Brewers (Woodruff) vs Nationals (Littell): 4/12/26, 1:10pm

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Jett and Pratt actually have talent. The guys the Brewers are trotting out everyday have a large sample of being cheeks. It's worth a shot. It quite literally could not be worse. 

It could most definitely be worse. Williams and Pratt are hitting just as bad as the current left side of the infield and they are doing it facing AAA pitching.

[adambr2]

12 minutes ago, yourout said:

Can Frelick be sent back down to work on things?

Not really, he’s like only the 3rd biggest problem in the outfield right now.

[BruisedCrew]

35 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

So you're saying the 2 time manager of the year is just along for the ride? Interesting 

No, what I have said very clearly is that the manager gets too much credit and too much blame. 

You seem to be saying that the two time manger of the year is a fraud, or that he has suddenly lost his touch when presented with a “paper thin roster”. 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

2 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

In the 80s he would have been awesome with his glove work. See Ozzie Smith. These days he's a killer. 

I don't think Pratt is that far off in ability compared to Ortiz. 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

It could most definitely be worse. Williams and Pratt are hitting just as bad as the current left side of the infield and they are doing it facing AAA pitching.

I disagree, I don't care about a small sample of AAA statistics. They have real talent and hit tools. The current options do not. 

[Brian]

All aboard the pain train! 

How does the MLB not see that teams run short on pitching every single year and account for many injuries.  Why not just expand the roster by one and add a pitcher? 

[Bulldogboy]

15 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

No, what I have said very clearly is that the manager gets too much credit and too much blame. 

You seem to be saying that the two time manger of the year is a fraud, or that he has suddenly lost his touch when presented with a “paper thin roster”. 

My position is Murphy had pretty good rosters and his shortcomings as a game manager were not as important. This year the roster is worse and he isn't going to be able to make up for it. Simple position. 

[wiguy94]

16 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

I disagree, I don't care about a small sample of AAA statistics. They have real talent and hit tools. The current options do not. 

If they have real talent and hit tools then why have they stunk it up in AAA to start the year in both surface level numbers and underlying numbers?

[trwi7]

5 minutes ago, Brian said:

All aboard the pain train! 

How does the MLB not see that teams run short on pitching every single year and account for many injuries.  Why not just expand the roster by one and add a pitcher? 

Would Murphy even use extra pitchers or just keep throwing the same four guys out there?

[Brian]

1 minute ago, trwi7 said:

Would Murphy even use extra pitchers or just keep throwing the same four guys out there?

Your probably right, we already pick up DFA' d players from other teams. 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

If they have real talent and hit tools then why have they stunk it up in AAA to start the year in both surface level numbers and underlying numbers?

Because it is a sample of 14 games in a game of high variance and NO ONE should make any conclusions based on a small subset of data.

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Because it is a sample of 14 games in a game of high variance and NO ONE should make any conclusions based on a small subset of data.

Shouldn't that also apply to the guys on the MLB roster that you want to replace?

[Brian]

11 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

Would Murphy even use extra pitchers or just keep throwing the same four guys out there?

I guess it is more of an Attanasio issue then with paying quality pitchers. 

[BruisedCrew]

22 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

My position is Murphy had pretty good rosters and his shortcomings as a game manager were not as important. This year the roster is worse and he isn't going to be able to make up for it. Simple position. 

So, do you think he deserved to be Manager of the Year?
 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, trwi7 said:

Remember when we traded Williams for Durbin and Cortes and Cortes was so bad we felt the need to trade him along with a prospect to San Diego for Lockridge and then to compound it all we actually think Lockridge is good and play him way too much?

Arnold looks like a genius when the formula is working. He looks like a buffoon with the second tier roster when it isn’t.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Shouldn't that also apply to the guys on the MLB roster that you want to replace?

Luis Rengifo had a 73 wRC+ in 541 PAs last year, Joey Ortiz had a 67 wRC+ in 506 PAs last year (54 this year). Sample matters. At some point these guys are who they are.  

The logic that "if they struggle in AAA, they’ll be worse in MLB" ignores how player development actually works. Every prospect faces a "jump" where they have to adjust to better scouting and more experienced pitching

The real question isn't whether the prospects will struggle it’s about the ceiling.

Ortiz and Rengifo have shown theirs. They are players who can't barrel MLB velocity and pitching. There is no mystery left to solve there. Ortiz glove is the only thing saving him from playing for the Savanah Bananas.

Williams and Pratt are finding their footing. Even if they come up and produce a 70 wRC+ (the same as the current guys), you’re at least giving those reps to players who have the potential to adapt and become 120 wRC+ anchors. I also think Pratt has just a tick worse glove than Ortiz. Still well above average. 

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Luis Rengifo had a 73 wRC+ in 541 PAs last year, Joey Ortiz had a 67 wRC+ in 506 PAs last year (54 this year). Sample matters. At some point these guys are who they are.  

The logic that "if they struggle in AAA, they’ll be worse in MLB" ignores how player development actually works. Every prospect faces a "jump" where they have to adjust to better scouting and more experienced pitching

The real question isn't whether the prospects will struggle it’s about the ceiling.

Ortiz and Rengifo have shown theirs. They are players who can't barrel MLB velocity and pitching. There is no mystery left to solve there. Ortiz glove is the only thing saving him from playing for the Savanah Bananas.

Williams and Pratt are finding their footing. Even if they come up and produce a 70 wRC+ (the same as the current guys), you’re at least giving those reps to players who have the potential to adapt and become 120 wRC+ anchors. I also think Pratt has just a tick worse glove than Ortiz. Still well above average. 

I never said they will be worse. I just disagreed with you comment saying "they can't possibly be worse"

[BruisedCrew]

According to Adam McCalvy, the Brewers are expecting “bad news“ on Yelich as the preliminary examination found fluid in his tight hamstring.

[wallus]

You can always tell by the posters that come out of the woodworks when the team is struggling.

I am certainly annoyed at the play right now but will wait until later in the season to get worried.

[Jopal78]

24 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

According to Adam McCalvy, the Brewers are expecting “bad news“ on Yelich as the preliminary examination found fluid in his tight hamstring.

There is going to be “fluid” around any injury it’s called inflammation and part of the body’s healing process. 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

56 minutes ago, wallus said:

You can always tell by the posters that come out of the woodworks when the team is struggling.

I am certainly annoyed at the play right now but will wait until later in the season to get worried.

I am normally more optimistic. But with the serious injuries this team has had to the keystone players of the offense it is difficult not to get worried. Yelich out for an extended period now really could put the team in a major hole. Turang and Wild Bill can't do it all! The bullpen's stuff has completely regressed. Some of the young starters are off to a slow start as well as the  "everyday" players we are trotting out there. It is a good thing we have the best and deepest farm in baseball. Keeps the season interesting no matter what! Hopefully Chourio comes back without missing a beat and make it a moot point. 

[greenlawler]

Don't love the slump, too early to panic. I can't remember a time we lost 5 in a row last year? 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, wallus said:

You can always tell by the posters that come out of the woodworks when the team is struggling.

I am certainly annoyed at the play right now but will wait until later in the season to get worried.

I've always found that hilarious. One or two in particular, it's as if they receive notices on their phone whenever the team loses 3-4 in a row:

"Time to hit Brewerfan & do my half-critical, half-try-to-be-funny schtick".

What bothered me today was Woodruff getting pulled after six. The postgame comments seemed to indicate that the philosophy is to always defer to the BP if it's rested & guys are available. Woodruff throwing a strong 6th inning & still at a decent pitch count apparently had nothing to do with it, and IMO that's a horrible mistake. I was really, really hoping Uribe pitched a clean 7th because I was going to b**** about the decision even then; now it sounds like hindsight. But the moment I saw him in "I'm relaxing, I'm done" mode in the dugout after working the 6th I was severely ticked off.

This, after you get 2.1 innings from your opener on Friday & STILL need to go to the pen in the 6th, and get a scoreless 4 innings Saturday but need to go to the pen with one out in the 5th. That's stuff that would be much more likely to derail long-term success than offensive struggles IMO.

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

17 minutes ago, greenlawler said:

Don't love the slump, too early to panic. I can't remember a time we lost 5 in a row last year? 

 

Never happened.

[yourout]

7 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Never happened.

Not sure of the last time we lost 5 in a row but I know it didn't happen last year and it's been a long time.