2022 NFL Discussion Thread

[GAME05]

13 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Just put flags on them already. 

Maybe the two-hand-touch rule for QBs.

[MrTPlush]

So Adams is having such a blast playing with the Raiders he now randomly assaults people while walking off the field. Then posts some lame response on Twitter about how he instantly felt horrible...even though just proceeded to walk past the guy. 

Hope he feels good on his unpaid vacation. 

[HarryDoyle]

4 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

So Adams is having such a blast playing with the Raiders he now randomly assaults people while walking off the field. Then posts some lame response on Twitter about how he instantly felt horrible...even though just proceeded to walk past the guy. 

Hope he feels good on his unpaid vacation. 

Not only that, but then "apologizes" by tweeting something to his followers. Unless that cameraman is one of his followers, he didn't apologize.

[MrTPlush]

Adams was charged with assault, so pretty much a given at this point a suspension is coming. Don't think the NFL is going to let a player get away with assaulting a random crewmember on the field like that without missing at least a game. 

Not sure how suspensions work, but he may luck out that his base salary this year is only $3.5mil.

[jerichoholicninja]

7 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Adams was charged with assault, so pretty much a given at this point a suspension is coming. Don't think the NFL is going to let a player get away with assaulting a random crewmember on the field like that without missing at least a game. 

Not sure how suspensions work, but he may luck out that his base salary this year is only $3.5mil.

Alvin Kamara somehow has not been suspended, so who knows.

[MrTPlush]

1 minute ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Alvin Kamara somehow has not been suspended, so who knows.

NFL usually waits for the legal process to play out...but the Adams situation was on an NFL field and I don't think there is any debate on what happened. Due to the fact it happened on NFL time they probably will punish him before he finishes the legal process side of things. 

Kamara will eventually get suspended, if I had to guess. 

[HarryDoyle]

Nothing wrong with trying to make a little coin. Capitalism, baby!

[UpandIn]

9 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Alvin Kamara somehow has not been suspended, so who knows.

I had no idea Kamara started out at Alabama. Sounds like he acted like a clown there as well. 

 

What do they say though? Be who you can afford to be? Or something like that in the NFL that basically means you can get away with stupid **** if you're a stud. 

I think Adams was acting out of character and just reacted...I'm not sure if he should be suspended or not. Seems like his emotions were just running high, lot of adrenaline. 

[CheezWizHed]

On 10/12/2022 at 9:56 PM, UpandIn said:

I had no idea Kamara started out at Alabama. Sounds like he acted like a clown there as well. 

 

What do they say though? Be who you can afford to be? Or something like that in the NFL that basically means you can get away with stupid **** if you're a stud. 

I think Adams was acting out of character and just reacted...I'm not sure if he should be suspended or not. Seems like his emotions were just running high, lot of adrenaline. 

That doesn't make it "OK" to assault someone...

[homer]

Adams should not have shoved the guy. Adams should also not be charged with anything.

[CheezWizHed]

13 minutes ago, homer said:

Adams should not have shoved the guy. Adams should also not be charged with anything.

Why? Maybe the guy was uninjured... but what if he cracked his head open on  the ground.  Would that make what Dante did worse?  What he didn't wasn't an accident and it was certainly unwarranted. 

[UpandIn]

35 minutes ago, homer said:

Adams should not have shoved the guy. Adams should also not be charged with anything.

Agreed...he's running off the field, the guy steps in front of him and he reacts...poorly. 

He's also running through a part of the stadium where players fairly regularly get things thrown on them, he's trying to get off the field. 

But the camera man will get a lawyer and file a lawsuit. Adams will buy him a new wardrobe. 

 

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but what if he cracked his head open on  the ground.

That's not what happened, so I don't really see the point in entertaining hypotheticals. 

[NBBrewFan]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

That doesn't make it "OK" to assault someone...

Well the law is applied disproportionately all the time so legally it is ok to assault someone sometimes.  Are you asking on an ethical/moral basis is it "ok"?

[SeaBass]

2 hours ago, homer said:

Adams should not have shoved the guy. Adams should also not be charged with anything.

I think it's incredibly pathetic that charges were filed. Smacks of envious gotchaism. Dude stood in the path of an emotionally compromised athlete. If the photographer is ok putting themself in that situation to get a great picture I can't fault them but to file charges because the ferocious tiger you just blatantly irritated bites you, you have to look in the mirror and accept some responsibility too.

[areacodes]

2 hours ago, SeaBass said:

I think it's incredibly pathetic that charges were filed. Smacks of envious gotchaism. Dude stood in the path of an emotionally compromised athlete. If the photographer is ok putting themself in that situation to get a great picture I can't fault them but to file charges because the ferocious tiger you just blatantly irritated bites you, you have to look in the mirror and accept some responsibility too.

Did everybody watch a different incident than I did?  The camera man isn’t really looking at Adams and there was absolutely zero reason for Adams to push him.

Adams acted like a tool and deserves to get suspended by the NFL.  That people are victim-blaming the photographer? Ridiculous. Even if I don’t agree with getting charged with assault (though only a misdemeanor) it was 100% preventable if Adams had even one ounce of composure after losing a football game.

[SeaBass]

1 hour ago, areacodes said:

Did everybody watch a different incident than I did?  The camera man isn’t really looking at Adams and there was absolutely zero reason for Adams to push him.

Adams acted like a tool and deserves to get suspended by the NFL.  That people are victim-blaming the photographer? Ridiculous. Even if I don’t agree with getting charged with assault (though only a misdemeanor) it was 100% preventable if Adams had even one ounce of composure after losing a football game.

I don't disagree, a suspension, if it happens, doesn't feel like an overreaction. As long as it's only one game.

I wasn't talking about that though, I'm talking about Adams being charged with a crime, misdemeanor or not. In that lens no, I don't feel any remorse over criticizing the photographer. He felt the need to get the police involved. I've had worse falls tripping over my own two feet.

Edit: This just occurred to me, If it comes out the guy's equipment was damaged and this is the way he recovers the lost value of that damage that's a different story. Perhaps Davante has a chance to make it right and the guy drops the charges. That's literally the only scenario where this makes sense.

[CheezWizHed]

5 hours ago, NBBrewFan said:

Well the law is applied disproportionately all the time so legally it is ok to assault someone sometimes.  Are you asking on an ethical/moral basis is it "ok"?

I had originally quoted and highlighted this comment: Seems like his emotions were just running high, lot of adrenaline.

If that was all it took to justify it, no one would ever be convicted of of anything. 

I guess I don't get people justifying what he did.  Was it malicious? No.  Is this normal behavior for him? No (as far as his public appearances have been in the past anyway).  But that doesn't make what he did right.  

I can't see a lawsuit gaining much, but there is a reason there are laws against it.

[areacodes]

36 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

I don't disagree, a suspension, if it happens, doesn't feel like an overreaction. As long as it's only one game.

I wasn't talking about that though, I'm talking about Adams being charged with a crime, misdemeanor or not. In that lens no, I don't feel any remorse over criticizing the photographer. He felt the need to get the police involved. I've had worse falls tripping over my own two feet.

Edit: This just occurred to me, If it comes out the guy's equipment was damaged and this is the way he recovers the lost value of that damage that's a different story. Perhaps Davante has a chance to make it right and the guy drops the charges. That's literally the only scenario where this makes sense.

So, you would be okay if somebody came into your work and pushed you to the ground for no reason other than you happened to walk in front of him? Seems like a legit thing to charge somebody with assault for and was once again completely avoidable by Adams if he wasn’t being a jackwagon.

I really don’t understand why people seem to be giving Adams a pass for his behavior or criticizing the photographer. 

[NBBrewFan]

14 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I had originally quoted and highlighted this comment: Seems like his emotions were just running high, lot of adrenaline.

If that was all it took to justify it, no one would ever be convicted of of anything. 

I guess I don't get people justifying what he did.  Was it malicious? No.  Is this normal behavior for him? No (as far as his public appearances have been in the past anyway).  But that doesn't make what he did right.  

I can't see a lawsuit gaining much, but there is a reason there are laws against it.

Well I agree with much of this.  It seems we are judging the person and not the action.  Plenty of very decent people do / act in very bad ways, but that doesn't make what they did any less serious.  I also don't buy into the outcome as a measure of culpability.  So what if he wasn't hurt, the action that is objectionable is pushing someone simply because they are in your way.  Whether that person falls into a pile of feathers/pillows or a pile of broken glass is irrelevant to the infraction.  It's as silly as saying it's ok to fire a gun through your front door every time someone rings the doorbell.  Sure you may often miss hitting anything, but is it reasonable to do that?  Is it only unreasonable when someone gets hit? No, it's the initial act that is unreasonable.  

 

13 hours ago, areacodes said:

I really don’t understand why people seem to be giving Adams a pass for his behavior or criticizing the photographer. 

This is an NFL game where 90%+ of their revenue is based on televising the game to as large an audience as possible including through the use of live video and photo images. That package of entertainment has allowed the owners and players to enjoy record revenues and salaries. While the players may be the stars of this production, all the associated personnel are the various support staff that make their success possible. I don't see this as any different than Christian Bale or any other actor going off on the staff during a filming, except instead of a verbal confrontation it was physical. It really does make the star look like an ass, but there are always going to be a vocal group who support the star. As then I expect the Studio/NFL to just ignore it and hope the situation dies.

[SeaBass]

On 10/14/2022 at 9:37 PM, areacodes said:

So, you would be okay if somebody came into your work and pushed you to the ground for no reason other than you happened to walk in front of him? Seems like a legit thing to charge somebody with assault for and was once again completely avoidable by Adams if he wasn’t being a jackwagon.

I really don’t understand why people seem to be giving Adams a pass for his behavior or criticizing the photographer. 

I think you're overreacting.

This wasn't premeditated, Adams doesn't have a history of animosity against the guy. These two people crossed paths while one of them was angry and frustrated.

Nobody was murdered, nobody was hurt. In your scenario with these same factors hell no I don't press actual criminal charges against a co-worker I have no other history of any animosity just because I fell down and was unharmed. THAT would be ridiculous.

[areacodes]

1 hour ago, SeaBass said:

I think you're overreacting.

This wasn't premeditated, Adams doesn't have a history of animosity against the guy. These two people crossed paths while one of them was angry and frustrated.

Nobody was murdered, nobody was hurt. In your scenario with these same factors hell no I don't press actual criminal charges against a co-worker I have no other history of any animosity just because I fell down and was unharmed. THAT would be ridiculous.

Not sure where there is any overreaction on my part as I already mentioned that I wasn’t sure about the charges.  However, it is legit if somebody decides to press charges for assault in that situation - there doesn’t need to be premeditation or for somebody to be seriously hurt for assault.

So based on your comments, you are totally cool with a coworker coming and just pushing you down for no reason because he’s angry about something you had nothing to do with and you happened to walk in front of him? Not asking about pressing charges and never did.

The characterization of the situation where this is somehow the cameraman’s fault and the pass people are giving to Adams is what I don’t understand. Just because he was frustrated and upset over losing a football game, it is fine for him to push somebody to the ground who is just trying to walk somewhere while at work? The cameraman didn’t just accidentally fall down - the only reason that happened is because of Adams.

[HarryDoyle]

The NFC is is incredibly weak this year. Both the Bucs and Niners lose to inferior teams as well as the Packers. The Vikings look like they could be the best team in the conference. (Throws up a little in my mouth)

[yourout]

Quite a turnaround for the NFC east.

Probably the best division in the NFL right now.

[MrTPlush]

Mike McCarthy just went for it on 4th down and maybe half a yard on his own 35 down 14-0. Rushed to run the play and tried passing (it failed).

The worst part…in real time it looked like they easily got the 1st down on the 3rd down try. He could have thrown the challenge flag and 100% would have won the challenge. Instead he took zero time to check and see if they had gotten the first down that was worthy of a challenge.

Luckily for him the Eagles on managed a field goal…but wow. What on earth?

[HarryDoyle]

So is Nathaniel Hackett going to hack it past 2022?