Cubs (Rolison/Wicks) vs Brewers (Woodruff): 6/28/26, 1:10pm

[baseball101]

26 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Was it a hot take when we said the offense needed to pick it up last September?

They beat the Cubs but got shutdown by the Dodgers rotation? Wow, what an insightful prediction! Only the best pitching staff in baseball.

[Jim French Stepstool]

18 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

It’s not even July 1st!? Surely the Angels, or any seller, will wait a month so teams get desperate and they can get the best talent back in return. So unless by “reasonable” you mean an offer they can’t refuse, a trade for quality relievers isn’t going to happen anytime soon. 

That's what people need to understand. The earlier you make a trade, the more it's going to cost you. That's why in June you see a team pick up a Joel Kuhnel, or the team we just played grab some people for their staff that we made look much better than they actually are. But when you lose a couple, that all takes a backseat to 😫😫DO SOMETHING 😫😫!!!! 

I'm sure they're talking to other teams & have been for awhile. But they aren't going to engage in desperation.

[BruisedCrew]

28 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Really? With Suppan, Braden Looper, Dave Bush a bunch of SPs with ERAs over 5. You must love punishment. Haha.

FWIW Brewers took 2 of 3 from the Phillies a couple weeks back, and lost the rubber match against the Braves on a 2 run walk off homer in the bottom of the 9th. I would say they gave those teams all they could handle 

The 2 games the Brewers won against the Phillies and the one they almost won (horseshoes anyone?) against the Braves were started by Misiorowski and Harrison. When those guys start the Brewers have a good chance to be in the game. But it still takes runs to win, often more than 2  

Unlike some here, I am not looking at the playoffs. A lot can change between now and then. But I am, and have been, concerned about what’s going to happen in the next two weeks when 2/3 of the games will be started by others with only a 7 man bullpen backing them up and no days off to reset. 

The way to,win  these games is by scoring a lot of runs, and this team cannot do that consistently now. Just looking at tomorrow, who comes in if Gasser gets into early trouble? And who finishes if they have a 2-1 lead after 5 innings?

The Reds have a generally weak offense, but they just scored 19:runs over the weekend against the Pirates. They also started scoring in the final game of the series last week once they got to the Brewers B bullpen, some of the pitchers they will be facing tomorrow..

[baseball101]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

That's what people need to understand. The earlier you make a trade, the more it's going to cost you. That's why in June you see a team pick up a Joel Kuhnel, or the team we just played grab some people for their staff that we made look much better than they actually are. But when you lose a couple, that all takes a backseat to 😫😫DO SOMETHING 😫😫!!!! 

I'm sure they're talking to other teams & have been for awhile. But they aren't going to engage in desperation.

Most on this board think management is incompetent. Our GM “needs to be held accountable “ per one poster. Still looking for what accountable means.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 minutes ago, baseball101 said:

Most on this board think management is incompetent. Our GM “needs to be held accountable “ per one poster. Still looking for what accountable means.

I'm not sure but I think it has something to do with thumbscrews.

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, baseball101 said:

Most on this board think management is incompetent. Our GM “needs to be held accountable “ per one poster. Still looking for what accountable means.

Embellishment of the century. There’s loads of threads and posts on this board praising both the front office and management on this team. 95% of people here know what we have.  

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, titletownking said:

I mean we kind of are. Our best bats in the bottom half with Ortiz on 2nd. 

Kuhnel is garbage

[Brian]

6 minutes ago, baseball101 said:

Most on this board think management is incompetent. Our GM “needs to be held accountable “ per one poster. Still looking for what accountable means.

They should just start following the Mets then. 

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, Brian said:

No one available every one played.

My post was not a question 

I was commenting on the poor decision making that put us in that position 

[Bulldogboy]

54 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

For the record that pitcher had just walked one guy..

The pitch was in the strike zone in a spot where it could have been driven to left field. Unfortunately he popped it up. If he had hit it down the left field line and driven in the winning runs I don’t think you would have complained about him swinging at it. 

So in other words it was a good ab by Bauers? This is the type of nonsense that you get by some here. The job didn't get done so let's make up a reason why and count ourselves lucky we got to pay to watch it. Ridiculous. 

[Bulldogboy]

13 minutes ago, baseball101 said:

Most on this board think management is incompetent. Our GM “needs to be held accountable “ per one poster. Still looking for what accountable means.

Handful of posters like yourself who just are thankful they get to but 14 dollar beers and win the division. There are some pushing for more. Funny thing is the same guys ok with Brewers were calling for Lafluers head with Packers. 

[Bulldogboy]

1 hour ago, BruisedCrew said:

For the record that pitcher had just walked one guy..

The pitch was in the strike zone in a spot where it could have been driven to left field. Unfortunately he popped it up. If he had hit it down the left field line and driven in the winning runs I don’t think you would have complained about him swinging at it. 

Why are you swinging at a pitch off the plate trying to slap it to left in that spot? Pick a pitch to drive and at least hit a sac fly. Terrible ab and terrible take

[Jim French Stepstool]

8 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

My post was not a question 

I was commenting on the poor decision making that put us in that position 

You could've:

Not used Contreras when you did & have Hamilton hit vs a LHP, or

Left Contreras in the game after he PH. In that case Ortiz is coming up in the 6-hole.

It sucked getting hamstrung like that. But welcome to modern baseball, where you only have four bench players & half of your roster has to be pitchers.

[trwi7]

20 minutes ago, baseball101 said:

Most on this board think management is incompetent. Our GM “needs to be held accountable “ per one poster. Still looking for what accountable means.

I think management is afraid to rock the boat and they need to get out of the mindset that anything can happen in the playoffs.  That's true to some extent but we certainly don't go out of our way to improve our chances at all and it's led to one playoff series win and 5-16 record in the playoffs since 2018.

[trwi7]

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[yourout]

3 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

You could've:

Not used Contreras when you did & have Hamilton hit vs a LHP, or

Left Contreras in the game after he PH. In that case Ortiz is coming up in the 6-hole.

It sucked getting hamstrung like that. But welcome to modern baseball, where you only have four bench players & half of your roster has to be pitchers.

And subing out Vaughn in a tie game.

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, yourout said:

And subing out Vaughn in a tie game.

That didn't end up mattering. Mitchell hit in that spot next time around and drew a bases loaded walk.

[Local Man Brewer Fan]

Rough one. Hitters appear to be trying to do too much. They were swinging at many balls out of the strike zone today.

The offense hung the pitching staff out to dry today. I hate to see that happen against the Cubs, we let them off the hook today. 

Of course, games like this, as much as they are frustrating, are part of the journey of a massively long season.

Buckle in, it will be worth it.

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, yourout said:

And subing out Vaughn in a tie game.

I understand the reasoning behind that. We wanted to get Bauers out of RF & strengthen 1B. But yeah, it wasn't a lead, it was tied. So while I get it it's certainly something that can be questioned in the moment.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, Local Man Brewer Fan said:

Rough one. Hitters appear to be trying to do too much. They were swinging at many balls out of the strike zone today.

The offense hung the pitching staff out to dry today. I hate to see that happen against the Cubs, we let them off the hook today. 

Of course, games like this, as much as they are frustrating, are part of the journey of a massively long season.

Buckle in, it will be worth it.

Welcome to Brewer Fanatic!

[iKezims]

Maybe I have an alternate opinion on Kuhnel, but his stuff plays just fine, he just isn't a leverage arm that he is being forced into being. Obviously he wasn't good today. I don't think we just scream "DFA" because of it. Because in order to do that you need a better option available. If you think Drew Rom solves that problem, then the problem is not solvable internally. The offense should of done their job and never even got us in the position they were in today. So of course we are going to magnify everything else. The cost of a reliever right now is going to be higher than in 4 weeks. 

In terms of Pratt, I feel for the kid because when every vet/leader around him is struggling, he is pressing to produce which can't be good for the psyche. He needs some stress free at bats, and for those to happen those around him need to be able to do their jobs. But book might be out on the high fastball. He even knew it was coming and couldn't lay off. It's like MLB 101 to lay off of that pitch. Looking at you Keston. 

Last six games were disgusting to watch, (and I went to the Vegas series!). But let's not let the offenses struggles magnify the pitching staff. Sure, the pen hasn't been good (Ashby, Patrick), but offense is doing no favors in the positions they are ending up in. Our starting pitching has done their part and more.

No one in here is going to have the solution. Lara call up doesn't solve anything. It starts with better at bats which up until this last 10ish game stretch, have been good. So identify what changed, and address it. If that means Danny Beef as a scapegoat at some point then so be it. But one thing is becoming clear is this team needs a right-handed hitting OF bat (I don't think switch hitter Perkins/Lara solves this). 

Also at what point does Fischer just get the call? Maybe this is a pipe dream, but if we are content with horrible at bats from Ortiz, I rather they come from someone who can run into one every now and again. If our starting pitching remains elite, we can probably take the defensive hit. Alright this rant is over. We are blessed/cursed that we get to have this ***** session with a 5.5 game lead and 19-game over record. But boy did the last 10 games no matter the record expose the weak-points this team has. 

[baseball101]

25 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

I think management is afraid to rock the boat and they need to get out of the mindset that anything can happen in the playoffs.  That's true to some extent but we certainly don't go out of our way to improve our chances at all and it's led to one playoff series win and 5-16 record in the playoffs since 2018.

Is that the “Stearns and CC” Management or “Arnold and Murph” management?

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 minutes ago, iKezims said:

Maybe I have an alternate opinion on Kuhnel, but his stuff plays just fine, he just isn't a leverage arm that he is being forced into being. Obviously he wasn't good today. I don't think we just scream "DFA" because of it. Because in order to do that you need a better option available. If you think Drew Rom solves that problem, then the problem is not solvable internally. The offense should of done their job and never even got us in the position they were in today. So of course we are going to magnify everything else. The cost of a reliever right now is going to be higher than in 4 weeks. 

In terms of Pratt, I feel for the kid because when every vet/leader around him is struggling, he is pressing to produce which can't be good for the psyche. He needs some stress free at bats, and for those to happen those around him need to be able to do their jobs. But book might be out on the high fastball. He even knew it was coming and couldn't lay off. It's like MLB 101 to lay off of that pitch. Looking at you Keston. 

Last six games were disgusting to watch, (and I went to the Vegas series!). But let's not let the offenses struggles magnify the pitching staff. Sure, the pen hasn't been good (Ashby, Patrick), but offense is doing no favors in the positions they are ending up in. Our starting pitching has done their part and more.

No one in here is going to have the solution. Lara call up doesn't solve anything. It starts with better at bats which up until this last 10ish game stretch, have been good. So identify what changed, and address it. If that means Danny Beef as a scapegoat at some point then so be it. But one thing is becoming clear is this team needs a right-handed hitting OF bat (I don't think switch hitter Perkins/Lara solves this). 

Also at what point does Fischer just get the call? Maybe this is a pipe dream, but if we are content with horrible at bats from Ortiz, I rather they come from someone who can run into one every now and again. If our starting pitching remains elite, we can probably take the defensive hit. Alright this rant is over. We are blessed/cursed that we get to have this ***** session with a 5.5 game lead and 19-game over record. But boy did the last 10 games no matter the record expose the weak-points this team has. 

Damn, that's a nice post. 

I don't think Vogelbach has the appropriate amount of influence to be a scapegoat. That doesn't mean he's a good hitting coach; I have no idea. I DO know many of the ABs over the last couple of games were in no way, shape or form anything like his approach as a hitter.

I mentioned Fischer in another thread. The only way I see him coming to Milwaukee in '26 is if he continues to hit HRs at a ridiculous pace AND there's a crapload of ABs available in the DH slot, which would mean Yelich getting hurt. At this point they aren't going to play him at 3B.

I agree that it starts with the ABs currently on the roster being better; which is no pipe dream because they HAVE been better, often vs pitching much better than what we saw the last two days.

 

[rickh150]

I am surprised they listed the starters ALREADY for this series. All the games? I get listing Monday and Tuesday. Listing Drohan for Thursday? I'd like him pitching middle relief tomorrow or Tuesday if need be.  I think we are boxing ourselves in for tomorrow and maybe even Tuesday.

[BruisedCrew]

39 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

So in other words it was a good ab by Bauers? This is the type of nonsense that you get by some here. The job didn't get done so let's make up a reason why and count ourselves lucky we got to pay to watch it. Ridiculous. 

 

32 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Why are you swinging at a pitch off the plate trying to slap it to left in that spot? Pick a pitch to drive and at least hit a sac fly. Terrible ab and terrible take

I did not say that was  a good AB, but I am saying that it was not a situation where he should have been taking no matter what. There is a difference between a bad AB and a bad result.

That pitch was not “off the plate”. It was clearly a strike and not particularly close to the bottom or the outside part of the strike zone. Against a LHP that might be where he was looking for a pitch to drive to the opposite field.

You make it sound so easy to just poke out a sac fly. Like I said if he had hit that pitch down the left field line and driven in two runs, I don’t think anyone would have been saying “Boy, did he get lucky, he shouldn’t have been swinging at that pitch”

I’m as upset as anyone about these two games and the current state of the offense and the pitching staff, especially the bullpen. But, let’s at least get the facts straight and base our opinions on them.

When you say the pitcher had just walked 3 guys and that the pitch Bauer swung at was out of the strike zone, your opinion loses a lot of credibility.