2020-09-12: Cubs (Hendricks) at Brewers (Suter) 6:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-2 -- Hader blows save in 9th]

[wildcat83]

Hader’s lack of velocity is concerning. If he needs TJ at some point his value is completely gone. By the time he recovered he’d maybe be a half year rental in a trade.

 

He was a guy who hit 100 when he first came up.

[brewers888]

Maybe we can rally off Kimbrel.

[adambr2]

You always sell high on relievers. We will be having this discussion about Williams in a few years. Still much of the blame has to go to this punchless offense.

 

You say this repeatedly, but then also say you can't trade him unless you get a Gavin Lux quality prospect back. What do you want Stearns to do, force a trade at gunpoint?

[brewers888]

Hader’s lack of velocity is concerning. If he needs TJ at some point his value is completely gone. By the time he recovered he’d maybe be a half year rental in a trade.

 

He was a guy who hit 100 when he first came up.

 

We needed to move him last offseason or this deadline though I doubt the offers were there this season. Just have to hope he bounces back next season because we are now stuck with him.

[adambr2]

Ok that's something...now we need someone to get ahold of one...

[BruisedCrew]

That’s a season ender

 

Oh, it no doubt sucks, but this might be a smidge premature

 

Maybe, but even before this you had to wonder how the Brewers were going to navigate all of those doubleheaders. With no offense more often than not, the pitching has to be almost perfect, and they don’t have the quality or depth for that.

[Underachiever]

Boy, 2 pages ago this board was worrying about playoff matchups. That talk ended faster than Heyward’s ball left the yard

[Underachiever]

Vogelbach becomes a legend.

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Time to become a hero, Vogelbach.

[brewers888]

You always sell high on relievers. We will be having this discussion about Williams in a few years. Still much of the blame has to go to this punchless offense.

 

You say this repeatedly, but then also say you can't trade him unless you get a Gavin Lux quality prospect back. What do you want Stearns to do, force a trade at gunpoint?

 

I'd like to know what the offers were. If it was Andujar and some other garbage from the Yankees we may as well keep him. If teams were offering a good deal we should have done it.

 

Nothing in baseball is as unpredictable as relief pitching. So few guys are consistent year after year and when you can sell high on any of them you do it.

[Eye Black]

Maybe we can rally off Kimbrel.

I like the optimism. Honestly, I appreciate it.

[brewers888]

If someone wants to pay a ridiculous price for Williams I would do that in the offseason as well. I'm not looking to move top relievers for a mediocre return but when the value is high you take it.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Hader’s lack of velocity is concerning. If he needs TJ at some point his value is completely gone. By the time he recovered he’d maybe be a half year rental in a trade.

 

He was a guy who hit 100 when he first came up.

 

He was at 95. I'm not sure where this idea that Hader has regularly thrown 98, but I don't think that is necessarily true. He's been sitting at 95-96 on his fastball this year, and that is pretty much where he's at. He was hitting 97 a few times last year, but it wasn't until mid-year ... 80-100 games in.

[Underachiever]

You always sell high on relievers. We will be having this discussion about Williams in a few years. Still much of the blame has to go to this punchless offense.

 

You say this repeatedly, but then also say you can't trade him unless you get a Gavin Lux quality prospect back. What do you want Stearns to do, force a trade at gunpoint?

 

I'd like to know what the offers were. If it was Andujar and some other garbage from the Yankees we may as well keep him. If teams were offering a good deal we should have done it.

 

Nothing in baseball is as unpredictable as relief pitching. So few guys are consistent year after year and when you can sell high on any of them you do it.

Watch the game. Cheer for the Brewers.

[LouisEly]

For a vast majority of the teams who have won the World Series in the last 25 years, the average age of the players on the team has been over 30. If you trade everyone by the time they hit 27 you aren't going to win anything.

[yourout]

The squads inability to score runs is still far and away it's biggest Achilles heel.

[brewers888]

I'm not concerned with Hader's velocity. My issue is his lack of command.

[yourout]

Gamel missed one right down the chute.

[BruisedCrew]

I said this last week, but Counsell didn’t listen:

 

Don’t Use Hader on Saturday!

 

This is three disasters in a row.

[brewers888]

Time for an Arcia walk off HR.

[wildcat83]

Hader’s lack of velocity is concerning. If he needs TJ at some point his value is completely gone. By the time he recovered he’d maybe be a half year rental in a trade.

 

He was a guy who hit 100 when he first came up.

 

He was at 95. I'm not sure where this idea that Hader has regularly thrown 98, but I don't think that is necessarily true. He's been sitting at 95-96 on his fastball this year, and that is pretty much where he's at. He was hitting 97 a few times last year, but it wasn't until mid-year ... 80-100 games in.

 

His first year up he was 99/100. My wife knows nothing about baseball but loved Hader cuz he could throw 100 mph. That’s the only reason I know he threw that hard. He wasn’t that last year, and seems to lose a mph or so each year...

[brewers888]

Or not

[adambr2]

That started off looking nice ...then the murderers row of Vogelbach/Gamel/Arcia came up.

[LouisEly]

The ball wasn't in the glove on the tag on Hiura, it was in his bare hand. Might have been worth a challenge.

[brewers888]

Crushing loss. We are still in it because pretty much everyone is but this offense has to be better. The 19 runs was nice but it doesn't make up for the majority of the season being terrible.