Dodger Trade Speculation...

[Trail]

Thinking about this just a little bit (pause, and reflect?) let’s also not forget that Skubal had minor elbow surgery earlier this year. His performance since that has been pretty darn good… however, I was looking at the numbers and it seems they really did rush him back just a little bit. 54 pitches in his rehab start and immediately up to 80 and his first MLB start. Been over 90 since then. Maybe I am just used to how the Brewers run their show… That seems a little fast for me. What if the Brewers were a little bit concerned about his late season durability, given the price? I’d like to hear a response from somebody who follows this stuff a little closer than I do. Did the Tigers rushing back just a little as far as pitch count is concerned?  

[nate82]

15 hours ago, ImissDougMelvin said:

The equivalent prospects from the brewers system would have been Adamczewski, Braylon Payne and Blake Burke.

That doesn't get the deal done for the Tigers and while the equivalent prospects are close or better than the Dodgers offer it doesn't mean it would have been valued higher by the Tigers.  The Tigers wanted a top 25 prospect and they got that with Hope and a near or MLB ready starting pitcher which they received in Ryan.  The third piece is just a throw in at that point.  While Adamczewski would be the equivalent of Hope talent wise he is ranked outside of the top 25.  Payne isn't ranked at all and the same for Burke.

The Brewers didn't have the River Ryan piece and they would have had to deal from their MLB roster to fulfill that portion of the trade.  A more equivalent trade would have been something like Henderson, Pena and Coleman Crow or someone similar.  That would have beat the Dodgers offer significantly and would fall under the overpay.  

Having to include someone like Henderson would have been a non starter for the Brewers and I don't see a prospect they could have switched Henderson out for that the Tigers would have been interested in.  The prospect would have needed to be MLB ready or near MLB ready.  The Brewers don't have that pitching prospect.  You can't just say oh this is the equivalent and they should have done that.  You are forgetting the part where the Tigers also have to accept it.  For all we know Adamczewski, Payne and Burke was the Brewers offer and the Tigers said no we don't like that deal and went with the Dodgers deal instead.  It takes two to tango.  

[cragi]

Tigers were demanding pitching and the Dodgers gave them 2 pitchers. The caliber of pitcher they demanded from the Brewers (Henderson) was a non-starter as, before even talking Pena, it would hamper Brewers long-term without a significant, definitive short-term upgrade. Had they said Sproat, Gasser, or Drohan, that might have been a more reasonable ask by the Tigers

[ImissDougMelvin]

19 minutes ago, cragi said:

Tigers were demanding pitching and the Dodgers gave them 2 pitchers. The caliber of pitcher they demanded from the Brewers (Henderson) was a non-starter as, before even talking Pena, it would hamper Brewers long-term without a significant, definitive short-term upgrade. Had they said Sproat, Gasser, or Drohan, that might have been a more reasonable ask by the Tigers

How do we know what the long term looks like? You don't, we don't and I don't. Right? Who has more impact for THIS year? Skubal or Henderson? I can't predict the future, for all we know none of the Brewers prospects will amount to much, then what? Then they wasted a golden opportunity to "go for it", even if it didn't work. 

[cragi]

Im not saying Skubal isnt the better pitcher, he is, but he is coming off serious injury and henderson's numbers were on par.  Taking out one of our best pitchers as part of a massive package that would likely hamper these next few years in exchanage for someone who "may" move the needle doesnt really make sense. They can likely get a high caliber pitcher without sacrificing short- and long-term pitching.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

I still can't get over how ridiculous the national discourse is. The Brewers don't want to win I guess. "Should have just added Henderson." Ok he is a mainstay in the rotation currently and him ALONE holds more value than what the Tigers got. You'd think folks would know this. If Henderson was pitching in NY this would be a whole different story. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 hours ago, nate82 said:

 You can't just say oh this is the equivalent and they should have done that.  You are forgetting the part where the Tigers also have to accept it.  For all we know Adamczewski, Payne and Burke was the Brewers offer and the Tigers said no we don't like that deal and went with the Dodgers deal instead.  It takes two to tango.  

You're right. And that's why I'm always hesitant to rip on the team not acquiring someone that we had hopes might be acquired. Tell me what Skubal (or whoever) would've taken, and I'd have an opinion. Of course, criticizing is always easier 🙄.

I might've been fine with dealing Henderson for Skubal if we had 120 million lying around to throw at a replacement.

[Playing Catch]

17 hours ago, ImissDougMelvin said:

How do we know what the long term looks like? You don't, we don't and I don't. Right? Who has more impact for THIS year? Skubal or Henderson? I can't predict the future, for all we know none of the Brewers prospects will amount to much, then what? Then they wasted a golden opportunity to "go for it", even if it didn't work. 

How do you know that the Tigers didn't want any of our prospects because they don't think any of them will pan out?

[wallus]

Is Brewers888 back in different form or am I missing something here?

[TURBO]

27 minutes ago, wallus said:

Is Brewers888 back in different form or am I missing something here?

The similarities are uncanny...

[brewers888]

1 hour ago, wallus said:

Is Brewers888 back in different form or am I missing something here?

I can assure you that I am not pining for Doug Melvin and am a big fan of Arnold and his front office staff.

[narwhalattack]

I’m surprised there is someone pining for Doug Melvin. His tenure wasn’t bad and the trades back then were more flashy than it is today, but it’s not as if the end result was markedly better. Plus the farm system was consistently below-average, our development/scouting of international prospects was relatively primitive compared to how it is today, and we actually had non-competitive seasons mixed in with the highs.