it would have made it any better. Since their first WS appearance in 2017, the Dodgers have represented the NL over 50% of the time. 
 

There has been a single team that didn’t have a Top 10 payroll to make the World Series dating back to 2018, the Diamondbacks. 
 

A small market has won a single World Series in the last 20 years. I don’t think a team winning 12/13 division titles is parity. Hilariously, the year they didn’t win the division they had 106 wins. Parity should include all teams, not 1/3 of teams.

[LouisEly]

15 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

A small market has won a single World Series in the last 20 years. I don’t think a team winning 12/13 division titles is parity. Hilariously, the year they didn’t win the division they had 106 wins. Parity should include all teams, not 1/3 of teams.

And they wonder why football has become more popular.

[Fear The Chorizo]

48 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

I don’t think the #5 payroll winning it would have made it any better. Since their first WS appearance in 2017, the Dodgers have represented the NL over 50% of the time. 
 

There has been a single team that didn’t have a Top 10 payroll to make the World Series dating back to 2018, the Diamondbacks. 
 

A small market has won a single World Series in the last 20 years. I don’t think a team winning 12/13 division titles is parity. Hilariously, the year they didn’t win the division they had 106 wins. Parity should include all teams, not 1/3 of teams.

The economic imbalance in MLB has led to half the league being irrelevant no matter what they do.  

 

The Dodgers basically took the regular season off and slep-walked their way to a division title against teams besides the Rockies that spent beyond their means to try and "keep up with the Joneses".   They'll be able to do the same thing over and over again.  Their economic advantage over the rest of MLB allows them to pay the best player of all time $2M in real dollars per year through his prime in order to pay the rest of their all star team more, because shelling out $68M to a retiree 10 seasons from now for a decade will have zero impact on what they'll be able to afford for payroll in 2040.

 

I honestly dont know how the rest of MLB can allow this to continue into the next CBA.

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, SF70 said:

I don’t understand how any Brewers fan would want to suffer thru missed seasons for there to be changes to baseball’s economic structures.

We are so far ahead of every non-Dodger team in this sport it’s amazing and it’s wonderful. I’ll take a powerhouse Dodgers team every year for the next decade because we are also going to be right there with them, most years, for at least this next decade, but probably longer. 

The thought of losing 1 full championship season, let alone multiple seasons in an attempt to destroy the players union is asinine. The damage to the game could take decades to overcome if ever. And why? For a hard cap? No —

Continue to make gains that make the soft-cap stronger. Stronger penalties that hurt the infrastructure AND pocketbook of the behemoths, and transfer more money to the small & medium market teams. More international $ for the SM teams. Another competitive-balance pick as well. This is the realistic way to even things out and can be done so the game and fans don’t suffer because of a union-busting attempt.

Brainpower vs $

Yes the Dodgers have brainpower and $, but MKE has even more brainpower than the LAD and now an infrastructure every bit as good as them, maybe even better.

The most talented team doesn’t always win the WS. Too much variance to the game. Top 5 talent with a top 1-2 FO over an extended period of time will get it done.

I get it, but the Brewers have had a really well run front office for a decade, played in a division that hasn't had a huge disparity in payroll because the Cubs were borderline incompetent for a good chunk of this stretch, and still dont have a WS appearance to show for it....largely due to the Dodgers.  Basically, having everything go perfectly for the Brewers has led to them winning nothing in October/November when it matters most.

[torts]

Another year, another WS win for the team that eliminated the Brewers.  

[Recovering Chicagoan]

5 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think the Brewers are plenty close. The competitive nature of TOR/SEA and then TOR/LAD makes me think we just gassed out at a very bad time. Woodruff was big. Then our horses just didn't hit. Perhaps taking out the Cubs was the catharsis for our guys and they just couldn't get going after.

Obviously, baseball has structural problems. But if Smith's toe came off the bag, or the catch isn't made, or any number of things, the "we need a cap now" talk is far more muted. This is our first repeat in quite some time, baseball does offer lots of parity. Everyone is sick of the Dodgers being there, yes. I just don't quite feel that it's hopeless for MKE, though.

I agree that it's not hopeless. But for the Brewers to win the WS, everything has to go their way through the WS. Obviously that hasn't happened thus far. (It came close in 1982, of course.)

[dlk9s]

6 hours ago, treego14 said:

Some feel like this regarding this World Series ... no doubt, an exaggeration, but kinda' funny, too ... a little slap back to those saying USA>Canada ....

The guys in the "Dodgers players" part of this image are Korean. The real Dodgers players are Japanese.

[SF70]

4 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I get it, but the Brewers have had a really well run front office for a decade, played in a division that hasn't had a huge disparity in payroll because the Cubs were borderline incompetent for a good chunk of this stretch, and still dont have a WS appearance to show for it....largely due to the Dodgers.  Basically, having everything go perfectly for the Brewers has led to them winning nothing in October/November when it matters most.

It took nearly a decade for the team to complete their infrastructure re-build and have that infrastructure acquire and develop homegrown talent on both sides of the ball that can now compete with the behemoths.

That talent is maturing each and every year, gaining experience and improving. IMO, the golden age of Brewers baseball is just beginning. 

We now have an organization that can compete with any team including the Dodgers.

[Jimbo]

And now for something completely different: no sign of Marlins Man in Toronto.  Passport issues?

 

[yourout]

I don't think this got talked enough about.... the dodgers defense is a huge part of why they repeated and it started all the way back against the Phillies

They make play after play after play when it mattered most.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, Jimbo said:

And now for something completely different: no sign of Marlins Man in Toronto.  Passport issues?

 

Their fans kept their tickets off of the secondary market.

[Recovering Chicagoan]

23 minutes ago, yourout said:

I don't think this got talked enough about.... the dodgers defense is a huge part of why they repeated and it started all the way back against the Phillies

They make play after play after play when it mattered most.

True. They made some stellar defensive plays.

It has to be an absolute gut punch for Jays fans for the Jays to lose like that. I'd rather see the Brewers lose by several runs in a game seven of the WS than watch them lose in that manner. (I'd still be very disappointed, of course, but losing by several runs at least softens the blow.)

Case in point: Although obviously not the same as the WS, Devin Williams blowing the save and the game against the Mets was a gut punch. I'd rather the Brewers lost that game by five or six runs, getting behind early and never really threatening.

 

[da swedish german]

8 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

The economic imbalance in MLB has led to half the league being irrelevant no matter what they do.  

 

The Dodgers basically took the regular season off and slep-walked their way to a division title against teams besides the Rockies that spent beyond their means to try and "keep up with the Joneses".   They'll be able to do the same thing over and over again.  Their economic advantage over the rest of MLB allows them to pay the best player of all time $2M in real dollars per year through his prime in order to pay the rest of their all star team more, because shelling out $68M to a retiree 10 seasons from now for a decade will have zero impact on what they'll be able to afford for payroll in 2040.

 

I honestly dont know how the rest of MLB can allow this to continue into the next CBA.

it's congruent with literally everything else in modern life.  it's worse then before, and getting worse with no end in sight.  

live a hedonistic life until the civil war starts, then fights as hard as you feel like.....or don't. nothing matters in the end

[RobertCrawley]

4 hours ago, SF70 said:

It took nearly a decade for the team to complete their infrastructure re-build and have that infrastructure acquire and develop homegrown talent on both sides of the ball that can now compete with the behemoths.

That talent is maturing each and every year, gaining experience and improving. IMO, the golden age of Brewers baseball is just beginning. 

We now have an organization that can compete with any team including the Dodgers.

I want to believe.

[titanrick]

It's a fun thought exercise to imagine the Dodgers losing their two best players each year and the Brewers signing the two best players in free agency each year for 8-10 years.  I wonder how we would do in that scenario...

[treego14]

23 hours ago, dlk9s said:

The guys in the "Dodgers players" part of this image are Korean. The real Dodgers players are Japanese.

Thank you for that clarification!