Brewers (Misiorowski) vs Mets (Manaea): 08/27/26, 6:10 PM

[yourout]

5 minutes ago, jason21nl said:

It would be super sweet if Vaughn could dig ball out of the dirt.  

That was a tough one.....in between and pulled towards right field

[willie key]

Haven’t the brewers defensive metrics this year been pretty meh.    

[jason21nl]

Gary might actually be dumb.  

[adambr2]

Of all the boneheaded challenges in situations that didn’t even matter that Sanchez has concussed himself banging on his head this season and two potentially crucial pitches in key situations this inning he’s said “nah I’m good.”

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

We talk a lot about challenges and blame individuals for them (which is largely fair), but I think the bigger problem is the Brewers don't seem to have a challenge strategy. There's no real philosophy there, and it seems to result in guys being basically no better than random. If anything, it seems like the catchers are empowered to challenge at will, and everyone else is treated as "you better be right."

Part of the reason it sticks out is that the Brewers are so good at having coherent approaches in literally every other aspect of the game. My money is on them getting there with ABS, but I feel like you could do worse than just giving guys simple rules. Don't challenge until there's two strikes, for example. Or only challenge after the 4th to start and then not until the 6th if you lose. Or only with runners on base. I don't even care what the specific rules are, but there's enough data by now that you'd think a couple of easy heuristics would help. Doubt they could hurt.

EDIT: You could even tailor this to individual guys. Give them parts of the plate (you only challenge inside/high/etc., depending on which pitches the player tends to see best).

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

We talk a lot about challenges and blame individuals for them (which is largely fair), but I think the bigger problem is the Brewers don't seem to have a challenge strategy. There's no real philosophy there, and it seems to result in guys being basically no better than random. If anything, it seems like the catchers are empowered to challenge at will, and everyone else is treated as "you better be right."

Part of the reason it sticks out is that the Brewers are so good at having coherent approaches in literally every other aspect of the game. My money is on them getting there with ABS, but I feel like you could do worse than just giving guys simple rules. Don't challenge until there's two strikes, for example. Or only challenge after the 4th to start and then not until the 6th if you lose. Or only with runners on base. I don't even care what the specific rules are, but there's enough data by now that you'd think a couple of easy heuristics would help. Doubt they could hurt.

You do need some structure to it. They seem to just pretty much let guys do whatever they wanna do. That’s probably not the right approach. 

I’m hoping this is something that the analytics team will dig a little deeper into during the offseason and we’ll see a little more structure in the 2027 season. 

[StearnsFTW]

23 minutes ago, willie key said:

He’s been really bad with runners in scoring position.   It’s not that bad of a take

 

and i like Chourio.  But he’s not exactly wrong 

Do you think it's possible that there's some noise in the numbers?

 

Would you rather have a poor hitter up or a good one?

[folly412]

2 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

We talk a lot about challenges and blame individuals for them (which is largely fair), but I think the bigger problem is the Brewers don't seem to have a challenge strategy. There's no real philosophy there, and it seems to result in guys being basically no better than random. If anything, it seems like the catchers are empowered to challenge at will, and everyone else is treated as "you better be right."

Part of the reason it sticks out is that the Brewers are so good at having coherent approaches in literally every other aspect of the game. My money is on them getting there with ABS, but I feel like you could do worse than just giving guys simple rules. Don't challenge until there's two strikes, for example. Or only challenge after the 4th to start and then not until the 6th if you lose. Or only with runners on base. I don't even care what the specific rules are, but there's enough data by now that you'd think a couple of easy heuristics would help. Doubt they could hurt.

EDIT: You could even tailor this to individual guys. Give them parts of the plate (you only challenge inside/high/etc., depending on which pitches the player tends to see best).

Kind of weird they were thinking of it enough in spring training to be displaying color-coded cards in the dugout that told players when they were allowed to challenge based on the situation, yet we're five months into the season and they still haven't been able to pass down what those situations were and have the players just learn them.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Somewhat on the topic, that 0-1 to Chourio is why I'm hoping we can hold the line at ABS challenges for awhile. That pitch is an ABS strike, but it really shouldn't be a real one when you watch it come in and see how badly it missed.

CHOURIO!

[Yaz]

JACK JACK SQUARED!!!!!!

[wallus]

That was one heck of a day off for Jackson

[jason21nl]

Boooooom!!!   My god his hands are so quick

[edfunderburk]

That was beautiful … Chourio rocks!

[Branyanisthegoat]

Rally killer strikes again, nothing kills a rally like a home run.

[folly412]

We can call that one the Dribbler n' Launch.

[Outlander]

That will improve Chourio's RISP numbers.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

You do need some structure to it. They seem to just pretty much let guys do whatever they wanna do. That’s probably not the right approach. 

I’m hoping this is something that the analytics team will dig a little deeper into during the offseason and we’ll see a little more structure in the 2027 season. 

Yeah, I have to remind myself we're still in the first year of this. It feels like we've been doing it forever. Time to adjust, for sure.

[willie key]

Big day for Chourio.    He can get streaky 

[yourout]

Boom shaka laka.

That was a missile.

[StearnsFTW]

Disappointment IMO

[adambr2]

Bears repeating, Chourio is 22.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

1 minute ago, folly412 said:

Kind of weird they were thinking of it enough in spring training to be displaying color-coded cards in the dugout that told players when they were allowed to challenge based on the situation, yet we're five months into the season and they still haven't been able to pass down what those situations were and have the players just learn them.

This is the part I find baffling. The only explanation I can think of is that the Brewers maybe believe the whole thing is basically random, and you lose as much by having guys think about it too hard than just by letting them gut it.

But then you'd think you'd at least give situational guidance. Will be interesting to follow.

[wiguy94]

Lara looked so bad against that Curry guy for whatever reason. He's the only guy who struck out against him and he did it twice!

[yourout]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

Bears repeating, Chourio is 22.

Cubs are repeating.....Crap...Chourio is only 22

[adambr2]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Lara looked so bad against that Curry guy for whatever reason. He's the only guy who struck out against him and he did it twice!

Looked bad the second time. 
 

The first time.,.. it helps if your first base coach doesn’t put you in a 0-1 hole!