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That is not the issue, the issue is that added year is just not worth that much if they are 2-3 win players.

Looking at the above, it would be lucky if the Packers got pocket lint.

The Brewers have 4 OF prospects for 2 positions (I don't wan to address Yelich here, but my opinion is you keep in the OF since his bat is fine there and will not be fine for 1B or DH but that is another topic). The Brewers need to find out who is going to make it and if they need to trade someone. You right now have the perfect opportunity to evaluate a player. Use it. Part of this is I think people are really too high on Frelick, Mitchell, and Wiemer. They could break out, but to me they all look like 2-3 win players. None of the three are also that young that we can expect huge growth going forward. We just traded the last arby year on a 2-3 win OFer for spare parts.

Brosseau already has to be part of the 1B or DH platoon

Can we just not with Naquin? The Brewers already need to platoon 1B and DH, adding RF to the mix is headache inducing. So this isn't a Naquin/Anderson platoon or Naquin/Brosseau platoon, this is a Naquin/Toro platoon. Put Wiemer in RF and re-evaluate in May based upon what Wiemer and Frleick are doing and Taylor's health.

I believe the sale is based upon the Bucks being valued at $3.5 billion. So Haslam is paying like $750 million or so for Lasry's approximate 25%.

He signed a minor league contract. There is no option. Unless he has an opt out date or the Brewers promised to release him, he has no choice. Voit had a wrc+ of 102. Hiura had a 115 and Tellez had a 110. Voit is ZIPS projected at 111, Hiura 115, and Tellez 123. Hiura is 26, Tellez is 28, and Voit is 32. Voit is very limited in the field. I would not want to make a decision based upon meaningless spring training plate appearances. Voit may be here more in case Winkler isn't ready to go right away.

There is a lot of wish casting on this forum of the Brewers getting in high contact, high average, and low K players. This is not a new thing (Luis Urias was going to be new model of Brewer player who hits .300 and doesn't strike out!). But that isn't what is happening. Frelick is that, but those others are not. Mitchell and Wiemer are high K players likely with K rates near 30% or even higher. Wiemer may bring his down to mid 20s. Contreas is a pretty high K player as well, with a K rate above 25%. Turang is a low average moderate K player though his K rate of near 20% in AAA main mean a higher rate in MLB.

I thought giving up draft picks was gone and teams only received picks under the new CBA? Anyway, the QO is likely greater in one year than Winkler would get in 2 as a free agent so while possible I doubt the Brewers offer it. Letting players leave at the end of the contract is not the end of the world, especially when the opportunity cost is a FV35 prospect.

Looking at the bottom of the Brewer WAR list populated by "the next big thing". Hey, Ramon Flores is still around!

The decision is not Frelick vs Taylor. Its Frelick Vs Taylor vs Wiemer (maybe vs Mitchell). That is a lot more complicated. Wiemer hit nearly as well as Frelick in August and September in AAA without having to have really high BA. Wiemer: August .276/.319/.552 September .302/.425/.476 Frelick: August .376/.453/.462 September .354/.417/.554 It would be nice to see Frelick handed splits past A but milb.com still has issues. Wiemer has more outfield experience. Wiemer is also a year older so service time issues are less of concerns and repeating AAA is a bigger hit to his value. He also has enormous power. Now Frelick does project as a better hitter in most systems than Wiemer but that is likely due to Wiemer's bad results from AA as he was trying recover from injury. Going with the more prototypical corner outfielder in Wiemer may be a less risky decision.

OK. These both have to do with contract status in the future. To reach free agency a player needs a full 6 years of service time. If they end their six major league season with a full 6 years they are a free agent for the next season. If however, they end with 5.9 years, they are still under control of the current club in the arbitration process. A full season of credit is less than a full season (i.e. you can't just hold a player back for 1 game to prevent a full season of service) but 2 to 3 weeks should cover it (I don't remember the exact days anymore). Super 2 deals with arbitration. Typically a player requires 3 years of service to enter arbitration, but unlike free agency there is not a fixed set of time needed. Players with close to 3 years of service time after their third season will be eligible for arbitration, hence they are "Super 2" since they have less than 3 years. The cutoff date varies based upon the service time of all players in the class. Its usually about mid June but can be a week or two later so July 1st is usually safe. What does this mean then for a player? A player debuting in late April 2023 and then remaining in MLB would be under fixed contracts for 2023, 2024, and 2025. He would be arbitration eligible for 2026, 2027, 2028, 2029 becoming a free agent for 2030. Arbitration salaries tend to go 20%, 40%, 60% and 80% of free agent value so the fourth year can get costly for a really good player but its still discounted. A player debuting in July 2023 and then remaining in MLB would be under fixed contracts for 2023, 2024, 2025, and 2026. He would be arbitration eligible for 2027, 2028, and 2029 becoming a free agent for 2030. So by keeping a player down for 2.5 more months you reduce the number of arbitration years. What a team should do is really dependent on the projection for the player, if the team is currently competing and the replacements they have. Given the Brewers hope to compete it is likely more advantageous not to wait for Super 2 if they believe the prospect is significantly better than the alternative. The new ROY changes to the CBA can cause all of these calculations to fly out with players potentially receiving a full year of service time regardless of debut date. ROY is a weird vote since winners can go from solid starters to MVP level candidates. So someone like Frelick who could hit for high average or steal dozens of bases might not win a ROY but could find himself on lots of ballots in 2nd and 3rd place.

Super 2 is different than an additional year. Super 2 just makes it one less year of arbitration ( 3 instead of 4) but at the cost of close to a half season of playing time. The difference between mid April and the beginning of July.

Yes, with Love you get to start paying him before you even know if he is any good. Love's 5th year option is going to be like $25-$30 million if picked up. And then you either need to sign him long term or start the Cousin's franchise folly.

Josh McDaniel wants his QB to buy him another 5 years of development while he once again proves he's over his head. So unless Brady goes to Vegas, they are going to develop a guy. The roster is bad and little draft capital to make it better.

The Brewers need RH platoon players for both 1B and DH. That is Hiura and Brosseau right now. The Brewers likely do not believe in reverse splits.

Hey the Brewers signed a guy who projects to be about league average with the bat! What a surprise! As for splits, I guarantee the Brewers do not believe in reverse splits hence how Hiura was used. I expect Anderson to basically be the full time 3B.

O'Neill was only in 93 games last year. Tellez hit 35 HRs.

Does Hegan's 1969 count as a Brewer? I mean yes but also maybe not?

What happened is new TV deals came on line and 2020 is two years gone. MLB is awash with money and some of it is being spent.

Urias's WAR is based upon him playing 3B only half the time with the other half at SS/2B. Games: 3B 73 2B 46 SS 24

Not sure why people are gobsmacked, Navarez was worth almost 3 wins in 2021. He was worth 1 win last year. Starting caliber catcher gets low end starting catcher money.

It still feels like the part going from the Brewers to the Braves is missing. Something like Black and Zamora. If its just Ruiz, hard to see how two other teams valued him that high when no one else seems to have.

Not sure why having a 2B precludes getting a 3B

Who could the Brewers have gotten? Well the Twins traded Urshela for a 19 year old 40 grade pitching prospect.